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Get rid of Automatic and Semi aoto guns now

Post by Doodoo » March 21, 2019, 5:34 pm

Now here is New Zealand which has a constitutional monarchy system of government, and the chief of state is Queen Elizabeth II. The Government that ACTS and does something NOW not wasting their time but dealing with the issue now

Automatic and semiautomatic weapons need to be GONE and they will do that

Bravo for New Zealand



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Post by vlad » March 21, 2019, 7:09 pm

Most literal thinking. People are the same mind set as you DooDoo Automatics and semi Assault rifles should be where they should be, in an Army armoury not for civilian use.lin a home.

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Post by GT93 » March 22, 2019, 1:17 am

Yes, we should have got rid of these weapons years ago. The proposed changes still need to get through the NZ Parliament but that's not expected to be a problem. Firearms haven't until recently been a problem in NZ. We usually have fewer than 10 homicides a year from guns.

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Post by TJ » March 22, 2019, 3:56 am

After Multiple Reports About New Zealanders Turning In Guns, Guess How Many Actually Did It?

Following reports that a flood of New Zealand gun owners have been voluntarily surrendering their firearms in the wake of last Friday's Christchurch mosque attack that left 50 dead, the numbers are in on how many Kiwis actually handed over their weapons.

Out of an estimated 1.2 million registered guns,New Zealand police report that as of Tuesday night, 37 firearms have been surrendered nationwide, according to BuzzFeed.

No accounting was provided of how many people owned those guns, the types of firearms, or where they were surrendered.

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Post by vlad » March 22, 2019, 4:09 am

It doesn't matter how many were handed in at least there attempting and making an attempt instead of hearing the old it's our right to bear arms. Who feels the need to have an Assault rifle in there home ??

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Post by jackspratt » March 22, 2019, 9:21 am

Out of an estimated 1.2 million registered guns,New Zealand police report that as of Tuesday night, 37 firearms have been surrendered nationwide, according to BuzzFeed.
That probably has something to do with the fact that a government "buyback" system (à la Australia 20 years ago) has been announced.

Any sensible person would wait until they can get a few dollars for their weapon(s) as they turn them in. Australia bought back 650,00+ in 1996. \:D/

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Post by Armyvet » March 22, 2019, 10:49 am

There are not words enough to say how utterly insane this is. Creating thousands of instant felons from innocent citizens and it isn't going to solve the problem at all.

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Post by GT93 » March 22, 2019, 12:14 pm

NZ's firearms supporters use NRA material:

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/ ... 516hw.html

If there was evidence that giving a semi-automatic to every person in NZ would reduce the risk of spree killing atrocities and the number of homicides involving firearms, NZ would be doing just that. We aren't that keen for a repeat.

I think there's a concern that Australia's homicidal maniacs and also the loons in the Middle East will have seen what can be done in NZ so the government wants to act quickly.

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Post by 86Tiger » March 22, 2019, 2:44 pm

GT93 wrote:
March 22, 2019, 12:14 pm


.......I think there's a concern that Australia's homicidal maniacs and also the loons in the Middle East will have seen what can be done in NZ so the government wants to act quickly.


So I am sure trucks will be banned next, remember France. And knives, UK is now seeing the horrors of knives. And acid, don't forget the carnage of acid attacks. Let's ban it all. It is for our own good and for certain those willing to take a life will be law abiding in doing so......

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Post by RLTrader » March 22, 2019, 4:53 pm

False Flag works almost every time. Strange that they got the legislation done in Six days. Dollars to Donuts that was the 1st step in their false flag list, started many months ago, one would guess.
and no wonder they don't want you to see the video's
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Post by jackspratt » March 22, 2019, 5:25 pm

There's (at least) 50 people who won't be waking up, so enough of your conspiracy nonsense. [-X

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Post by parrot » March 22, 2019, 5:38 pm

"And knives, UK is now seeing the horrors of knives." And just imagine if those responsible (sic) had guns instead!

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Post by Jing Jing » March 22, 2019, 5:49 pm

There is always a work around to the governments plan. It is called a “Ghost Gun” and I am sure the black market will be only too happy to supply these guns for those that desire a semi auto.

https://youtu.be/BTojV_NqWCA

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Post by vlad » March 22, 2019, 6:08 pm

Anyone found to have 1 obviously crushed and the perp heavily fined 3 convictions there's your cell for 6 months easy.

