Trump and the Stock Markets

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » December 27, 2018, 2:53 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote:
December 27, 2018, 1:56 pm
. . .

the market is still down 4,000 from October . . .
Duh.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by newtovillagelife » December 27, 2018, 4:29 pm

If the moron(POTUS) would keep his mouth shut, things might improve.

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by sometimewoodworker » December 27, 2018, 6:08 pm

Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 2:53 pm
sometimewoodworker wrote:
December 27, 2018, 1:56 pm
. . .

the market is still down 4,000 from October . . .
Duh.
So do explain why a fall of over 5,000 the last thousand from the 22nd of December, caused by Trump and his Treasury Secretary which then is reduced to only a 4,000 point fall is some kind of amazing achievement
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » December 27, 2018, 7:06 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote:
December 27, 2018, 6:08 pm
Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 2:53 pm
sometimewoodworker wrote:
December 27, 2018, 1:56 pm
. . .

the market is still down 4,000 from October . . .
Duh.
So do explain why a fall of over 5,000 the last thousand from the 22nd of December, caused by Trump and his Treasury Secretary which then is reduced to only a 4,000 point fall is some kind of amazing achievement
Please point out where I said it was an amazing achievement -- other than largest ever one-day surge.

I have been consistent in showing how the market drivers of the economy affect the stock market. I did the very same in my post.

You're blinded by your hate for Trump.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Udon Map » December 27, 2018, 7:24 pm

Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 12:55 pm
Udon Map wrote:
December 27, 2018, 12:20 pm
So while your enthusiasm is nice to see, let's stick with the facts as told by the numbers, and not spin things to suit your desired narrative.
I have reported facts of the day, and my enthusiasm is for that alone.

You have played "what if." As all Trump Haters do.
Not at all. You've cherry-picked facts and presented them as evidence that Trump is doing a great job. I merely suggested that there's another way of viewing those same facts. I haven't challenged the accuracy of the facts you presented.
Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 1:00 pm
Udon Map wrote:
December 27, 2018, 12:20 pm
The DJIA (the average that was up more than 1,000 points), was up 4.98% for the day. Good, yes, but hardly the best one day rise in history. Here are just a few of the ones that better December 26, 2018 by more than double:

● October 13, 2008, up 11%
● October 28, 2008, up nearly 11%
● October 21, 1987, up 10.15%

and there are more.
I posted a NUMBER, not a percentage.
Indeed, you did. I don't dispute your facts; they're accurate. I did point out, however, that the absolute numbers aren't really significant. It's the percentages that really matter. Simple, basic math.
Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 1:07 pm
Udon Map wrote:
December 27, 2018, 12:20 pm
But if the statistics are coming from MasterCard, this increase could just as easily translate into a huge increase in consumer debt, far from a positive indicator for the economy.
Consumers don't acquire debt during the holidays unless they are optimistic. Go back and look at the greatly reduced spending during the holidays when consumer sentiment was not high.
Completely agree. It is an indicator that consumers are optimistic. Do you disagree with the proposition that a large increase in consumer debt is likely detrimental?

Udon Map wrote:
December 27, 2018, 12:20 pm
So while your enthusiasm is nice to see, let's stick with the facts as told by the numbers, and not spin things to suit your desired narrative.
Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 1:07 pm
And just exactly what the hell did you do?

1. Insinuated that I did not post facts.
No, I never challenged the factual accuracy of anything in your post. I did, however, question the significance of those facts.
Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 1:07 pm
2. Compared percentage increases to numeric increases.
Exactly. As I said, it's basic math. The significance of the numerical increase is less and less as the base number increases.
Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 1:07 pm
3. Completely ignored the fact that consumers don't automatically spend during the holidays -- debt or not.
Again, I don't dispute your facts. However, the level of household/consumer debt is significant for the health of the economy; and if the increased spending translates into tons of additional consumer debt, that's going to be a real problem.
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December 27, 2018, 1:07 pm
You're full of bullshiggity, UM. You're pulling "what ifs" out the air to suit your narrative. Yes, you are.
No, not at all. We don't know what happened to consumer debt during the holiday season, and won't for a while.

I see that you, as usual, seem to be intolerant of people/ideas that are not in agreement with yours, and resort to name-calling and the like. IMO our single biggest problem now is the lack of ability to engage in civil conversations with people with whom we disagree. Calling me a Trump hater may make you feel better, but it does little to advance the civil exchange of ideas and opinions which is essential to a democracy.

