Judging People

Post by **semperfiguy** » February 3, 2011, 3:04 pm

[quote="DermotC"]From time to time we are all guilty of Judging people and to a lesser extent maybe business premises that we may or may not have visited. When i was living in the States in the 90's this song came out. I find that when I feel that Ive Judged someone, maybe unfairly, I go back to this song. It reminds me that none of us are perfect.

Yes Dermot, I would enjoy meeting your pastor friend from the States. Perhaps I can help you to discern if he's the real deal. I have always enjoyed reading your posts and replies. You seem intent on always taking the "high road" morally, and that's an honorable thing. However, if you will allow me, I'm a little confused by some of your comments in your original post on this thread and the following comment that appears on one of your subsequent replies. As follows:
I dont think im going to have alot in common with him from what Ive heard. Are you perhaps being a little too judgemental with that statement? So let me ask a few questions here! These things that you have heard...have you heard them from him or from others...about him? Do your alleged differences have anything to do with his personality/character, or more to do with his viewpoints on doctrine...Catholicism versus Protestantism. If the latter be the case, then perhaps you can evaluate your own fluency in the history of the church and your knowledge of the Word of God. Perhaps one or the other of you has superior knowledge of both, and your differences are simply rooted in ignorance. Many a man has died over the generations for such a great cause as "the truth" and sincerely believed in what they were fighting for...and they were sincerely wrong!

This has been what we call a teachable moment. Thanks for letting me use your example. You're right...we are not all perfect, but we can certainly learn to be a little more discerning and a little less hasty to draw conclusions. My comments above are not conclusions, but suggestions. Just something to think about!

God Bless and PM me when the pastor comes in town. SFG

Post by **Aardvark** » February 3, 2011, 3:52 pm

Sorry Simpleguy, but most of us believe in "Mother Nature" and not your comments about a higher being

by all means have your beliefs but please don't force them on the rest of us

Post by **DermotC** » February 3, 2011, 4:48 pm

Hey SFG,

Oh I havent actually met him yet but i think our differences will be more that he likes to talk about God and religion ALOT and I dont in particular. My MRs's sister told me he'll probably try to convert me. Ive no problem with Protestants as believe it or not My Mrs is one even though she is Thai! Having said that I do believe I belong to the True Christian Church, The Catholic one. Even though I dont practice, I appreciate the morality the Church thought me as a young man and I try to live by those values. I have my own personal relationship with God, for Instance I dont pray in the typical sense, rather I have conversations in my mind with God, sometimes they actually come out in words if im worried about something or stressed! I Know for a fact that both you and him will have alot to talk about as you both quote scripture alot, or so Ive been told about him and obviously Ive seen with you.

Despite Aardvarks comments above(Whom i think is a decent sort by the way) I dont think you try to force it down our throats. I understand you get comfort it Gods word and I completely understand. Actually Id be quite interested in meeting you to have a chat. You seem to have led an interesting life, Obviously a Retired Marine. I met alot of Marines in the Middle East and I never met one I didnt like! Also to be honest I met alot of Pastors there and didnt meet one I didnt like too. On the other Hand Ive met many Priests from my own Church That I couldnt stand. There is good and bad people everywhere and it doesnt seem to come down to what religion you are or what type of Christian.

Anyway Ill be in touch SFG and I think the Pastor is here the 23rd of Feb for a couple weeks. I know he did some missionary work in my wifes village last time he was here but I think this time hes just here to see his girlfriend.

God Bless

Dermot

Post by **KHONDAHM** » February 3, 2011, 5:43 pm

One of my all-time favorite songs, too. See, I just knew I would find something redeeming about you DermotC!

OT: Matthew 6, the part before the Lord's Prayer, says pray only in your closet, don't go to church, and if you evangelize, you are a heathen. True stuff direct from Jesus.

Post by **DermotC** » February 3, 2011, 6:05 pm

KHONDAHM wrote:One of my all-time favorite songs, too. See, I just knew I would find something redeeming about you DermotC!

OT: Matthew 6, the part before the Lord's Prayer, says pray only in your closet, don't go to church, and if you evangelize, you are a heathen. True stuff direct from Jesus.

Cheers KD! lol and I like that quote from the Bible, nice one!

Post by **BobHelm** » February 3, 2011, 6:37 pm

I think it should be NT not OT..

1 "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. 2 "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. 5 "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. 7 "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him

Unless you prefer an individual James version

1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Post by **KHONDAHM** » February 3, 2011, 7:28 pm

@Bobhelm
Yep, that is the section although it seems there are so many versions that nobody knows which is actually the correct translation from the original Hebrew text. But wait...the New Testament is a do-over, isn't it? Somebody flubbed up the original translation of the Old Testament, or did some publicist decide that God slaughtering innocents every other page was not so good for PR and so did a complete re-write with different books?

