Brexit: the 11th-hour brinkmanship kicks off.

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Post by joudon » October 20, 2019, 2:36 pm

"People will now know what they are voting for."
What an utterly condescending comment.
We, the majority of voters knew EXACTLY what we were voting for !!!!!!!! OUT OUT OUT of the utterly corrupt Brussels dictatorship. Such massive financial waste, so much strangling red tape, too many overpaid bureaucrats. No balancing the books, A common agricultural policy that basically only favors the French. A fisheries policy that compels fishermen to .put dead fish back in the sea, the list goes , and to crown it all the EU Parliament has to meet 4 days a month in Strasbourg, what a financial waste , for what???



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Post by Chuchi » October 20, 2019, 5:28 pm

joudon wrote:
October 20, 2019, 2:36 pm
"People will now know what they are voting for."
What an utterly condescending comment.
We, the majority of voters knew EXACTLY what we were voting for !!!!!!!! OUT OUT OUT of the utterly corrupt Brussels dictatorship. Such massive financial waste, so much strangling red tape, too many overpaid bureaucrats. No balancing the books, A common agricultural policy that basically only favors the French. A fisheries policy that compels fishermen to .put dead fish back in the sea, the list goes , and to crown it all the EU Parliament has to meet 4 days a month in Strasbourg, what a financial waste , for what???
The first thing that needs to be binned is the Fixed Term Parliament Act, when it was introduced it was probably never envisaged that we would have an opposition to scared to call an election and a majority of MPs at odds with the electorate.

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Post by BillaRickaDickay » October 20, 2019, 5:52 pm

So when the Remoners finally get their way do they really think that the half of the country that got stitched up by the Politicians will just skuttle off back to their social housing (after all isn't that where all Leavers live) roll over and forget all the crap that's been going on for the last 3 years.
They should cast their gaze on Barcelona and see what could be coming their way.
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Post by Drunk Monkey » October 20, 2019, 6:12 pm

The Uk parlament is a shambolic disgrace .. and its plain to see this is all.about delay delay extention ..referendum cancel brexit .. AGAINST the will of the people 17 mil plus people who k ew EXACTLY what they voted for ..it was pretty obvious stay or go .. these condesending twats seem.to think the leave viters were all thick yokels ... take a look at Mansfeid ..labour seat for ever 79 %leave ...n there elected labour MP ignires them .. utter disgrace .

This wanker ..Lewtin ...has his 15 mins of fame but gonna cost the country billions .. n poor old Diane Abbit it was all too much n she slept thru most of the debate ..

Hope bojo keeps it going n we leave on 31st with or without a deal .. btw soft or hard wasnt on the referendum.ballot paper in 2016 ..

REMAIN or LEAVE was ..

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Post by Chuchi » October 20, 2019, 6:45 pm

Drunk Monkey wrote:
October 20, 2019, 6:12 pm
The Uk parlament is a shambolic disgrace .. and its plain to see this is all.about delay delay extention ..referendum cancel brexit .. AGAINST the will of the people 17 mil plus people who k ew EXACTLY what they voted for ..it was pretty obvious stay or go .. these condesending twats seem.to think the leave viters were all thick yokels ... take a look at Mansfeid ..labour seat for ever 79 %leave ...n there elected labour MP ignires them .. utter disgrace .

This wanker ..Lewtin ...has his 15 mins of fame but gonna cost the country billions .. n poor old Diane Abbit it was all too much n she slept thru most of the debate ..

Hope bojo keeps it going n we leave on 31st with or without a deal .. btw soft or hard wasnt on the referendum.ballot paper in 2016 ..

REMAIN or LEAVE was ..

Dm.
Letwins constituency if I’m correct voted to leave 51-49 , seems he was talking a different game late 2016 before the 2017 Election.

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Post by tamada » October 21, 2019, 12:48 pm

Pretty good "spot the quislings" websites below:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019 ... dment.html

http://democraticdashboard.com/

Used the last one for my 'home' constituency that voted to leave the EU in 2016 but the Labour MP, a nice lass despite being one of Corbyn's rising stars, has been toeing the 'anything but Bojo' party line.

http://democraticdashboard.com/constitu ... -fleetwood

If you really want to know what your MP is doing for you, check this one:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/

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Post by GT93 » October 21, 2019, 1:29 pm

I enjoyed Widdecombe's speech. That was interesting. She gave UK politicians a real rollicking and said something such as the UK on Brexit was the laughing stock of the world. :lol:

This red suited high priest of Brexit seems to be a very sharp operator and orator.
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Post by yartims » October 21, 2019, 4:05 pm

Mr Johnson told the Commons: "I will not negotiate a delay with the EU and neither does the law compel me to do so."

That sounds good to me: fighting talk from Boris. Let's see his next move against the Remainiac quislings and their attempted coup d'état.
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Post by AlexO » October 21, 2019, 4:29 pm

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yartims wrote:
October 21, 2019, 4:05 pm
Mr Johnson told the Commons: "I will not negotiate a delay with the EU and neither does the law compel me to do so."

That sounds good to me: fighting talk from Boris. Let's see his next move against the Remainiac quislings and their attempted coup d'état.
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Post by stattointhailand » October 21, 2019, 7:17 pm

BOJO couldn't negotiate the supply of beer for a p*ss up in a brewery.

