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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » January 8, 2019, 7:56 pm

The market is higher than it was under Obama. That's a fact.

November 8, 2016
Dow: 18,332.74
S&P 500: 2,139.56
Nasdaq: 5,193.49

January 7, 2019
Dow: 23,433.16
S&P 500: 2,531.94
Nasdaq: 6,738.86

Numbers are amazing. 😎

UM, you are ALWAYS entitled to your version of math and your opinion.

Happy 😄 New Year.


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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Udon Map » January 8, 2019, 8:18 pm

Lone Star wrote:
January 8, 2019, 7:56 pm
The market is higher than it was under Obama. That's a fact.
And it's higher than it was under FDR, too. That's a fact. Like your claim, meaningless, but still a fact.

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » January 8, 2019, 9:01 pm

I tried to explain percentages to you the last time. Remember? 100% of 1 would equal 2? Gain of ONE. A 1,000 point gain is 1,000 points no matter how you cut it.

Politifact had an excellent article that showed how Obama's %ages were higher between election day 2008 and Jan 5 of 2010. Trump's %ages were measured from election day 2016 to Jan 5 of 2018.

Obama:
Obama, the Dow increased from 7,949.1 to 10,572 — a rise of 33 percent.
An increase of only 3,000+ points.

Trump:
Starting with Trump’s inauguration, the Dow has risen from 19,827.3 to 25,075.1 -- an increase of 26 percent.

An increase of 5,000+ points.

So keep making that percentage argument that I'm not making. If each point is a $1 investment, the percentage is relative only to the total at the time of the measurement.

If I am fully invested in the DJIA with a mutual fund that is comprised of all of the Dow stocks, my percentage increase may have been 33% under Obama, but that translates to only $3,000.00. Under Trump, even though the percentage was smaller, I made over $2,000.00 MORE with Trump.

The higher the market goes, the percentage gains can be smaller, but DOLLAR GAINS may still be larger.

Let's look at the first two years of Obama vs the first two years with Trump -- from inauguration day to Jan 3/4 of 2011 and 2019 respectively.

Obama:
Jan 19, 2009 Close: 8077
Jan 3, 2011 Close: 11,691
3,614 gain in DOLLARS and 44.7% increase.

Trump:
Jan 19, 2017 Close: 19,732
Jan 4, 2019 Close: 23,433
3,701 gain in DOLLARS, but only 18.7%

Even with the large market decline that occurred in 2018 (losing all of the gains in that year), this shows that percentages are irrelevant if dollar gains are more. You had a 44% increase in your mutual fund under Bayrack in the first two years, but almost $100 LESS in earnings. The numbers in the first two years of both administrations PROVE IT.

You're entitled to continue to make your percentage arguments, and in the future, you'll be playing that percentage argument with someone else. What you are illogically putting forth is similar to someone saying a team won a football game because of their %age of scoring in the red zone instead of the total score.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Udon Map » January 8, 2019, 10:47 pm

Lone Star wrote:
January 8, 2019, 9:01 pm
Let's look at the first two years of Obama vs the first two years with Trump -- from inauguration day to Jan 3/4 of 2011 and 2019 respectively.

Obama:
Jan 19, 2009 Close: 8077
Jan 3, 2011 Close: 11,691
3,614 gain in DOLLARS and 44.7% increase.

Trump:
Jan 19, 2017 Close: 19,732
Jan 4, 2019 Close: 23,433
3,701 gain in DOLLARS, but only 18.7%
Oh, my, -- you really don't get it, do you.

OK, all of the information you have is completely correct. No question. But you're overlooking one small detail. To make the $3,614 gain under Obama, you had to invest $8,077. To make the $3,701 gain under Trump ($87 more than under Obama), you had to invest $19,732. In other words, for the additional $11,655 you invested under Trump, you only made $87 more than you did under Obama.

But, OK, let's use dollars, as you seem to prefer. Say you invested $10,000 at the beginning of each President's term, and let's use the same dates you used.

Under Obama, your investment of $10,000 on January 19, 2009 would have been worth $14,474 two years later, on January 3, 2011.

Under Trump, your investment of $10,000 on January 19, 2017 would have been worth $11,876 two years later, on January 4, 2019.

If you don't get it now, either you really don't understand fundamentals of investing, or you just want to tout Trump as the greatest regardless of the facts. Either way, there's really nothing more for me to say. :-k

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » January 8, 2019, 11:03 pm

Udon Map wrote:
January 8, 2019, 10:47 pm

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Once again, making an argument I'm not making.