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by sometimewoodworker » December 27, 2018, 7:32 pm

Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 7:06 pm
sometimewoodworker wrote:
December 27, 2018, 6:08 pm
Lone Star wrote:
December 27, 2018, 2:53 pm
sometimewoodworker wrote:
December 27, 2018, 1:56 pm
. . .

the market is still down 4,000 from October . . .
Duh.
So do explain why a fall of over 5,000 the last thousand from the 22nd of December, caused by Trump and his Treasury Secretary which then is reduced to only a 4,000 point fall is some kind of amazing achievement
Please point out where I said it was an amazing achievement -- other than largest ever one-day surge.

I have been consistent in showing how the market drivers of the economy affect the stock market. I did the very same in my post.

You're blinded by your hate for Trump.
I don't hate the petulant idiot how can you hate a stupid boastful child?
I hate his total destruction of respect that most had for the US, making it the least trusted powerful nation. His destruction of the the truth, 7,000 plus lies in 700 days, most of them stupid aggrandisement often instantly provable as lies. I hate that he has made the office of the president a laughing stock. I hate that so many people in a supposedly well educated country can be so badly manipulated that they can somehow be persuaded that all his lies are truth and that the truth is a lie.

Your post
Largest NUMERIC gains in the US stock market.

TOP FIVE
1 - 2018-12-26 - +1,086.25 FACT
2 - 2008-10-13 - +936.42
3 - 2008-10-28 - +889.35
4 - 2018-03-26 - +669.40
5 - 2015-08-26 - +619.07
Suggested that it was an achievement rather than a moderate correction
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » December 27, 2018, 7:51 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote:
December 27, 2018, 7:32 pm

Your post
Largest NUMERIC gains in the US stock market.

TOP FIVE
1 - 2018-12-26 - +1,086.25 FACT
2 - 2008-10-13 - +936.42
3 - 2008-10-28 - +889.35
4 - 2018-03-26 - +669.40
5 - 2015-08-26 - +619.07
Suggested that it was an achievement rather than a moderate correction
I was responding to the obfuscator based on his attempt to win an argument that I wasn't making.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » December 27, 2018, 8:09 pm

Udon Map wrote:
December 27, 2018, 7:24 pm
Not at all. You've cherry-picked facts and presented them as evidence that Trump is doing a great job. I merely suggested that there's another way of viewing those same facts. I haven't challenged the accuracy of the facts you presented.
There is only one way to observe facts. I presented facts. You presented "what ifs" with nothing to back it up. Just another of your assumptions based on a maybe.
I did point out, however, that the absolute numbers aren't really significant. It's the percentages that really matter. Simple, basic math.
In simple basic math, percentages might be irrelevant. A 100% increase of 1 is equal to 2.

A 1,000 point increase in the market is still 1,000 points -- no matter what math game YOU choose to play.
Do you disagree with the proposition that a large increase in consumer debt is likely detrimental?
Creating an argument that wasn't made -- again.
... let's stick with the facts as told by the numbers, and not spin things to suit your desired narrative.
My numbers were correct and factual.
No, not at all. We don't know what happened to consumer debt during the holiday season, and won't for a while.
But you're assuming it's debt that cannot be paid off. Some people pay off their balances monthly. I do. I'm not going to pretend that I know what others are doing with their balances.
I see that you, as usual, seem to be intolerant of people/ideas that are not in agreement with yours, and resort to name-calling and the like. IMO our single biggest problem now is the lack of ability to engage in civil conversations with people with whom we disagree. Calling me a Trump hater may make you feel better, but it does little to advance the civil exchange of ideas and opinions which is essential to a democracy.
My post was all factual. You chose to try to mischaracterize it as spinning things to suit my narrative. I'm not going to sit here and let you "spin" your narrative and make up arguments over claims that I never made. I posted facts.

You're entitled to your opinions. I'll spare your feelings next time and will only respond to your posts in the future if they contain facts to back up your opinions. Otherwise, they're the opinions to which you are entitled.

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » December 28, 2018, 4:47 pm

The following is another in a continuing series explaining the disconnect between the US stock market and the US economy: Main Street vs Wall Street.

Trump's MAGAnomics doctrine has created a disconnect between Main Street and Wall Street. He has done this through his "America First" stance -- foreign and domestic. The disconnect may or may not have been intentional, but it is there, and it works.

This disconnect has separated the US economy from dependency on global markets and the economies of other countries This disconnect has not helped Wall Street favorably, but Main Street has been impacted very favorably. This is why the MAGA economy continues to produce results and decent to good to excellent numbers even though the stock market and global markets are skittish and volatile. The jobs and wage increases have provided much of this underpinning of Main Street, which spurs consumer/worker optimism. This is why the economy continues to chug along despite stock market fluctuations.

