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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Stantheman » December 24, 2019, 4:49 am

Kenr6583 wrote:
December 24, 2019, 4:29 am
Doodoo wrote:
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Glat thanks for the offerings
"Why would voters want to change to a system that has failed in every country that adopted socialism."


BUT, I tend to disagree One of the reasons is the word used "failed" and its definition. Until that is agreed upon no discussion could begin

Have a look at the following and note some of the Socialist countries I really dont see failure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states
and
https://www.topteny.com/top-10-socialist-countries/
I'm not agreeing with socialism, but apparently socialism is only okay when Trump says it's okay, like all the billions of dollars he passed out to the farmers.
Sorry Kenr, that money to farmers was not socialism, it was vote buying after the Trumpster screwed them over with China tariff spat.



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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Kenr6583 » December 24, 2019, 5:00 am

Stantheman wrote:
December 24, 2019, 4:49 am
Kenr6583 wrote:
December 24, 2019, 4:29 am
Doodoo wrote:
December 23, 2019, 6:02 pm
Glat thanks for the offerings
"Why would voters want to change to a system that has failed in every country that adopted socialism."


BUT, I tend to disagree One of the reasons is the word used "failed" and its definition. Until that is agreed upon no discussion could begin

Have a look at the following and note some of the Socialist countries I really dont see failure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states
and
https://www.topteny.com/top-10-socialist-countries/
I'm not agreeing with socialism, but apparently socialism is only okay when Trump says it's okay, like all the billions of dollars he passed out to the farmers.
Sorry Kenr, that money to farmers was not socialism, it was vote buying after the Trumpster screwed them over with China tariff spat.
My bad, I stand corrected.

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Post by TJ » December 24, 2019, 6:03 am

"Sorry Kenr, that money to farmers was not socialism, it was vote buying after the Trumpster screwed them over with China tariff spat."

Not the whole truth. This year a great many U.S. farmers were impoverished due to uncommonly bad weather, mostly wet and cold, that diminished and destroyed crops. This was major factor in the usual subsidizing of the agriculture sector. I believe that Canada and other nations also had bad yields. This should cause a price rising in grains, soybeans, etc. next year.

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 24, 2019, 6:32 am

TJ wrote:
December 24, 2019, 6:03 am
"Sorry Kenr, that money to farmers was not socialism, it was vote buying after the Trumpster screwed them over with China tariff spat."

Not the whole truth. This year a great many U.S. farmers were impoverished due to uncommonly bad weather, mostly wet and cold, that diminished and destroyed crops. This was major factor in the usual subsidizing of the agriculture sector. I believe that Canada and other nations also had bad yields. This should cause a price rising in grains, soybeans, etc. next year.
That's not what Trump said. That money was from the tariffs that Trump said China paid, but was a lie, one of many. The sad part is most of the money went to the large corporate farms, while the smaller farmers went bankrupt.

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Post by dragonz » December 24, 2019, 6:33 am

tamada wrote:
December 22, 2019, 7:05 pm
dragonz wrote:
December 22, 2019, 11:13 am
You are quite funny . you are the one who hates . you hate democracy and wish to remove a duly elected president because you hate him . I say do not hate and attack someone who was elected by the people but work hard to win the next election but you never trumpers cannot do that because you know he will win again and by all the unjust attacks on him you make sure of that . None as blind as those that will not see.
"But please keep defending this POTUS, the one that attacks 16 year old girls and wives of deceased war heroes, because you are as pathetic as he is."
so now you are saying i attack young girls and heroes wives . how can you accuse me of that .you are obscene
If you had read all the post instead of just mine you would see that the quote ""You want to try some of that 'hate blip cure' stuff yourself?"" was not yours and the answer was for tamada . I do not hate anyone because i dislike their politics including you but you obviously hate me because you think i support trump when in fact i am neutral and just point out where the left is going wrong and that some of the things the left is doing is disgraceful and i do not like it . Nothing to do if i like trump or not if the right did this to obama it would be equally obscene.
From what i see every time a trump supporter on here says something even polite he is immediately obscenely attacked by people like you and therefore do not post anymore so it seem you are majority but sadly only a small minority hate like you thank goodness
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scariest picture of the yearCCVCVCVapture.JPG
Nobody hates anyone here on Udonmap, least of all you with your stated dislike for Trump, Obama, MBS, Iran, Blair and whoever else.

But every time you profess your equanimity, tolerance and understanding, you increasingly pepper it with the cliche libtard, snowflake, left-wing media, never Trumpers and post 'scary pictures', so I'm afraid that you're coming over as just a tad disingenuous.