As for "fighting talk" one can only pray that there is no weak spot in the paper bag :-$

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Post by arjay » October 23, 2019, 3:27 am

After the proposal for the short timetable to discuss the bill was voted down, many suggestions were made to Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Leader of the House, of ways they might be able to compress the discussions into the time remaining before 31st October, such as sitting right across the weekend, even day and night, rather than have the bill stall, but he rejected each one. His responses came across as petulant. I think the Government/Boris needs to be careful they don't lose the high ground with their posturing/manoevering.

Unless he puts it back on the agenda with a new timetable, I think he might be expecting a lot, if he is hoping that the EU will either not allow an extension, or will only allow a very short extension.

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Post by Drunk Monkey » October 23, 2019, 9:04 am

TOTAL and utter shambles .. its just making the UK highly paid lazy self centered politicians and political procedures look stupid in the eyes of the whole world ..DISGRACE .

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Post by yartims » October 23, 2019, 4:51 pm

hard exit is still available ..if they dont stick with 31 nigel farage bounces back big time .and tories are toast for ever

we could be looking at violent scenes on election day the likes of which havent been seen since many years..the piss takers will be dealt with as the voters are highly fed up with all this
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Post by tamada » October 23, 2019, 8:33 pm

yartims wrote:
October 23, 2019, 4:51 pm
hard exit is still available ..if they dont stick with 31 nigel farage bounces back big time .and tories are toast for ever

we could be looking at violent scenes on election day the likes of which havent been seen since many years..the piss takers will be dealt with as the voters are highly fed up with all this
Have there been violent elections previously in the UK's history?

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Post by yartims » October 23, 2019, 10:49 pm

plenty back in time

electoral violence in England and Wales from its peak after the Great Reform Act (1832) until it disappeared before the Great War (1914)

maybe even further back in time before women were allowed to vote :razz:
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Post by yartims » October 23, 2019, 11:14 pm

Two decades later, the radical public speaker Henry Hunt spoke at numerous political meetings on the same theme. During August 1819, at one such gathering in St Peter's Field, Manchester, local yeomanry attacked the crowd, killing 11 people. After the 'Peterloo Massacre', as this incident became known in radical circles, the government passed a series of repressive measures, and parliamentary reform still seemed a distant prospect.

The Tory politician Lord Derby described the second Reform Act (1867) as 'a leap in the dark'. And yet only two in every five Englishmen had the vote in 1870. Even the third Reform Act (1884) - which enfranchised all male house owners in both urban and rural areas and added 6 million people to the voting registers - fell some way short of introducing universal manhood suffrage.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/path ... g_vote.htm
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Post by tamada » October 24, 2019, 11:14 am

So no chance of anything like the 'Peterloo Massacre' ever happening before or after we leave the EU.

Maybe there's a lot being read into some attention-seeking MP's recent, flippant but irresponsible recycling of Ann Widdecombe's view that this is the worst parliament since Oliver Cromwell.

BTW, Ann was talking about Theresa May's serial failures but I have to admit that Bojo's current 1-7 is an absolute ball tearer.

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Post by AlexO » October 24, 2019, 2:30 pm

stattointhailand wrote:
October 21, 2019, 7:17 pm
BOJO couldn't negotiate the supply of beer for a p*ss up in a brewery.

As for "fighting talk" one can only pray that there is no weak spot in the paper bag :-$
Strange that he managed within less than 3 months in PM position that we have a revised deal from the EU (remember those are the people who said this is the 'only' deal in town) Just watch his performances in Parliament, he actually speaks to the members in that den of iniquities with very little reference to speech notes etc. Where as our scholarly failure of an opposition leader hardly raises his eyes from the speeches his underlings write for him. Quite impressed with Boris so far, could be a Maggie Version 2. :D :lol: \:D/

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Post by MrFixer » October 25, 2019, 11:02 am

AlexO wrote:
October 24, 2019, 2:30 pm
stattointhailand wrote:
October 21, 2019, 7:17 pm
BOJO couldn't negotiate the supply of beer for a p*ss up in a brewery.

As for "fighting talk" one can only pray that there is no weak spot in the paper bag :-$
Strange that he managed within less than 3 months in PM position that we have a revised deal from the EU (remember those are the people who said this is the 'only' deal in town) Just watch his performances in Parliament, he actually speaks to the members in that den of iniquities with very little reference to speech notes etc. Where as our scholarly failure of an opposition leader hardly raises his eyes from the speeches his underlings write for him. Quite impressed with Boris so far, could be a Maggie Version 2. :D :lol: \:D/
Boris is no Maggie!
He's managed to replace one border with two borders and introduced certification requirements for NI businesses when they ship goods to the rest of the UK (and it now looks like this will apply to services too). He's given a huge boost to the prospects for Irish unification and made Scottish independence more likely.
Amazing to think that he resigned over Theresa's last deal proposal which was better than this latest deal. Seems that the main problem with Theresa's deal was that it didn't have Boris's name on it.

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Post by tamada » October 25, 2019, 1:17 pm

MrFixer wrote:
October 25, 2019, 11:02 am
.. and made Scottish independence more likely.
Maybe not.

Sturgeon humiliation: Nationalist think tank's own poll shows Scots backing STAYING in UK

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11946 ... a-sturgeon

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