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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by noosard » March 25, 2023, 2:46 pm

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Post by Whistler » March 25, 2023, 3:00 pm

Nice graph. Not sure what it means, it certainly does not show changes in water temperatures. Environmental scientists are claiming it is the rapid increase in temperatures that is causing problems on the reef
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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by trekkertony » March 25, 2023, 4:12 pm

Given that the earth has experienced a previous changing climate event and there is evidence that coral will adjust to warming waters by migrating to cooler waters further north and south of the equator. I guess the scientific findings from a report published 11 years ago does not affect the future of the Barrier Reef.

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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by jackspratt » March 25, 2023, 4:21 pm

noosard wrote:
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Meaningless really, in the absence of a reference.

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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by Whistler » March 25, 2023, 7:43 pm

I was just reviewing this thread when it struck me....HOT WATER, are you kidding, somebody said hot water was good for coral!

We have warm water, cool water and freezing water in our oceans, but apart from a few rare volcanic vents, we do not have hot water, that graph is a bit crazy. A common definition of hot water used by plumbers to describe such is 43 degrees Celsius, there is not an ocean in the world anywhere that temperature.

So who made up this chart, certainly not a scientist. Can you tell us the source of this graph noo? Your reference loops back to this thread, where did it originate?
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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by noosard » March 26, 2023, 5:52 am

You just looking at the words hot and cold byt if you lookt the temp in degrees you might be able to figure it out
cold starts at 23 and the hot is 30 the graph it shows where the differnt temps are what the different temps do to growth rate of corals
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Post by Whistler » March 26, 2023, 6:32 am

No it doesn't help, you are obviously avoiding showing the source of this graph, is it because it comes from a controversial study?

Corals vary be location, warmer locations have different species than colder locations. Seeing the study as a whole would help but you are not going to show that will you?
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Post by Whistler » March 26, 2023, 7:57 am

Found it! From Peter Ridd's facebook page.

Of course that is where you sourced it. Highly controversial climate denier who supports your view that the reef is healthy, well that is not a view shared by many at all in the face of so much evidence to the contrary.

Ridd is a physicist with no qualifications in Marine Biology. Frankly the guy is a disgrace to Academia, a fruitcake without peer support. The High Court overturned a wrongful dismissal claim as this individual was his own worst enemy and found his dismissal was justified.

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Post by noosard » April 17, 2023, 3:24 pm

The Courier Mail is reporting that AIMS CEO is worried he may have to cut his workforce unless the Federal government comes up with more cash in the May 9 budget. Don’t be too critical - it is the job of all heads of science organisations to ask for more cash for their workforce.
But all these Reef-science organisations have a huge weapon that other organisations don’t have – The Reef.
AIMS CEO is quoted in the CM as saying that if they do not get the funds, then AIMS cannot “protect . . . the Great Barrier Reef, from the effects of climate change.”
In other words, “Albo, hand over the cash or the Reef gets it.”

But does AIMS really believe that there is anything they can do to affect whether climate change will kill the reef? After all, they have been telling us for years that the world’s coral reefs can only be saved by stopping the burning of fossil fuels.

Let us ignore the fact that AIMS’ own work shows that there was record high coral cover on the GBR in 2022, and that corals grow 20% faster for every degree increase in temperature – so it looks like the GBR is going to be fine. Thanks to AIMS for doing this good work.

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Post by Whistler » April 17, 2023, 4:36 pm

noosard wrote:
April 17, 2023, 3:24 pm
The Courier Mail is reporting that AIMS CEO is worried he may have to cut his workforce unless the Federal government comes up with more cash in the May 9 budget. Don’t be too critical - it is the job of all heads of science organisations to ask for more cash for their workforce.
But all these Reef-science organisations have a huge weapon that other organisations don’t have – The Reef.
AIMS CEO is quoted in the CM as saying that if they do not get the funds, then AIMS cannot “protect . . . the Great Barrier Reef, from the effects of climate change.”
In other words, “Albo, hand over the cash or the Reef gets it.”

But does AIMS really believe that there is anything they can do to affect whether climate change will kill the reef? After all, they have been telling us for years that the world’s coral reefs can only be saved by stopping the burning of fossil fuels.

Let us ignore the fact that AIMS’ own work shows that there was record high coral cover on the GBR in 2022, and that corals grow 20% faster for every degree increase in temperature – so it looks like the GBR is going to be fine. Thanks to AIMS for doing this good work.
I agree there is little AIMS can do little other than observe and report.

However your post is like a broken record, you claim the reef is recovering and higher temperatures mean faster regrowth, this is based by the your one renegade source AND REFUTED by environmental experts.

