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Post by GT93 » April 11, 2015, 2:51 pm

old timer wrote:Maybe OT should post something "against the rules". That normally gets UM into gear PDQ. Could get banned though :-k Already been warned about that.

OT............... \:D/
Don't do that OT. 747man and your friends would miss your lively posts if you were compelled to take a rest.

Interesting thread. Personally I like the map being a bit crazy ...


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Post by trubrit » April 11, 2015, 4:07 pm

BobHelm wrote:

Banning people for not obeying the Forum rules is in the remit of the Moderation Team OT.
I am more than happy to institute a ban if you feel in need a rest... :D
As this wasn't listed as a sponsors topic I presume robust debate and expression is not outside any rules so all this talk about banning anyone is total nonsense. It's obvious to me that UM has cocked up, possibly lost some of his own money if he followed his own advise, so as he doesn't seem to be available ,it makes sense to me to lock it until he has a chance to explain and apologise to members, then it can be deleted permanently. I am sure the actual sponsor wouldn't mind getting his money back, he might need it . :-"
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Post by BobHelm » April 11, 2015, 4:13 pm

The remark about banning was quite clearly directed at old timer, who indicated that he would be happy to break Forum rules in order to get a response.

I have no idea concerning the origination of this thread. As far as I am aware the only person who does know is Paul, or an appointed agent of him.
Hence it would seem ridiculous to continue to ask questions until the person who can answer them is here to do so.

That being the case I will take your advice & lock the thread..

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Post by UM-Tech » April 12, 2015, 12:56 am

With the owner out of country at the moment, and having read all of the links posted by members, I have taken the UFUN banner DOWN until further notice.

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Post by Udon Map » April 12, 2015, 1:27 am

I am, indeed, out of the country at the moment. Just got on and saw what's been going on, both in the thread and in the news.

First, let me respond to the comments about my having posted the initial post in this thread. That does not mean that I endorse this sponsor, or any other sponsor for which we do this. Making posts, particularly first posts, is something which we have always done when sponsors request it. You'll find that this is far from the only thread where we've done that. So, once this sponsor signed up and asked me to put the first post up for him, I was happy to do it. We will continue that practice for any sponsor.

We do not evaluate the truth of the ads we host; nor do we evaluate the business practices of the sponsors. To do so would be an impossible task. Imagine trying to verify whether a particular restaurant really had the best burgers in Udon, if it so claimed. When we find out that there is a fraudulent sponsor, we remove his advertising. We have removed UFUN's advertising because of the substantial doubt at this time, even though the investigation is apparently ongoing. The local person who sponsored the ads for UFUN is a reputable person in Udon who operates another business, also a sponsor, which has been patronized by a number of falangs in Udon who love the service he provides and feel that he provides a high quality service at a reasonable price. For obvious reasons, I won't identify him here.

Until this situation sorts itself out, the UFUN advertising will remain suspended. I will leave this thread open for the sharing of additional information as it becomes available, and for reasonable and civil discussion of UFUN. Obviously, if the conversation starts veering off into the uncivil or unreasonable, I will reconsider the wisdom of leaving the thread open.

If anyone here has any questions, please feel free to send them to Udon Map by PM, or by email to [email protected].

As more information comes out, we will continue to evaluate UM's policy regarding UFUN and make adjustments as we deem necessary.

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Post by Drunk Monkey » April 12, 2015, 1:40 am

Udon Map wrote:The local person who sponsored the ads for UFUN is a reputable person in Udon who operates another business, also a sponsor, which has been patronized by a number of falangs in Udon who love the service he provides and feel that he provides a high quality service at a reasonable price. For obvious reasons, I won't identify him here.
Personally i dont give a monkeys bottom who sponsored the ad for UFUN however it appears now all sponsors of UM are under the microscope as to wether they are involved ,,,,,who decided if this person / business is/was reputable ? .. or just another bullshitter .. come on this is IMO a serious issue for all involved the UM forum itself , Sponsors and members and cant be fobbed off with such bla bla bla ......

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Post by Udon Map » April 12, 2015, 2:09 am

Drunk Monkey wrote:... who decided if this person / business is/was reputable ?
No one. That's the point. Based on reports of numerous other people over the past couple of years, his other business is both honest and reputable. We don't evaluate potential sponsors to see if they are reputable. Way too difficult. We've also had reports/complaints of businesses being fraudulent or otherwise dishonest; but when we look into it, we find that the complaint is a one-off from a disgruntled customer. We try to walk a line on this.

Anyone who wants to be a sponsor can. If information subsequently becomes available to us suggesting that the sponsor is questionable, or is not what it appears to be, or is dishonest in dealing with people, or is a scam, or ..., we remove the advertising, as we have done here. This is not the first time we have done this; and I expect that it will not be the last.

Drunk Monkey wrote:... come on this is IMO a serious issue for all involved the UM forum itself, ...
I quite agree with you. That's why the advertising has been removed; and that's why we remove the advertising of any sponsor in a similar position. The same applies to Classified listings, too, where we have removed ads which are fraudulent or otherwise dishonest and will continue to do so.

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Post by Drunk Monkey » April 12, 2015, 2:23 am

Paul can you confirm who sucked UM into this deal ... ie UM sponsorship ...could help others in the future tho it seems the BIB are rounding up the perps and bullshitters as we type .....

