Will the EU succeed or fail?

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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by Lone Star » March 22, 2019, 3:48 pm

papafarang wrote:
March 22, 2019, 3:34 pm
Lone Star wrote:
March 22, 2019, 2:25 pm
so anyway back to the question . will the EU fail ? simple it has, one country is trying to leave that's failure.
Some folks just can't stay consistent from one month to the next. Quite paradoxical. Cognitive dissonance comes to mind.

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yes maybe it has failed for the British, but the EU is still expanding so for Europeans not a failure.
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So now it has failed only for the British and the EU hasn't failed -- despite "one country is trying to leave that's failure." I see.

It's not about you. It's about your argument being on two sides of it -- and after that is exposed, now trying to be on all sides of it.

First, the EU has failed. Second, it hasn't failed and isn't failing. Third, now the EU has failed only for the British. Quite an evolution.

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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by papafarang » March 22, 2019, 5:20 pm

Lone Star wrote:
March 22, 2019, 3:48 pm
papafarang wrote:
March 22, 2019, 3:34 pm
Lone Star wrote:
March 22, 2019, 2:25 pm
so anyway back to the question . will the EU fail ? simple it has, one country is trying to leave that's failure.
Some folks just can't stay consistent from one month to the next. Quite paradoxical. Cognitive dissonance comes to mind.

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yes maybe it has failed for the British, but the EU is still expanding so for Europeans not a failure.
. . .
So now it has failed only for the British and the EU hasn't failed -- despite "one country is trying to leave that's failure." I see.

It's not about you. It's about your argument being on two sides of it -- and after that is exposed, now trying to be on all sides of it.

First, the EU has failed. Second, it hasn't failed and isn't failing. Third, now the EU has failed only for the British. Quite an evolution.

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exactly right mark, for us Brits it's failed, for Europeans it's not seen the same way.. there is no third.if you read the post and comprehended you might of noticed I said fail in what way ? by what measure ?those were questions i was posing in reply to the previous post . so tell me what mark do you give for success or failure ? , Do you think it's a failure just because I think so ? I was talking to GT ,I never rattled your cage. as I said ,it's more about you being my head cheerleader.
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by Lone Star » March 22, 2019, 5:39 pm

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March 22, 2019, 5:20 pm

. . . for us Brits it's failed, for Europeans it's not seen the same way.. there is no third.if you read the post and comprehended you might of noticed I said fail in what way ? by what measure ? those were questions i was posing in reply to the previous post . so tell me what mark do you give for success or failure ? , Do you think it's a failure just because I think so ? I was talking to GT ,I never rattled your cage. as I said ,it's more about you being my head cheerleader.
So if you're talking to GT, why should I be expected to answer the questions? You're on both sides of your statements again.

I was pointing out your multifaceted position on the EU, and nothing in your post changes its multifaceted content. You're still on 3 sides -- with or without the questions. The totality of your statements, not questions and not you, is what caught my attention.

Cheerleaders cheer FOR something or someone -- to either succeed or fail. I'm certainly not cheering for you and not cheering against you. Not cheering at all in your regard. I don't care about you personally, other than that I hope you have a great, successful life.

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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by papafarang » March 22, 2019, 6:29 pm

"I don't care about you personally" shucks you hurt my feelings :lol: :lol: :lol: , that's what all stalkers say.as I said I was replying to GT. Here's something for you .as you don't seem interested in the subject , unless i'm the subject .

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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by jackspratt » March 22, 2019, 7:41 pm

The above meme omits - (said with mountains of condescension and insincerity):
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Post by Lone Star » March 23, 2019, 7:51 am

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The majority of Europeans say EU leadership is “out of touch” with citizens

Source: Pew Research Center.

The EU seems to be failing many more citizens in many more countries than just the UK.

The highest negatives for the EU occurred most when Europeans were asked about how well the EU was able to deal efficiently with concrete problems.

54% believe the EU to be inefficient, mostly due to the EU’s handling of immigration.
Majorities or pluralities in most nations want fewer immigrants allowed into their country. Many believe that immigrants tend to remain distinct from the broader culture and that immigration increases the risk of terrorism.
In data gathered since 2014, over 1,000 people have been murdered or injured in the EU in violent attacks related to Islamist migrants.

In the survey, Pew found a “strong desire” for less immigration. Italy, Greece and Hungary had the highest percentages of citizens wanting fewer immigrants -- more than 70% in each of those countries.

In a poll conducted in 2018, over 75% of EU citizens wanted better border security. A majority believed that crime and terrorism increased due to immigration, and 57% said that immigration was changing the culture of their countries.

A majority are convinced that most migrants are attracted to the EU by economic and welfare benefits and if those benefits were cut off, migration would slow considerably.

