The above posts, inter alia, would indicate you are easily confused, Dd.
Is electricity going to save us? Dont think so
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EV ownership equates to $17 a gallon: Texas group
An October report by the Texas Public Policy Foundation found that, after accounting for all of the hidden costs involved in owning an EV, that price becomes much more significant than an internal combustion engine vehicle.
The group's report adds up the costs of government subsidies, charging equipment and the added strain on the electric grid, claiming that the "true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline."
When ICE owners pay for a gallon of gasoline, the report says, they are paying for the "entire infrastructure to refine, transport and market that gasoline."
An October report by the Texas Public Policy Foundation found that, after accounting for all of the hidden costs involved in owning an EV, that price becomes much more significant than an internal combustion engine vehicle.
The group's report adds up the costs of government subsidies, charging equipment and the added strain on the electric grid, claiming that the "true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline."
When ICE owners pay for a gallon of gasoline, the report says, they are paying for the "entire infrastructure to refine, transport and market that gasoline."
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Yes, but even if this is true, I don't think that the point of EVs is to save money. I think that the point is that there is a finite amount of petroleum available and an infinite amount of electricity.Doodoo wrote: ↑November 26, 2023, 11:34 amEV ownership equates to $17 a gallon: Texas group
An October report by the Texas Public Policy Foundation found that, after accounting for all of the hidden costs involved in owning an EV, that price becomes much more significant than an internal combustion engine vehicle.
The group's report adds up the costs of government subsidies, charging equipment and the added strain on the electric grid, claiming that the "true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline."
When ICE owners pay for a gallon of gasoline, the report says, they are paying for the "entire infrastructure to refine, transport and market that gasoline."
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FMD, Dd - how about a bit of transparency in your more loony posts.
https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehi ... curve-cost
An October report by the Texas Public Policy Foundation found that, after accounting for all of the hidden costs involved in owning an EV, that price becomes much more significant than an internal combustion engine vehicle.
The foundation is a conservative think tank that according to 2012 tax filings was funded predominantly by Exxon Mobil, Chevron and the Koch brothers. The organization, according to the New York Times, has been attempting for years to promote fossil fuels while inciting a pullback in America's transition to renewable energy.
Re: Is electricity going to save us? Dont think so
While I concur with some comments, it is plain that EVS ARE HERRE TO STAy, however luckily for most of the human race science has a way of showing us how to make sustainable fuels , quicker and cheaper, with less invasive infrastructure, batteries mare evolving at a pace never before seen, to prolong the length of journeys and quicken the recharging process.
This transition is paionful, expensive and is often proving that although the power segment is more environmentally friendly, other factors are the opposite, tyre wear, weight of vehicles , cost of replacement batteries many other factors which make the new technology more expensive .
Before with older carsd, a full service, placement of some parts and a respray that used vehicle could travel for years. Now with EVs, apart from normal wear and tear, Battery life left is the question many cannot answer, so in fact an old EV is dead money cannot sell it.
This transition is paionful, expensive and is often proving that although the power segment is more environmentally friendly, other factors are the opposite, tyre wear, weight of vehicles , cost of replacement batteries many other factors which make the new technology more expensive .
Before with older carsd, a full service, placement of some parts and a respray that used vehicle could travel for years. Now with EVs, apart from normal wear and tear, Battery life left is the question many cannot answer, so in fact an old EV is dead money cannot sell it.
Re: Is electricity going to save us? Dont think so
Energy Facts:
1.A Statistical Review of World Energy in 2022, showed that the primary energy consumption in Thailand in 2021 amounting to 5.11 Exajoules and that this was dominated by Oil = 44%, followed by Natural Gas = 33.1% and then Coal = 15.85% with a distant second last Renewables = 6.25% and lastly Hydroelectricity = 0.78%.
2.Thailand Imports its fossil fuels (Oil and Coal) from United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Australia & Indonesia and hydropower from Laos, so Thailand is by no means self sufficient in its energy needs. From what I read Thailand's needs to the tune of 15 % percent of the Country's energy (by value of imports).