First, you make it about percentages, when my argument is about numbers.

Now, you are assigning an arbitrary fixed investment amount at the beginning of each term.

My argument is below, and you agree it is correct.
Obama:
Jan 19, 2009 Close: 8077
Jan 3, 2011 Close: 11,691
3,614 gain in DOLLARS and 44.7% increase.

Trump:
Jan 19, 2017 Close: 19,732
Jan 4, 2019 Close: 23,433
3,701 gain in DOLLARS, but only 18.7%
I get it fine. You are arguing with different parameters each time.
Udon Map wrote:Either way, there's really nothing more for me to say.
Me either.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by papafarang » January 8, 2019, 11:52 pm

you forget UM anything posted by LS that proves to be wrong he will always fall back on "well I did not say it" i'm just posting what other people state. cheap get out :lol:
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » January 9, 2019, 5:50 am

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Yeah, that's STEADY WINNING.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by jackspratt » January 9, 2019, 12:07 pm

Apparently, the previous time when a (far more) important terrorist, bin Laden, was popped under the Democrat and black, President Obama, it was far from STEADY WINNING.
In two or three more trips to the gas station and grocery store, the American people will remember what is really impacting their lives and who isn't doing anything about it except campaigning and patting himself on the back for telling the Special Ops "Go".

PS - I'm not a Republican. I'm an American.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by tamada » January 9, 2019, 2:31 pm

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The crude, exaggerating, stubborn, street brawler from Queens is exactly what America needed to fight the lawless, vile, diabolical and subversive anti-America behavior of Democrats.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » January 9, 2019, 2:59 pm

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December 15, 2018, 5:37 pm
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2. Anyone who cheers for the failure of the US stock market and US economy is wishing doom across all markets worldwide. Remember 2008? One need only look at what small daily declines in the US market do to the stock markets in other countries.
Yes, it is a worldwide economy, and when things are going well for the US and trading partners, there is a good possibility that things will go well for the rest of the world. As I pointed out above in an earlier post, the same is true if things go badly.

Donald Trump had the gonads to tackle another problem that previous administrations kicked down the road. Once again, he made the hard choice to talk and compromise and make a good-faith effort. They don't always work, but at least the effort is there; and there is no malice in his motivation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/europe- ... nings.html

European stocks seen higher as China-US trade talks get extended
Stocks in Europe are set for a higher open on Wednesday morning as investors monitor an unexpected third day of trade talks between China and the U.S.

The FTSE 100 is seen higher by 62 points at 6,923; the DAX 30 is expected to open up by 113 points at 10,916; and the CAC 40 is seen also higher by 39 points at 4,812; according to IG.

In Asia, equity markets rose on the back of news that the U.S. and Chinese officials prolonged their trade talks amid some progress in areas such as energy commodities, Reuters reported. President Donald Trump tweeted “Talks with China are going very well.”
Yes, as long as there is talk and efforts to compromise and peace, that is indeed STEADY WINNING.
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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by Lone Star » January 9, 2019, 3:31 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/us-trad ... build.html

US-China trade talks wrap up in Beijing as hopes of a deal build
Originally scheduled for Monday and Tuesday, the negotiations were extended by a day amid signs of progress on issues including purchases of U.S. farm and energy commodities and increased access to China’s markets.
In what is widely seen as a goodwill gesture, China on Tuesday issued long-awaited approvals for the import of five genetically modified crops, which could boost its purchases of U.S. grains as farmers decide which crops to plant in the spring.

On Monday, Chinese importers made another large purchase of U.S. soybeans, their third in the past month.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » January 9, 2019, 9:53 pm

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STEADY WINNING.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by tamada » January 9, 2019, 11:11 pm

Lone Star wrote:
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Running on empty
The wall is coming: Trump becomes world's worst Game of Thrones fan

The US president has taken to quoting from the biggest TV show on the planet. But he’s utterly missed the point – it’s clear he’s never watched a second

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... hrones-fan

LOL... as Stephen Colbert says, DJT is foiled again by his arch-nemesis.

His mouth!

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » January 9, 2019, 11:15 pm

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Hundreds of memes out there today of Chancy. Hilarious.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

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CHANCY -- just revealing their priority of illegals over citizens.
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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by Lone Star » January 10, 2019, 6:57 am

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Looking very positive right now.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » January 10, 2019, 7:19 am

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More eneMedia bias. Nothing new. GET TRUMP.
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