A majority -- 51% to 43% -- believes that the EU is intrusive in the life of its member states. This data explains why many Europeans are supporting populist, pro-sovereignty political parties and movements that reject overbearing EU control.

A large majority -- 62% -- think that Brussels is “out of touch” with the needs of citizens.

Doesn't look as if anyone is very happy. Failing.
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by papafarang » March 23, 2019, 8:07 am

jackspratt wrote:
March 22, 2019, 7:41 pm
The above meme omits - (said with mountains of condescension and insincerity):
Have a great weekend!
i think that was a go at sarcasm ….fail. He seems to extrapolate my feelings towards the EU as being the truth about the EU for everybody. As for being consistent, what has been consistent in the whole Brexit comedy. Obviously the EU is way to big to fail , it's not like any brits want it to fail, can you imagine if it did. there are plenty more countries lined up to join too, and good luck to them . To me the EU will carry on regardless of my thoughts, But us Brits want out. His post wasn't about the EU , he's just a fan of mine .
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by thaiguzzi » March 23, 2019, 10:32 am

papafarang wrote:
March 23, 2019, 8:07 am
jackspratt wrote:
March 22, 2019, 7:41 pm
The above meme omits - (said with mountains of condescension and insincerity):
Have a great weekend!
i think that was a go at sarcasm ….fail. He seems to extrapolate my feelings towards the EU as being the truth about the EU for everybody. As for being consistent, what has been consistent in the whole Brexit comedy. Obviously the EU is way to big to fail , it's not like any brits want it to fail, can you imagine if it did. there are plenty more countries lined up to join too, and good luck to them . To me the EU will carry on regardless of my thoughts, But us Brits want out. His post wasn't about the EU , he's just a fan of mine .
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Post by Lone Star » March 24, 2019, 6:56 am

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More unhappiness with the EU.

Tens of Thousands March Against EU Censorship Regulations

Source: Associated Press

Not new, but it's coming to a head as more and more Europeans realize the censorship that the EU intends to impose upon the Internet in Europe.

DPA News Agency is reporting that over 40,000 people marched in Munich. Thousands of others participated in Berlin, Cologne, Hannover and Hamburg.

Another in a long list of EU FAILS.
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The European Union has bigger problems to deal with than Brexit

Source: The Guardian

Oh my. Big problems.
The next recession will expose the eurozone as a half-baked project in need of leadership

As the clock has ticked down towards Brexit, the state of the UK has attracted even more attention than normal. Every scrap of official data and every survey of business opinion has been pored over by leavers and remainers alike.

Much less attention, understandably enough, has been paid to what is happening in the rest of the European Union, where the recent news has been poor. The frustration of the leaders of the other 27 EU countries towards Theresa May is that Europe has plenty of issues that need addressing, with Brexit not even the most serious of them.

The EU’s biggest problem is that its economic model has aged alongside its population. Europe has plenty of world-class companies but, unlike the US, none of them were set up in the past 25 years. In Europe’s golden age, Volkswagen was a rival to Ford, and Siemens could go toe to toe with General Electric. But there is no European Google, Facebook or Amazon and in the emerging technologies of the fourth Industrial Revolution, such as artificial intelligence, Europe is nowhere.
What?!?!?! This is unbelievable based on the pro-EU crowd claims.
China is making faster progress than Europe in the development of machine learning and has companies that pose a threat to the giants of Silicon Valley. That’s why China rather than Europe is the main target for Donald Trump’s tariff war.

When plans for the euro were being drawn up 30 years ago, the assumption was that the single currency would make the single market work more efficiently and so generate faster growth. It hasn’t happened. The performance of the eurozone countries has got worse not better, but so much political capital has been invested in the monetary union project that there is an unwillingness to accept as much.

A real solution to Europe’s growth problems means fixing the design flaws in monetary union
Three separate events last week highlighted the extent of the economic challenges Europe faces. Firstly, the latest health check on the eurozone economy showed that growth remains chronically weak. Italy is suffering from its fifth recession in two decades, while Germany’s export-dominated economy is being hit hard by the slowdown in the global economy. Germany escaped recession only by the skin of its teeth in the second half of 2018 and early 2019 has seen little improvement. The eurozone as a whole appears to be on course to grow by 0.2% in the first three months of the year, unchanged on the last three months of 2018.

There was a brief period when heavy doses of stimulus from the European Central Bank (ECB) lifted the eurozone’s growth rate. But the impact of zero interest rates and the money-creation process known as quantitative easing (QE) has now worn off. A real solution to Europe’s growth problems means fixing the design flaws in monetary union, something that has been glaringly obvious since the financial crisis of a decade ago.