All those in Thailand who advocate reduction of Fossil Fuels, ban Coal and are pro "Stop Oil", should stop and think, how they would keep the "Lights On" in Thailand, if it were not for the fossil fuels, not to mention, taking time to understand the reality of where they live and what the people of Thailand can afford in both the present and future.
Expats in Thailand, should have time to think rationally, whilst sitting back in enjoying a lifestyle in Thailand that they cannot afford elsewhere.
One should be grateful for one has, where one is (lifestyle) and what helps one afford it.
pipoz4444
1.A Statistical Review of World Energy in 2022, showed that the primary energy consumption in Thailand in 2021 amounting to 5.11 Exajoules and that this was dominated by Oil = 44%, followed by Natural Gas = 33.1% and then Coal = 15.85% with a distant second last Renewables = 6.25% and lastly Hydroelectricity = 0.78%.
2.Thailand Imports its fossil fuels (Oil and Coal) from United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Australia & Indonesia and hydropower from Laos, so Thailand is by no means self sufficient in its energy needs. From what I read Thailand's needs to the tune of 15 % percent of the Country's energy (by value of imports).
All those in Thailand who advocate reduction of Fossil Fuels, ban Coal and are pro "Stop Oil", should stop and think, how they would keep the "Lights On" in Thailand, if it were not for the fossil fuels, not to mention, taking time to understand the reality of where they live and what the people of Thailand can afford in both the present and future.
Expats in Thailand, should have time to think rationally, whilst sitting back in enjoying a lifestyle in Thailand that they cannot afford elsewhere.
One should be grateful for one has, where one is (lifestyle) and what helps one afford it.
pipoz4444
That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind.
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I live upcountry in the boonies of Loei province. I have been surprised by the number of electric scooters on the roads. Many more electric scooters than 4 wheel vehicles.jackspratt wrote: ↑May 28, 2023, 7:54 pmWhy would you quote stats from 20 months ago, in what is, after all, a very fast moving business?
And WTF is the relevance of motorcycle registrations?
I would say that Thailand like other Countries aint got a hope in H__l to get to electric dominancyLeading the charge toward a cleaner future, Norway hit a new record in 2022, as nearly four of every five cars sold were electric. According to the latest registration date, Norway is well on its way to becoming the first nation to end gas-powered car sales by 2025
https://electrek.co/2023/01/02/norway-h ... e-in-2022/
As a side note; over the past couple of years I see many solar panel setups. The vast majority of the farms with bore holes are using solar power to power the water pumps. My wife has two solar powered bore holes on her farms. The electric grid up here is far behind most of the country so solar up here is the only option available. We recently had a bore hole drilled at our home and the control panel powers the pump with either solar panels or grid electric. No batteries. Neither farm bore holes have batteries. The electronics have become cheaper and more advanced. The largest solar farm water pump system has been running for several years trouble free.
The recent bore hole at the house was drilled with some sort of new state of the art air machine. The bore hole is 60 meters deep and it drilled very fast. Cost of the bore hole was 23,000 baht.The solar panels, pump and control system plus labor was 35,000 baht. The boring machinery had two separate units. The first truck had a huge diesel powered air compressor, The second truck had the boring machine.
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No rush, no worries.
"Supply/demand predictions for oil & gas through to 2050 show little decline.
Demand for oil and natural gas remained very robust throughout 2023. Oil and natural gas consumption both increased as economies grew beyond pre-Covid levels. In the past, there were many who thought crude oil supply would peak because the world would run out of resources, and those who thought consumption would peak because the world would quickly shun fossil fuels in favour of cleaner fuels. You can still find columnists writing that peak consumption of oil has now arrived; it makes great headlines, we can all relax, but I just don’t see the proof."
https://anzmex.org/energy-matters-vol-45-a-cold-shower/
"Supply/demand predictions for oil & gas through to 2050 show little decline.