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Post by marjamlew » March 22, 2019, 6:24 pm

An Australian terrorist went to New Zealand and slaughtered 50 innocent people, in part because he couldn't get his hands on military style weapons in Australia. New Zealand is a civilised country. What choice does the NZ government have but to ban military style weapons?
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Post by Essex » March 29, 2019, 10:57 am

Whenever these discussions come up, after another atrocity, the old right to arms 2nd amendment is trotted out.

The second amendment was dated 1794.

Guns at that time were necessary in the USA for a number of reasons, there was no standing army, militias were a protection against foreign invaders, there was no police force and there was a big issue of Indian attacks. Plus no grocers stores so animals were hunted for food. Guns were muzzle loaders with it being impossible to fire more than 4 rounds a minute using a lead ball that had a range of about 50 meters.

How on earth can that 2nd Amendment stand up as a right to carry an assault rifle?

There is a powerful standing army, no need for local militias
There is a well functioning police force
No Indian raiding parties
Plenty of supermarkets with fresh meat.

If you like hunting, you don't need an AK47 the shred bambi. So many fatuous arguments about self defence, women able to protect themselves (over 330,000 were raped at gunpoint in USA in 2017). America, the rest of the world shakes it's head at the idiocy of thinking there is any sense in retaining an amendment designed for a the needs of different world more than 230 years ago.
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Post by Lone Star » March 29, 2019, 11:40 am

Essex wrote:
March 29, 2019, 10:57 am
Whenever these discussions come up, after another atrocity, the old right to arms 2nd amendment is trotted out.

The second amendment was dated 1794.

. . .
There's a process for amending the US Constitution. If the Americans want to change it, they have that ability. Until that happens, any discussion about 1794 or hunting or semiautomatic weapons is like pi55ing up a rope.

Since there are over 20 Amendments in place already, amending the Constitution is not impossible. Apparently, Americans don't want to give up their guns.
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Post by Doodoo » March 29, 2019, 11:57 am

Essex
let the USA continue on their path and have more guns
Its just a form of Birth Control at the other end

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Post by Jing Jing » March 29, 2019, 2:19 pm

The percentage of people killed by guns in the US in 2018 is0.0044 The gun suicide rate is about double that number.

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Post by Essex » March 29, 2019, 6:17 pm

Lone Star wrote:
March 29, 2019, 11:40 am
Essex wrote:
March 29, 2019, 10:57 am
Whenever these discussions come up, after another atrocity, the old right to arms 2nd amendment is trotted out.

The second amendment was dated 1794.

. . .
There's a process for amending the US Constitution. If the Americans want to change it, they have that ability. Until that happens, any discussion about 1794 or hunting or semiautomatic weapons is like pi55ing up a rope.

Since there are over 20 Amendments in place already, amending the Constitution is not impossible. Apparently, Americans don't want to give up their guns.
I could not agree with you more, having lived in Texas for several years, I hear you loud and clear.

I kinda think the law should be rational, should deal with issues on their merit, be framed by fearless legislators. It doesn't happen a lot in any nations, not just America, but it disturbs me when I see innocents being slaughtered anywhere when it can be prevented.

A lone maniac with a 1794 muzzle loader cannot be successful in an attempt to commit a mass slaughter. For that they need weapons either automatic or semi automatic with a large capacity magazines. You can have guns, in fact in Australia, gun ownership is significantly greater than it was in 1996 when such weapons were banned. It is not about gun rights, it is about gun rights for appropriate weapons in the hands of responsible citizens.

So retain the 2nd amendment for what it is worth, but without going to amend the constitution, bylaws can be introduced to stop maniacs having a gun, and restricting gun ownership to fit for purpose'' weapons. AK47's and AR16's are not appropriate weapons.

The NRA argue fatuously that gun restrictions are the thin end of the wedge and the government is seeking to take away rights. Well the legislation in Australia has eliminated mass killings, while increasing gun ownership significantly over more than 20 years.

In that time, around 800,000 Americans have been killed with guns with mass slaughters being an almost daily occurrence, there have been zero mass killings in Australia over the same period.

The 800,000 who were killed, must look back from where ever they are now, and go "wow''. This is 100% emotional and cultural and 0% rational. I think my point Lone Star is just that, supposedly rational arguments are put forward to justify the annual slaughter, when in truth there are no arguments that pass in the most basic rational scrutiny.
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