The lack of a political underpinning to the single currency proved costly back in 2008-09. While the US and the UK moved quickly to cut interest rates and embrace unconventional monetary policies such as QE, it took much longer for the eurozone to crank itself into gear. In part, that was due to the ultra-conservative nature of the ECB, which imported its culture from Germany’s Bundesbank, but it was also due to the fact that there was no real mechanism for taking the sort of speedy decisions made in Washington and London. Like any convoy, the eurozone moved at the speed of its slowest ship.

There were two important consequences of this: it took a lot longer for the eurozone to return to growth; and its banks were left saddled with large quantities of non-performing loans. The Americans socialised the bad debts of the big US banks, which enabled them to start lending again. Europe’s banks remain weak and highly vulnerable to another economic downturn, which is why the second significant event last week was the announcement by two of Germany’s biggest banks – Deutsche and Commerzbank – that they were in merger talks.

Italy has tired of waiting for monetary union to deliver. Its banks are in even worse shape than Germany’s, Rome has no control over monetary policy and its attempts to boost growth by running a bigger budget deficit have fallen foul of Europe’s hardline fiscal rules. Last week, Italy’s government announced it would be the first EU country to take part in China’s Belt and Road initiative – an attempt to link Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Europe with a series of ports, railways, bridges and other infrastructure projects. Italy’s willingness to take part in the attempt to recreate the old silk road reflects its desperation to revive its economy by any means available. It also reflects Europe’s diminished status in the global pecking order.

Emmanuel Macron is convinced the answer to Europe’s economic problems is closer integration. The French president wants the eurozone to have its own finance minister in charge of tax and spending policy for the single currency zone. But for the idea to catch on, Macron needs the support of Germany and Angela Merkel has not been wildly enthusiastic. It’s not hard to see why. German exporters have done well out of monetary union and Merkel knows that German taxpayers would be expected to bankroll spending in poorer eurozone countries.

Macron’s plan has a logic to it. The eurozone is a half-completed project, lacking the political structure that would give it a chance of working. What’s more, if Europe continues to underperform economically, the alternative to closer integration is disintegration. Not immediately, because returning to national currencies or moving to a hard and soft euro, would be fraught with difficulties. Crunch time will only come when the next recession blows in. It might not be all that far away.
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Post by Lone Star » March 27, 2019, 7:17 am

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European rather than UK stocks would suffer more in a no-deal Brexit, fund manager says

Oh my. More bad news for the EU. This time it is if the UK moves on a no-deal Brexit. Such an eventuality would expose the EU even more toward failure.

Source: CNBC
The shares of European firms outside of Britain would suffer more in the event of a poorly executed Brexit, a strategist told CNBC Tuesday.

Speaking to CNBC’s “Squawk Box Europe,” Ralph Jainz, a fund manager at Centricus Asset Management, said a negative Brexit outcome had “for sure” been underpriced by investors.

“European markets are back to where they were in September and October,” he said. “We’ve seen a dramatic deterioration of the macro data since, and Europe as the (U.K.’s) largest trading partner will undoubtedly be negatively impacted (by a bad Brexit) — and after what has been a sensational start to the year for equity markets everywhere, for sure that risk is underpriced.”
Jainz told CNBC the U.K. was one of the most underweighted countries in the world, meaning there was “really interesting value to be had” from shares of domestically-operating firms.
Meanwhile, Francesco Curto, co-head of research at DWS, told CNBC’s “Capital Connection” Tuesday that he also saw value in the U.K. market.
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Curto added that he saw value in the U.K.’s consumer cyclical stocks, as well as in British housebuilders.
I have full and complete confidence in the People of the UK to have a strong, prosperous economy and country outside of the control of the EU.
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Post by magpie73 » March 28, 2019, 1:15 am

shame this shithouse off a government and opposition don't think so tried there hardest to remain in the scabs

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Post by Lone Star » March 29, 2019, 5:31 am

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German Asylum Application Numbers ‘Too High’

Source: Deutsche Welle

Well, the bad judgement that has affected all of the EU and Germany is finally admitted by the head of Germany's Federal Office for Migration (BAMF).

Since 2014, there have been over 200,000 migrants who entered Germany without any form of ID. That's almost a quarter of million UNKNOWNs. No travel documents. No form of ID. Insanity. And it doesn't get better. BAMF reports that over HALF of migrants from the past year also had no ID.

The number of asylum seekers in Germany is still on a huge scale -- over 150,000 in 2018. The head of BAMF said, it's "comparable to a big city that comes to us every year." Only about a third of those who enter receive some form of asylum status. They lie. They have no valid reason for asylum. Germany and other EU countries keep throwing the bread in the back yard, and the birds keep coming.

The EU is weakening every member, which makes the entire union incredibly weak in so many ways. Suicide watch.
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EU Migration Policies Continue to Enable Cultural Destruction

Source: Le Figaro

France is suffering an average of 3 church attacks per day
EXCLUSIVE - Homelessness, robbery, desecration ... Catholic places of worship are targeted throughout the country, with nearly three acts committed per day. LR elected representatives question the authorities.