For decades, Wall Street and big business invested overseas due to the high corporate taxes in the US, which was not viewed as business-friendly due to massive amounts of regulations and taxation. Those investments generated products that were detached from the US economy and none of those overseas investments by companies enabled them to bring profits home inexpensively -- until Trump. They were double-taxed at an exorbitant rate. Many of those US businesses overseas are now repatriating foreign profits, and that added capital is helping to expand Main Street.

This disconnect -- which was not occurring during the tenure of previous presidents -- explains how the stock market grew under Obama. However, the economy was poor or flat -- with less than 2% annual GDP growth being the best indicator of the health of an economy. With Obama, there were millions more out of the work force, millions more on food stamps, counted part-time and contract jobs in the unemployment numbers, etc. Those weaknesses are exactly why GDP did not take off under Obama. Main Street was suffering. Global Wall Street still moved upward.

When Trump cut off the worship at the globalist altar and focused on America and Joe Lunchbox, Main Street began to directly gain from from the US economy.

Retail and Consumer Purchasing and Optimism are three of the largest drivers of the US economy. They affect both the GDP and the stock market in a big way. If the numbers in the US economy continue to perform well, and the stock market continues to be volatile, then it is easy to see that something else is driving the stock market to that volatility. The stock market and Wall Street are still global, which is volatile. The US economy is America First -- strong and still growing. Hence, the disconnect. An under-performing or volatile stock market may affect consumer confidence/optimism, but it's easy to see that the stock market does not drive the US economy.

White House Council of Economic Advisers Chairman Kevin Hassett explains the upside risks of the economy vs downsize risks of the market.





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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by newtovillagelife » December 29, 2018, 12:31 pm

So the MORON (POTUS) is now talking about closing the southern border and reneging on his GREAT USMC trade deal that he just made. What a loser, this will destroy any little credibility the US has. Kinda think China would be stupid to agree on anything the US has to offer. And yes the MORON will crash the stock market....

Can't he learn, didn't he go to the best Business school? He is just an uneducated mouthpiece.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by newtovillagelife » December 29, 2018, 12:44 pm

newtovillagelife wrote:
December 29, 2018, 12:31 pm
So the MORON (POTUS) is now talking about closing the southern border and reneging on his GREAT USMC trade deal that he just made. What a loser, this will destroy any little credibility the US has. Kinda think China would be stupid to agree on anything the US has to offer. And yes the MORON will crash the stock market....

Can't he learn, didn't he go to the best Business school? He is just an ignorant mouthpiece.
Is this how a MASTER deal maker operates????? Or just an ignorant schoolyard BULLY.

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Stantheman » December 29, 2018, 10:45 pm

newtovillagelife wrote:
December 29, 2018, 12:31 pm
So the MORON (POTUS) is now talking about closing the southern border and reneging on his GREAT USMC trade deal that he just made. What a loser, this will destroy any little credibility the US has. Kinda think China would be stupid to agree on anything the US has to offer. And yes the MORON will crash the stock market....

Can't he learn, didn't he go to the best Business school? He is just an uneducated mouthpiece.
Dought very much if he actually went to the school, he probably just bought his way in and out.

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

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National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow

Summarizes the December jobs report, outlook for the US economy, the Fed and China.

There is continued mention of the disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street.

Under the economic growth conditions and inflation less than 1.5%, Main Street continues to fuel itself.

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by glalt » January 5, 2019, 9:41 am

You rabid democrats must be proud now. Lizzy Warren will eliminate the stock market confusion. She wants to nationalize big corporations and guarantee jobs. Her latest idea is for the government to start manufacturing drugs to get the price down. Higher education and medical care will be free to all. Unfortunately it appears that she has no idea how the government is going to pay for all these benefits. She makes Bernie Sanders look like a conservative republican.

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » January 5, 2019, 1:25 pm

glalt wrote:
January 5, 2019, 9:41 am
You rabid democrats must be proud now. Lizzy Warren will eliminate the stock market confusion. She wants to nationalize big corporations and guarantee jobs. Her latest idea is for the government to start manufacturing drugs to get the price down. Higher education and medical care will be free to all. Unfortunately it appears that she has no idea how the government is going to pay for all these benefits. She makes Bernie Sanders look like a conservative republican.
Yes, today's Democrats are communists.

That idiot I call Oc-Co Loco, after all of the positive gains for Main Street over 2 years, wants to increase the federal income tax rate to 70%. If stupid could fly, Oc-Co Loco would be a jet. But it will never clear the Senate anyway.


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And Lizzie Warren. What a schizo nutbag.
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