This blind defense of Trump solely because he was elected POTUS and thus, regardless of anything he says, does or tweets, any and all criticism is monstrously disrespectful? Really? You said it yourself earlier, his tenure will be like a blip in history but that's not a reason for it not to be challenged. Granted, the Democrats (note: no name-calling here) are a hopelessly lost cause and will most assuredly lose in 2020, impeachment or not, but by the same token, so are the Republicans (note: no name-calling here either). Think about it; he was NOT the candidate that the mainstream GOP wanted to nominate for President. The endorsements, especially the ones nearer the end of the caucuses, were given grudgingly when the conservative's own, rather shallow pool of 'real' politicians vaporized. The Senate vote, like the House vote that preceded it, will be along partisan lines and he will walk. It's all too predictable, just like Republican's claiming at each and every chance that is is all fueled by Hillary's sour grapes from 2016. That's all they have? They know the Senate impeachment vote, like the two before it, will have each voter's name clearly stated and on the public record, no anonymity. This provision was written in the statutes to prevent abuse of power and I totally agree with that premise. However, in this instance, when obvious abuse of power and disregard for the Constitution is the fundamental crime, I would wager that an anonymous vote, if ever permitted, would make that two-thirds Senate majority a lot harder to achieve. We only get to see, read and hear the half-a-dozen, hard-core, 'sham trial' and 'witch hunt' callers on the media... any media. Why is that? The Senate is a big house after all and they have a majority, no?

His penchant for name-calling, making up 'alternative facts' and bare-faced lying is somehow regarded by a lot of people as character-defining. Orange is indeed the new black. What is really pissing him off now is, with the delivery of impeachment, his vainglorious need to have the 'perfect' Presidency is shot all to buggery. The House votes to impeach so he demands an instant Senate trial right now! Sorry Donald, this is reality and not reality TV. Now the Democrats decide to hold their fire until the less than confident Republican Senate defines their own ground rules. OMG! Even the poor guy's impeachment isn't going to be perfect!
there you go again slagging me off for things i did not say . The whole point of anything i said is not to hate a person because you do not like him or his politics. I never said i hated any of them . I disliked trump before he was elected because of what he tried to do in scotland but am sure he is not a bad person . bully and bribe the people so he could build his golf course . obama and blair 2 worst leaders ever in my opinion but i am sure the are both good people and did what they thought was best. Hating iran ? i am sure the whole world hates the iranian regime .
No matter what you say he was elected by over 60 million people who would all disagree with you and will be elected by an even larger amount next election so you are saying all these trump supporters are what . stupid . blind?
Respect the office , respect the vote and get on with trying to win the next election without all this hatred and abuse on trump or get beaten by a landslide.
Iran ? I am sure most of the world hate the iranian regime so why criticize me for that i do not understand .
snowflakes libtards are now real words with meanings so why should i not use them ?
LIBTARD
1. an individual, whose thinking process has been
rendered impaired by political correctness and the
failure to understand that people are responsible
for their actions and the world does not owe lazy
or stupid people a living.
SNOWFLAKE
"snowflake" is a term used to describe an overly sensitive person who thinks the world revolves around them.
Snowflakes gasp in horror when they hear an opinion they don't like, and believe they have a right to be protected from anything unpalatable.
Today's generation of sensitive uni students are often labelled snowflakes because they receive "trigger warnings" on books and lectures that might contain upsetting subjects.


Without a doubt libtards and snowflakes are here and on the left

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Kenr6583 » December 24, 2019, 6:57 am

Federal insurance indemnities paid out in 2019 for all crop and livestock totaled $10.5 billion dollars. That's on top of the 12 billion dollars given to Farmers in 2018 and 16 billion dollars give it to Farmers in 2019

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 24, 2019, 7:32 am

The $12 billion and $16 billion was money from tariffs that the consumer had to pay, not China.

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Post by TJ » December 24, 2019, 7:40 am

Now about the impeachment results:
pelosi-xmas-impeach.jpg

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 24, 2019, 9:39 am

Hey trekkertony, there's a few more posts on here that you might want to censor.

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Post by jackspratt » December 24, 2019, 10:08 am

Another definition of "libtard" - this time from an acknowledged source:
What does libtard mean?

Libtard is an insult usually used by conservative trolls online to characterize liberals as stupid.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/libtard/
:-"

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 24, 2019, 10:18 am

jackspratt wrote:
December 24, 2019, 10:08 am
Another definition of "libtard" - this time from an acknowledged source:
What does libtard mean?

Libtard is an insult usually used by conservative trolls online to characterize liberals as stupid.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/libtard/
:-"
Don't know if anybody else noticed, but these far-right extremist can't insult anybody with words that have more than two syllables.

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Post by anefarious1 » December 24, 2019, 1:26 pm

Last 24 hours....