I would suggest Umap does not open the first post of any new sponsor after this debacle .. surely if a sponsor is willing to pay then they should be prepared to post and promote their bizz isnt that the whole point .. and where would UM be with out sponsors love em or hate em THEY DO MAKE THIS FORUM VIABLE .
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Post by waanjai » April 12, 2015, 2:48 am

In the link that was posted on the main page of UM yesterday there was a reference to: UdonUfun.
Obviously:
http://www.udonufun.com
There was a companion Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/udonufun/.
That wa still active yesterday according to Google:
UdonUfun - UdonUfun added 5 new photos. - Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/udonufun/.../330963103...
UdonUfun added 5 new photos. ... UdonUfun added 5 new photos. Yesterday at 2:12am ·. UdonUfun's photo. Like · Comment ...

Both disappeared in the last hours. Somone on the run. :razz:
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Post by old timer » April 12, 2015, 2:59 am

OT says put the advertising subscriptions UNFUN have paid UM behind any one of the advertisers bars here on UM (could draw straws) so members can be compensated with free drinks for UNFUN trying to rip them off. :guiness: Burp!

OT............ \:D/

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Post by GT93 » April 12, 2015, 3:08 am

Well, I hope some posters have managed to untwist their own knickers. It's not as if Richard Nixon is running udonmap.
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Post by wazza » April 12, 2015, 8:31 am

old timer wrote:OT says put the advertising subscriptions UNFUN have paid UM behind any one of the advertisers bars here on UM (could draw straws) so members can be compensated with free drinks for UNFUN trying to rip them off. :guiness: Burp!

OT............ \:D/
but perhaps paid in UFUN coins ??

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Post by timmy » April 12, 2015, 8:42 am

wazza wrote:
old timer wrote:OT says put the advertising subscriptions UNFUN have paid UM behind any one of the advertisers bars here on UM (could draw straws) so members can be compensated with free drinks for UNFUN trying to rip them off. :guiness: Burp!

OT............ \:D/
but perhaps paid in UFUN coins ??

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leave ARCHA out of this , at least with archa you get in the bottle what it says
on the label .... [-X

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Post by wazza » April 12, 2015, 8:52 am

I would be careful if a kiwi tried to pay with these or others ...

It might sound like - I bit these coins will pay for my fush n chups

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Post by merchant seaman » April 12, 2015, 8:57 am

It seems when a new sponsor joins Udon Map the first post written by Udon Map says " Udon Map would like to welcome XYZ company," or words to that effect followed by a link to the new sponsor. In the case of UFUN the OP appeared to be written by Udon Map endorsing UFUN.
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Post by trubrit » April 12, 2015, 12:33 pm

merchant seaman wrote:It seems when a new sponsor joins Udon Map the first post written by Udon Map says " Udon Map would like to welcome XYZ company," or words to that effect followed by a link to the new sponsor. In the case of UFUN the OP appeared to be written by Udon Map endorsing UFUN.
Precisely, no mention of it being a sponsor but definitely appearing to be the writing and therefore recommendation of UM. This was very deceptive , whether intentional or not only time will tell .Of course we don't expect you to vet every new sponsor but please stick to the , I thought , established procedure of indicating it is someone trying to sell us something so we can use our own common sense to judge the product. I think in this instance you have done your own, and our forums credibililty tremendous harm by not doing so .However you obviously don't realise that and instead of apologising you appear to be trying to justify your mistake, if indeed mistake it was.?
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Post by mac1966 » April 12, 2015, 12:54 pm

Have to agree With ms and trubrit, this was either a big mistake or a con by udonmap.

Instead of trying to justify your error please apologise.

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Post by GT93 » April 12, 2015, 1:05 pm

A con by udonmap? A big mistake? Not on my planet. If you want to think a shyster runs udonmap, then I guess you will.

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Post by Udon Map » April 12, 2015, 8:56 pm

OK, I'd like to respond to some of the posts here.

Let's take the easy one first. I have not invested anything in UFUN, nor would I. It's not the type of investment I prefer, -- even if it were legit, I have no interest in currency arbitrage, which is essentially what UFUN would have been if it were legit.

As you know and have pointed out, we normally indicate sponsor threads by including the word "Sponsor" in the thread title. It was entirely my oversight that that did not occur with UFUN. There are lots of reasons (broken foot, trip to Bangkok, couple of hospital visits, trip to U.S., U.S. business required a huge amount of attention over the past few weeks), but no excuse. I should have done it and did not. I apologize for that and will be more attentive to it in the future.

No, trubrit, I wasn't trying to justify anything. I was trying to explain to the readers what happened. More information often leads to increased understanding of a situation. As I said, I have invested nothing in UFUN.

I think that it's an interesting and good idea that I indicate when I make a post on behalf of a sponsor. (Yes, there are people who are computer illiterate and ask UM to do that for them.) How would you all prefer that I do that? Some sponsors don't like the "Udon Map Welcomes XXX as a Sponsor" intro. One approach would be to put at the end of such a post something like, "Posted by Udon Map on behalf of and at the request of the Sponsor" in a different color. I'm certainly open to other suggestions, too.

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Post by trubrit » April 12, 2015, 9:35 pm

Thank you UM for clearing that up, as far as the future to prevent further misunderstanding just simply putting sponsor in the topic title would suffice for us to know it was an advert not a personal recommendation, who composed it doesn't really matter in my book .Perhaps this whole sad saga can now be put to bed .
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