It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

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It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by papafarang » January 18, 2019, 9:34 pm

Don't worry Tam, we dealt with the monarchy now we need to sort this lot out and start a fresh.

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by tamada » January 18, 2019, 9:46 pm

But sad to think that the modern day Guy Fawkes would quickly be labeled a terrorist with the fervent search to pinpoint where he became radicalized rather than a more meaningful questions of why he did it and what exactly pissed him off.

For me, the article does identify two significant contributing factors to the suggested UK's existential struggle. One being the older generation, facing a longer working life before they can collect a smaller pension and their attendant question, "Is that it?" The other being the disconnected, younger generation with their dumbed-down school grades, self-entitlement to the sub-standard degree and, to coin a Scottish phrase, "Whaur's mine?"

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by Faraday » January 18, 2019, 9:53 pm

Spot on post, Tam.


But what the bloody 'ells going to happen now?

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by Lone Star » January 18, 2019, 9:56 pm

tamada wrote:
January 18, 2019, 9:46 pm

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For me, the article does identify two significant contributing factors to the suggested UK's existential struggle. One being the older generation, facing a longer working life before they can collect a smaller pension and their attendant question, "Is that it?" The other being the disconnected, younger generation with their dumbed-down school grades, self-entitlement to the sub-standard degree and, to coin a Scottish phrase, "Whaur's mine?"
It's probably true in more places than you realize. The public education part in the US is the same. As for retirement, had I not had a private pension and personal investments, I'd be saying, "Is that it?" also.

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by Giggle » January 18, 2019, 10:09 pm

A better metaphoric bird than the dodo would be the ostrich. March 29, 2019 is in 70 days and these clueless goobers can't even decide "how" to leave the union, much less what to do once they've left.

The UK has cemented itself as the most piss-weak, indecisive, lame government in the world. Good luck to them. They'll need it. They seem to have delusions of grandeur that restoring their sovereignty will somehow take them back to the glory days of the Empire. It will not. Instead, they will quickly realize what a harsh, cold, unwelcoming world awaits a small, useless, decrepit country with nothing to offer anybody. Removal from the G6 and UN Security Council are first items on the agenda.

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by Giggle » January 19, 2019, 12:28 pm

The excruciating yet inevitable realization will reveal that the UK was not, in fact, propping up a sagging Union, but rather, the Union lent prestige and credence to a withering sell-out, culturally bankrupt, economically dependent, miserable island with nothing to offer but constant criticism and never-ending grousing.

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by yartims » January 22, 2019, 10:05 pm

UK will NEVER get a good deal. Why would an unelected dictatorship which the EU is.. offer anyone good deal. They are only interested in keeping their little cartel in order for their protection. We the British have had the audacity to vote against them & they are upset.
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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by Giggle » January 23, 2019, 9:46 am

When you foolishly sell your soul to the devil, there is a hefty penalty to be paid when deciding it wasn't such a good idea to begin with.

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Post by tamada » January 23, 2019, 10:55 am

There's been a noted increase in public commentary on how the whole tortured Brexit process has revealed the deepening disconnect between the voter and the buggers they voted for. With this new-found awareness of who's been fvcking the dog at Westminster for the past dozen years or so, there's been an increase in parliamentarians seeking to introduce amendments that suggest tweaks and caveats to the Brexit bill. The mechanisms were already in place to either modify or rescind the PM's current standing orders for jumping out of a the burning EU plane sans parachute. It's possible that the penny has dropped and more MP's have gone back and read their job descriptions, started listening to their constituents and are stepping up to the plate? Albeit almost 2 years after the pin was pulled on the article 50 grenade?

Ultimately, the Speaker is the one who decides what amendments make it to the floor and he recently showed the power of his position (and p!ssed off the Tories) when he allowed amendments that stopped the PM running down the clock and in the inevitability of the no-vote, forced her to come up with Plan B ASAP. Latest scuttlebutt is the Tories will deny him the peerage that is the traditional reward of Speakers, even ones who stuff-up on the job. But maybe that 'som nam nah' only applies if the Tories remain in power.

It appears that Corbyn is running scared of his back-bench lefties and has crumbled on his resistance to the fallacy of the "people's vote." However, his front bench have suggested that giving the nod to a second vote will not end well... for him anyway. The 70-odd Labour MP's that signed for the 'Mulligan' option are supported by,... wait for it, several MEP's. How can that be right?