Versus 7 and 8 pretty much blows Catholics out of the water, huh? So much for Hail Marys...

Wouldn't it be nice if the most important character in the book had a background story after the manger, but before he started walking the earth like the fake-me-out Asian character Caine in the TV show "Kung Fu"???

No offense intended towards anyone. Just some of the things that make one go "Hmmmmm.." :-"

Post by **Khun Paul** » February 3, 2011, 7:39 pm

if we wish to talk about religion, I remember once when I was in the Forces , just before a small fracas in Aden in 1967,
( oh god doesn't time fly) well I was a young lad and naturally apprehensive,I went to see the local padre and explained my thoughts.
he went and we walked up along the training fields and he stopped and looked up and said, " no matter what you believe just look up a speak out your thoughts, because no matter who or what you believe, it is your belief that gives you the strength". I relied "really", he said, " yes really, men build places of worship, temples, mosques,chirches even vast churches etc, but why because out here you just look up and you see the vastness of it all."

Now you may think this is daft, but in reality it stood me in good stead in many a tough situation and although many subscribe to one faith or another and many a war has also been fought over beliefs,people who try to talk me into one religion or the other and many have tried over the years, I think about what the padre said to me, why, , we as humans need to believe in something, we are unable to understand why we are here, many do not care, some worry about it.
He we are for as lonh as fate deals us the cards then we shuffle off, to where no-one knows, it is the one question we can never answer, as when we go we are unable to tell anyone what is there, if anything.

Post by **ting_tong** » February 3, 2011, 9:36 pm

DermotC wrote:TT,

You are a self confessed pervert, I notice you didnt post that comment that you wrote from your thread!

This thread was originally started to support a business owner who's unjustly getting as hard time from people who have never even been to his establishment.
My comments on your behaviour is not Judging, its commenting on what you have put down for everyone to read previously on UM. Im surprised you dont seem to know the difference between commenting and judging!

LOL, looks like the "business' is for sale now, give em 6 months maybe more figuring the doing business in Thailands "opening door loss" (have to pay the staff) and "not opening the door loss" (just lose the rent money).Change the name and bad location = financial loss, just a matter of time, seen em come seen em go

Post by **DermotC** » February 3, 2011, 10:27 pm

ting_tong wrote:
DermotC wrote:TT,

You are a self confessed pervert, I notice you didnt post that comment that you wrote from your thread!

This thread was originally started to support a business owner who's unjustly getting as hard time from people who have never even been to his establishment.
My comments on your behaviour is not Judging, its commenting on what you have put down for everyone to read previously on UM. Im surprised you dont seem to know the difference between commenting and judging!

LOL, looks like the "business' is for sale now, give em 6 months maybe more figuring the doing business in Thailands "opening door loss" (have to pay the staff) and "not opening the door loss" (just lose the rent money).Change the name and bad location = financial loss, just a matter of time, seen em come seen em go

Your a day late and a dollar short......as usual ting tong. The bar has been up for sale before the owner made any changes to it. Also if you have been here so long and seen them come and go then why dont you know that most bars in Udon are permanently for sale?

You also seem to be taking joy in somebody else's current misfortune. Thats spells out exactly what type of person you are. And Bob helm Im surprised at you being on terms with some who takes delight in someones current hardships!

Post by **semperfiguy** » February 3, 2011, 11:13 pm

Man...you guys are killin' me with your ludicrous interpretation of Scripture. You have just fulfilled the following Proverb:

Proverbs 26:9
Like a thornbush in a drunkard’s hand is a proverb in the mouth of a fool.

Even the devil knows the Scriptures, but he purposely misquotes in order to pervert it's meaning. If you're going to quote Jesus, then quote Him word for word. If you're going to interpret Scripture then don't try it with intellectual discernment because the Word of God can only be spiritually discerned. It is Holy Spirit inspired and can only be discerned by the Spirit of God dwelling within a man's heart. If ye be void of the Spirit, then you're wasting your time...you'll never get it, and you'll wind up fulfilling only the Proverb written above.