Demand for oil and natural gas remained very robust throughout 2023. Oil and natural gas consumption both increased as economies grew beyond pre-Covid levels. In the past, there were many who thought crude oil supply would peak because the world would run out of resources, and those who thought consumption would peak because the world would quickly shun fossil fuels in favour of cleaner fuels. You can still find columnists writing that peak consumption of oil has now arrived; it makes great headlines, we can all relax, but I just don’t see the proof."
https://anzmex.org/energy-matters-vol-45-a-cold-shower/
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~Reinhold Messner~
'You don't have to be afraid of everything you don't understand'
~Louise Perica~
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They are saying around 70,000 people attended the climate change folly in Doha. I wonder how they got there, damn hypocrits.
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Shock... Horror... The UN chief is upset that some entities may be negotiating oil and gas deals during COP23.
I checked the rules and there's no regulations that say you cannot talk business while the climate-change jamboree is underway. None whatsoever.
This just in... some entities are trading arms with Hamas and the IDF during a truce.
I checked the rules and there's no regulations that say you cannot talk business while the climate-change jamboree is underway. None whatsoever.
This just in... some entities are trading arms with Hamas and the IDF during a truce.
'Don't waste your words on people who deserve your silence'
~Reinhold Messner~
'You don't have to be afraid of everything you don't understand'
~Louise Perica~
~Reinhold Messner~
'You don't have to be afraid of everything you don't understand'
~Louise Perica~
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Years ago bought a stock called Credo Petroleum. The company was quite small and never had much growth. They were planning for the future by buying many proven oil deposit leases. They never had the finances to expand drilling operations. The stock price of the stock just kept dropping. Then after several years, oil experts determined that oil was finite and their leases became very valuable. The stock price doubled and tripled. I sold and made a tidy profit.
Then a different group of experts determined that oil deposits would last for an indefinite long number of years. In fact huge new oil deposits were being discovered all around the world That stock dropped down even lower than it had ever been. I believe that the world will never run out of oil but alternative energy will eventually replace fossil oil. Hydrogen is the biggest source of energy on earth, BUT it is still way too expensive to process. A lot of natural gas, methane, is already being used. Abandoned land fills crate a lot of methane as well as huge manure pits. For the near future electric is the main hope. Solar panels and new battery technology are rapidly gaining ground. Clean safe nuclear power is also coming in the near future.
Then a different group of experts determined that oil deposits would last for an indefinite long number of years. In fact huge new oil deposits were being discovered all around the world That stock dropped down even lower than it had ever been. I believe that the world will never run out of oil but alternative energy will eventually replace fossil oil. Hydrogen is the biggest source of energy on earth, BUT it is still way too expensive to process. A lot of natural gas, methane, is already being used. Abandoned land fills crate a lot of methane as well as huge manure pits. For the near future electric is the main hope. Solar panels and new battery technology are rapidly gaining ground. Clean safe nuclear power is also coming in the near future.
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the large pig farm about 30km south of Udon off Rte 2 has manure pit gas capture ballons in place. Supposedly the gas runs generators providing power for the whole place. https://www.google.com/maps/@17.2166625 ... ?entry=ttu
Dave
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Cities have other ways to manufacture collect process and supply waste gas to produce power
https://www.epa.gov/lmop/basic-informat ... ndfill-gas
https://www.epa.gov/lmop/basic-informat ... ndfill-gas
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then we can wonder if the odiferous Udon Thani dump out past Nong Sai on the east side of the city has implemented a landfill and methan recovery system..
Dave
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Unfortunately landfill gas collection doesn’t solve the problems that have been created to allow this industry to exist, ie the high cost of getting the waste to landfill and the time it takes to achieve its goals. On the other hand Anaerobic digestion plants take the waste directly and dispose of it rapidly to either electricity or natural gas creating an end byproduct of high grade fertilizer. Thousands of tonnes of food scraps and organic waste per year can be diverted from expensive landfill at a savings to ratepayers, councils and industry by just one of these proven plants.
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While renewable energy is awesome, it's not always a 100% reliable solution. Weather can be a real party pooper sometimes. Bringing in those backup units is a practical move to keep the lights on when Mother Nature doesn't cooperate.