"God will forgive me not": Bernard Carayon, mayor of Lavaur, in the Tarn, does not faint since the desecration on February 5, the Cathedral of Saint-Alain, jewel of southern Gothic. At the end of the day, two high school students, identified thanks to cameras located nearby, invest the place of worship, fire the altar of one of the chapels of the building as well as a nursery. A crucifix is ​​returned, a second thrown while a third Christ on the cross has his arm twisted to make him take a grotesque pose in the confessional.

"This fundamentally anti-Christian act was perpetrated at the very moment when we had just completed five years of restoration work, for a bill of 2 million euros, is outraged the town of Tarn. It was necessary to call the fire department to suck the thick black smoke and about forty parishioners to restore order. "
Any weakened member of the EU weakens the entire EU. Poland, Hungary, Italy and other anti-globalist countries have it correct.
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Post by GT93 » March 31, 2019, 10:34 am

So the EU gets stronger with the dysfunctional UK out? Let's hope so. I don't want European lives getting worse.

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Post by Zico » April 1, 2019, 1:44 pm

Winston Churchill said "No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

The same is true of the European Union, which he was also an advocate for.

Marxists hate the EU because it is too Capitalist and Ultra Conservatives hate the EU because it is too Socialist.

The EU is better than all alternatives '.. that have been tried from time to time'.

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Post by Lone Star » April 1, 2019, 8:04 pm

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Source: Sunday Times

The group operated through a series of tactics that included exploitation of illegal immigration, benefits fraud, VAT fraud, and mortgage fraud, and managed to steal at least £8 billion.

The funds were used for gang members' personal expenses that included luxury cars and properties. The funds also bankrolled Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -wqkcsrdpz

I wonder what other EU countries are being hit right now?
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Post by Doodoo » April 1, 2019, 9:21 pm

"Any weakened member of the EU weakens the entire EU. Poland, Hungary, Italy and other anti-globalist countries have it correct."
A statement like this means NOTHING I mean absolutely NOTHING It brings on hatred, instability, nothing GOOD
Any group that suffers a weakness dependent on the problem i.e. the Allies during WW2, the United States during Katrina, (Hurricane), a ball team with one or two weak players. Certainly it creates a weakness but the plan should be what to do to make it a strength and not thrive on weakness

Build don't destroy or at the end is nothing
It has nothing to do with God, Allah, Buddha, Joe on the Corner......

and I have no idea what this means
"EXCLUSIVE - Homelessness, robbery, desecration ... Catholic places of worship are targeted throughout the country, with nearly three acts committed per day. LR elected representatives question the authorities.

"God will forgive me not": Bernard Carayon, mayor of Lavaur, in the Tarn, does not faint since the desecration on February 5, the Cathedral of Saint-Alain, jewel of southern Gothic. At the end of the day, two high school students, identified thanks to cameras located nearby, invest the place of worship, fire the altar of one of the chapels of the building as well as a nursery. A crucifix is ​​returned, a second thrown while a third Christ on the cross has his arm twisted to make him take a grotesque pose in the confessional.

"This fundamentally anti-Christian act was perpetrated at the very moment when we had just completed five years of restoration work, for a bill of 2 million euros, is outraged the town of Tarn. It was necessary to call the fire department to suck the thick black smoke and about forty parishioners to restore order. "

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Post by Lone Star » April 2, 2019, 5:44 am

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EU Manufacturing Shrinking at Fastest Rate Since 2013

Source: Associated Press

While manufacturing in the US continues to grow, it's shrinking in the EU.

Double of dose of bad news for the EU as inflation fell further away from the Central Bank’s target, and the manufacturing sector is shrinking. This has put the Central Bank in a delay mode regarding rate increases and has announced plans for cheap bank loans.

Unemployment is down. Inflation is down. Economies are flat.

The IHS Markit monthly survey on the EU showed that purchasing managers’ index in manufacturing fell below the 50 benchmark to 47.5, which is lower than the 49.3 index in February. That is more than a 1% decline month-to-month.

IHS Markit Outlook:
Looking at the forward-looking indicators, downside risks have intensified, and the trend could clearly deteriorate further in the second quarter.

Concerns over trade wars, tariffs, rising political uncertainty, Brexit and perhaps most importantly deteriorating forecasts for the economic environment both at home and in export markets, were widely reported to have dampened business activity and confidence.
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by Zico » April 2, 2019, 8:17 am

Source: Fox News

EU in Crisis

A dog bit a man on the street yesterday.

The dog is believed to be an undocumented migrant with links to ISIL and Al Qaeda and other scary organisations.

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