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by saint » January 23, 2019, 2:10 pm

Giggle wrote:
January 23, 2019, 9:46 am
When you foolishly sell your soul to the devil, there is a hefty penalty to be paid when deciding it wasn't such a good idea to begin with.
I will just have to accept your word on that one Giggle .

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Post by Faraday » January 23, 2019, 7:20 pm

saint wrote:
January 23, 2019, 2:10 pm
Giggle wrote:
January 23, 2019, 9:46 am
When you foolishly sell your soul to the devil, there is a hefty penalty to be paid when deciding it wasn't such a good idea to begin with.
I will just have to accept your word on that one Giggle .
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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by saint » January 24, 2019, 5:26 am

Or , hes a reincarnation of Robert Johnson down at the crossroads .

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by Zico » April 2, 2019, 8:53 am

The UK will always be a significant player in world affairs. It's still an attractive place to live and work, except for the ex-pats who desire a warmer climate in retirement. ;)

The biggest threat it faces comes from within. The rise of nationalism and the xenophobic nature of it's rhetoric is completely at odds with the values that have kept the Union together for 200 years.

If things continue on the current path the UK might dissolve into it's consitutuant parts deciding their own futures. Taking back control etc.

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Post by stereolab » April 2, 2019, 12:18 pm

Zico wrote:
April 2, 2019, 8:53 am
The UK will always be a significant player in world affairs. It's still an attractive place to live and work, except for the ex-pats who desire a warmer climate in retirement. ;)

The biggest threat it faces comes from within. The rise of nationalism and the xenophobic nature of it's rhetoric is completely at odds with the values that have kept the Union together for 200 years.

If things continue on the current path the UK might dissolve into it's consitutuant parts deciding their own futures. Taking back control etc.
Scotland may well become a socialist workers paradise, if the SNP get their way. Politics in Scotland is very Central Belt fixated, most funding goes to Edinburgh and Glasgow, the other main cities fight for the scraps. The SNP want to stay in the EU for the funding it receives, no other reason.

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Re: It was never about Europe. Brexit is Britain’s reckoning with itself

Post by Zico » April 2, 2019, 3:03 pm

stereolab wrote:
April 2, 2019, 12:18 pm

Scotland may well become a socialist workers paradise, if the SNP get their way. Politics in Scotland is very Central Belt fixated, most funding goes to Edinburgh and Glasgow, the other main cities fight for the scraps. The SNP want to stay in the EU for the funding it receives, no other reason.
Why should Scotland need funding from the EU?

The UK is a major contributor to the EU budget. It makes no sense that regions of the UK are so neglected by central government that the EU needs to step in.

If the government spent more money on developing the less affluent areas, outside London and the South East, the net contributions to the EU would reduce accordingly.

The notion that leaving the EU frees up money is absolute bullshit. The government could and should be spending that money domestically already.

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Re: Yes it really happened

Post by saint » August 30, 2019, 8:05 am

The majority of the British public did vote to leave the E U .

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Post by Lone Star » August 30, 2019, 8:14 am

saint wrote:
August 30, 2019, 8:05 am
The majority of the British public did vote to leave the E U .
LIBs don't recognize the popular vote if it hands them a loss. They want to vote until they get the desired result.

You can't be a LIB without being a hypocrite.
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Post by stattointhailand » August 30, 2019, 8:24 am

Lone Star wrote:
August 30, 2019, 8:14 am
saint wrote:
August 30, 2019, 8:05 am
The majority of the British public did vote to leave the E U .
LIBs don't recognize the popular vote if it hands them a loss. They want to vote until they get the desired result.

You can't be a LIB without being a hypocrite.
But they didnt vote for a Kamikaze "No Deal" which even those with the benefit of half a brain cell in the Tory party realise is a disaster waiting to happen [-X

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Re: Yes it really happened

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Lone Star wrote:
August 30, 2019, 8:14 am

LIBs don't recognize the popular vote if it hands them a loss. They want to vote until they get the desired result.

You can't be a LIB without being a hypocrite.
So tell us about the popular vote on 8 November 2016 again. :-k

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