Noo, why do you report on what AIMS has stated about finances, while at the same time you 100% refuse to accept their observations? In fact, why do you refuse to back the specialists that report record coral mass bleaching particularly in the Southern portions of the reef?

Every report by AIMS state some coral regeneration in portions of the reef, while other portions of the reef are dying. They also state that some species that are being killed off, it may take 100 years to recover if temperatures drop.

If you have a reputable source for your statements please post it. If all you can report is misinformation from one renegade why bother> Your hero was been dismissed from Thomas Cook University, had that dismissal reviewed by the High Court whose opinion was the dismissal was justified, the same source has no qualifications in Marine or Environmental science.

Why, Why, Why is this ratbag right, and every other qualified body wrong?

A challenge for you. Can you point to one single Marine biologist or environmental scientist who agrees with this ratbag?
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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by noosard » April 17, 2023, 5:34 pm

Whistler wrote:
April 17, 2023, 4:36 pm
noosard wrote:
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Let us ignore the fact that AIMS’ own work shows that there was record high coral cover on the GBR in 2022, and that corals grow 20% faster for every degree increase in temperature – so it looks like the GBR is going to be fine. Thanks to AIMS for doing this good work.





Every report by AIMS state some coral regeneration in portions of the reef, while other portions of the reef are dying. They also state that some species that are being killed off, it may take 100 years to recover if temperatures drop.

100 years where is your proof of this

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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by jackspratt » April 17, 2023, 7:27 pm

You seem to be skirting around the main issue, noos. [-X

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Post by noosard » April 17, 2023, 7:29 pm

Which is AIMS blackmailing the gov for more funding

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Post by jackspratt » April 17, 2023, 8:13 pm

"Blackmail" is a very emotive term, noos.

The sort of thing you would expect from a Murdoch rag.

Oh!, wait ....

ps what is the alternative - just close up shop, and que será, será?

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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by Whistler » April 17, 2023, 9:12 pm

noosard wrote:
April 17, 2023, 5:34 pm
Whistler wrote:
April 17, 2023, 4:36 pm
noosard wrote:
April 17, 2023, 3:24 pm


Let us ignore the fact that AIMS’ own work shows that there was record high coral cover on the GBR in 2022, and that corals grow 20% faster for every degree increase in temperature – so it looks like the GBR is going to be fine. Thanks to AIMS for doing this good work.





Every report by AIMS state some coral regeneration in portions of the reef, while other portions of the reef are dying. They also state that some species that are being killed off, it may take 100 years to recover if temperatures drop.

100 years where is your proof of this
I asked for your sources Noo. but you gave none, you asked for mine, here s just a few, I could give you 50, you cannot give one credible source

https://www.globalseafood.org/advocate/ ... %20Commons.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 180978701/
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Re: Great Barrier Reef

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Whistler wrote:
April 17, 2023, 4:36 pm

A challenge for you. Can you point to one single Marine biologist or environmental scientist who agrees with this ratbag?
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Post by noosard » April 18, 2023, 5:55 am

https://www.globalseafood.org/advocate/ ... %20Commons.

This source is just speculation as 1.5 c wont kill coral off as lots of corals live in hot temps than the GBR

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 180978701/
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Second one is rubbish as well does not say where any reefs have disapppeared or why

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Post by noosard » April 18, 2023, 6:37 am

What is the #1 coral reef in the world?
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1. Great Barrier Reef, Australia. The biggest coral reef in the world, the Great Barrier reef, is also one of the healthiest in the world. It lies in the Coral Sea around 93 miles off the northeastern coast of Queensland, Australia, close to Bundaberg town.Dec 9, 2565 BE

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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by Whistler » April 18, 2023, 9:14 am

noosard wrote:
April 18, 2023, 5:55 am
https://www.globalseafood.org/advocate/ ... %20Commons.

This source is just speculation as 1.5 c wont kill coral off as lots of corals live in hot temps than the GBR

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 180978701/
Second one is rubbish as well does not say where any reefs have disapppeared or why
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Your earlier statement that I refuted was that warmer water accelerated coral growth. So i asked for sources to back your statement

These two quoted references clearly state that warming waters are killing coral reefs, the exact opposite to what you stated.

This subject has been done to death on this forum, hopefully the is the last time you post misinformation about the reef.
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Re: Great Barrier Reef

Post by noosard » April 18, 2023, 10:00 am

Whistler wrote:
March 25, 2023, 3:00 pm
Nice graph. Not sure what it means, it certainly does not show changes in water temperatures. Environmental scientists are claiming it is the rapid increase in temperatures that is causing problems on the reef
Just quote what this rapid temp changes are on the GBR
the graph shows in warmer temps the coral grows faster
shouldn't be too hard to uderstand

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