Speaking to supporters at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Florida on Sunday, the president went on a another deranged tangent about his least-favorite renewable energy source, claiming that wind turbines “look like hell,” fill the atmosphere with “tremendous fumes,” and should be put in jail for killing eagles.

Acknowledging that he has “never understood wind,” despite claiming in his next breath to “know windmills very much” thanks to his having “studied it better than anybody I know,” Trump opened his tirade like so:

"They’re manufactured tremendous—if you’re into this—tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint—fumes are spewing into the air. Right? Spewing. Whether it’s in China, Germany, it’s going into the air. It’s our air, their air, everything—right?"

In other words, it’s only a matter of time before Trump starts leading chants to “lock windmills up!” at campaign rallies.

Following that, Trump alerted his audience to the fact that "we have a world, and it is small compared to the entire universe:

"You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything."

Dump supporters must be very proud.

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Post by jackspratt » December 24, 2019, 1:54 pm

anefarious1 wrote:
December 24, 2019, 1:26 pm

Speaking to supporters at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Florida on Sunday, the president went on a another deranged tangent about his least-favorite renewable energy source, claiming that wind turbines “look like hell,” fill the atmosphere with “tremendous fumes,” and should be put in jail for killing eagles.
I believe there is a section of the constitution that covers a president with dementia. It may catch up with him soon.

Pity it doesn't also apply to demented presidents.

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Post by RLTrader » December 24, 2019, 2:19 pm

anefarious1 wrote:
December 24, 2019, 1:26 pm

Speaking to supporters at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Florida on Sunday, the president went on a another deranged tangent about his least-favorite renewable energy source, claiming that wind turbines “look like hell,” fill the atmosphere with “tremendous fumes,” and should be put in jail for killing eagles.
jackspratt wrote:
December 24, 2019, 1:54 pm
I believe there is a section of the constitution that covers a president with dementia. It may catch up with him soon.

Pity it doesn't also apply to demented presidents.
Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution Section 4 ?
Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

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Post by Doodoo » December 24, 2019, 3:10 pm

I really hope that someone has grabbed the movie rights to this fiasco

Fantastic

WHO would be playing MrT???

Will Farrell, George Clooney, Alec Baldwin,
OH If Robin Williams were still alive

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Post by tamada » December 24, 2019, 3:17 pm

^ President Mike Pence? What on earth could possibly go wrong there?

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Post by stattointhailand » December 24, 2019, 3:42 pm

Doodoo wrote:
December 24, 2019, 3:10 pm
I really hope that someone has grabbed the movie rights to this fiasco

Fantastic

WHO would be playing MrT???

Will Farrell, George Clooney, Alec Baldwin,
OH If Robin Williams were still alive
Mr T would have to be played by B A (Bad Attitude) Baracus and Mike Pence by 'Howling Mad' Murdock :-k

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Post by Drunk Monkey » January 6, 2020, 8:44 am

Wasnt sure where to post this so US / world politics .

Interesting youtube vid by UK based activist of Iranian decent .. openly giving his and mist Iranians views on the recent killing of this general .

https://youtu.be/g9irlgzHmvU

Dm
Claret n Blue all way thru .. Up the Iron
L2 Season 19/20 Codheads 0 Scunny 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2qrsItFUug
8 minutes is the point of lift off !!!!!!!

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Post by tamada » January 6, 2020, 10:36 am

Drunk Monkey wrote:
January 6, 2020, 8:44 am
Wasnt sure where to post this so US / world politics .

Interesting youtube vid by UK based activist of Iranian decent .. openly giving his and mist Iranians views on the recent killing of this general .

https://youtu.be/g9irlgzHmvU

Dm
Ineloquent and woefully clueless Iranian emigre wasting bandwidth. Claims that the Shah's regime was liberal and all about political freedom of expression and he only let the constitutional monarchy that he enjoyed become 'slightly more' authoritarian because of some Communist threat. Then touting the Shah's descendants 'regret' at have mishandled their reign while earlier making jibes about the current Iranian state television's heavily orchestrated 'crocodile tears' ? Likens present day Iran to the "eastern blocks of Communists... or Germany in the 1940's... or like the Mafia."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

It was all about Iran's oil back then and nothing, absolutely NOTHING has changed in that regard.

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Post by jackspratt » January 6, 2020, 12:46 pm

For those who may have thought Trump had already reached "peak madness", the events of the past few days should have put paid to that idea. In fact, in the case of this Bloated Orange Narcissist, you start to wonder if there is a peak (or depth).

Surely he wouldn't be putting American and other lives at risk, and happy to further destabilise the Middle East, just to divert attention from the impeachment process ....... would he .......

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