I understand your cynicism! I was a cynic for the first 40 years of my life. I crossed the Pacific Ocean 50 times and traveled 19 countries...running from God. I was alcoholic, drug addicted, hooked on pornography and practically lived in every red light district in SE Asia for 10 long years. I made millions of dollars and lost it all. I tried for years to give up my addictions and couldn't. On August 5, 1988 I came home after a three day binge while living in Manila and climbed over the balcony railing of my 12th floor condo, determined to jump and kill myself. At that very moment Jesus met me at my point of need, and the Holy Spirit compelled me to come back onto the balcony and receive Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. That morning I got off the throne of my own life and submitted my life to the Lordship of Christ. In due season the Lord completely delivered me from all of my addictions. And until this day, as I meditate on the The Scriptures, He continues to clean up my heart in order to conform me to the very character and image of Christ.

So for those of you who ask me not to speak about the things of God...I'm sorry, but I can't help it! The love of God compells me to tell you the truth. I'm just one beggar trying to tell another beggar where to find bread! You don't have to eat it if you don't want to. That's between you and God. I only speak of things that I have personally seen and heard, tasted and touched. If I heard the good news about a 50% discount on a 42" LCD TV in Udon, and I told you on this forum, you would kiss me on the neck. But I tell you the Good News about the greatest event in human history which made a way for man to have his sins forgiven and receive eternal life...and you reject me. But that's OK! Jesus said in His Word that His messengers would be rejected, but not to worry because you're not rejecting me...you're rejecting HIM. Thank you Lord for taking that burden off of me and carrying it all by yourself.

God Bless you all, and thanks for hearing me out!

Post by **ting_tong** » February 3, 2011, 11:25 pm

DermotC wrote:Ting Tong, I know you really want to make this thread about yourself but Im afraid this is where I park chatting with you. Take care and happy trails!

I threw a rock at a dog when I was a kid, the dog ran off but it had to look back at who threw the rock :-"

Dont need to question Bob's "judgement" of a persons character, he is a typical Brittish Gentleman, he will have nothing bad to say about someone unless they are truely bad.

Misfortune = loss of money
bad planning in business = loss of money
the guy that bought the said "business" made a bad decision, and planned his investment unwisely (I still have my dollar, maybe a day late)

The new owners of City Lodge re-named their business back to City Lodge, they are smart business people.

"Your a day late and a dollar short" you mean "you're", "your" pretains to possesion or ownership of something

Just remember, you started an attack on me (cast the first stone), I did nothing to you or said anything bad about you..........LOL

Post by **harmonyudon** » February 4, 2011, 1:22 am

Ting Tong,

lets sing my favorite song ....see my signature

Post by **jimboLV** » February 4, 2011, 7:33 am

Good idea Harms. And the next time you meet up with him (prowling Adulyadet Road), you could shower him with flower petals and spray rose water in the air. That should loosen up his hard heart.

Post by **DermotC** » February 4, 2011, 11:51 am

You seem to have a serious problem with anger and letting things go Ting Tong. You need to listen to SFG more and JimboLV a bit more. That crap between us was ages ago. This is a different thread and more than a month later and you still havent let it go. Obviously I have hit a serious nerve with you as you are still trying to make this thread about yourself which confirms what I said before about you and being self important.

You need to take a chill pill man or you are going to have a heart attack. Indeed by correcting my english etc you are just show what a total **** you actually are. Relax, have a beer or go smoke some ganja, whatever your thing is best you do it and calm down! It must be hard carring around that chip on your shoulder all day!

Post by **ting_tong** » February 4, 2011, 12:51 pm

ARF ARF ARF!

Post by **DermotC** » February 4, 2011, 1:02 pm

While lying in bed this morning, My Mrs sang this song to me, start to finish. Ive been feeling a bit down the last day or 2 and she came out with this. Maybe if more people could accept love in their hearts they wouldnt feel the need to attack and condemn people they dont even know.

Woops Did what BH told me yesterday but maybe I made a mistake as the first page on this thread seems to have disappeared so here it is

Edit....BH..
You left this bit in
watch?v=
take it out & it works fine Dermot!!

Post by **DermotC** » February 4, 2011, 1:35 pm

Cheers Bob, Good man as always!

Post by **KHONDAHM** » February 4, 2011, 7:08 pm

@DermontC
What is the name of that song and who sings it? That's a great arrangement and choice of instruments with a solid hook and tempo! I'm surprised I've never heard it before. Sht, man, you're gonna make me have to pickpocket your iPod.

Post by **DermotC** » February 4, 2011, 7:23 pm

KHONDAHM wrote:@DermontC
What is the name of that song and who sings it? That's a great arrangement and choice of instruments with a solid hook and tempo! I'm surprised I've never heard it before. Sht, man, you're gonna make me have to pickpocket your iPod.

The name of the band is Travis KD and the name of the song is Sing. I have a serious interest in music. Im not a genre guy, I like lyrics in particular and like bands where they have something to say. Having said that I enjoy listening to Miles Davis and some other Jazz too!

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