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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by tamada » April 15, 2022, 4:48 pm

mak wrote:
April 15, 2022, 10:51 am
Makes Profumo look like an angel.
Quality peedophile.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dApp_Other


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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by tamada » April 20, 2022, 8:55 am

Looks like JR-M has ruffled feathers (again) by suggesting that work from home is over for civil servants and they really need to get back to commuting to the office, doing 9 to 5 and dropping a few quid on takeaways at Pret a Manger or Costa. Apparently only about 25% of the dogsbodies at the Dept of Education are "going in."

Partygate suggests that some core civil servants were happily working at (someone else's) home, probably still are but are under the cosh now. Visions of the re-tasking of Customs officers from airports to manning the government workers car parks or their tradesman entrances and asking, "Where have you come from?" and, "Can I inspect your bags?"

"Anything to declare? Wine? Cake?"

This adds insult to injury as the bludgers are already incandescent with their recent pay rise being clipped to a paltry 3%.

In other news, shares in Netflix crashed on their first report of subscriber loss.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by AlexO » April 20, 2022, 2:50 pm

tamada wrote:
April 15, 2022, 4:48 pm
mak wrote:
April 15, 2022, 10:51 am
Makes Profumo look like an angel.
Quality peedophile.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dApp_Other
Been many Tam, over the whole political spectrum. Its not just a Tory thing.

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by stattointhailand » April 20, 2022, 3:38 pm

"Its not just a Tory thing."

may be not, but they are the undisputed leaders in class (or should that be non class :lol: )

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by AlexO » April 20, 2022, 3:57 pm

stattointhailand wrote:
April 20, 2022, 3:38 pm
"Its not just a Tory thing."

may be not, but they are the undisputed leaders in class (or should that be non class :lol: )
Come on then, who was worse than Cyril Smith et all. Not trying to protect anyone, but it is not just a Tory thing. Then there is Starmer who receives a Knighthood for ignored child sex abuse on a grand scale just because it would upset an ethnic minority who vote labour mostly. Who is worse???

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by tamada » April 20, 2022, 4:02 pm

AlexO wrote:
April 20, 2022, 2:50 pm
tamada wrote:
April 15, 2022, 4:48 pm
mak wrote:
April 15, 2022, 10:51 am
Makes Profumo look like an angel.
Quality peedophile.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dApp_Other
Been many Tam, over the whole political spectrum. Its not just a Tory thing.
Got to agree but right now, the incumbents do seem to have a larger contingent than many?
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by stattointhailand » April 20, 2022, 5:11 pm

or even Thatcher covering up for her MP's and even pushing for Jimmy Savile to be honoured and giving his charity 1/2 million quid of our money

"In March 1981, Savile had lunch with Thatcher at Chequers – prompting anxious enquiries from her civil servants. "Prime Minister: Can you kindly let me know if you made any promises to Jimmy Savile when he lunched with you yesterday, for instance: (i) Did you offer him any money for Stoke Mandeville? (ii) Did you tell him that you would appear on Jim'll Fix it?"

Against the last question Thatcher scrawled in her trademark, dark felt pen: 'No'. In terms of the cash, she wrote: "Promised to get govt contribution. MT." The government eventually donated £500,000 to Stoke Mandeville.

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by AlexO » April 20, 2022, 6:33 pm

Statts, you cannot just make sweeping statements without naming names, your not from NZ.
Who was M.T. protecting and who before his death ever accused Saville of his vile crimes. Hindsight is a wonderful thing except Starmer who is still around with a Royal award for protecting child rape gangs and Blackford who is still an incompetent (putting it politely) politician.
Donating 500K to a hospital does not make you a criminal, and as for appearing on Jim Will Fix it I suppose a close friend of yours told you but it is locked up as a National Secret Archives for 100 years.

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by stattointhailand » April 20, 2022, 9:07 pm

........its what she (in her own writing) added to the documents which have now been made public at the National Archives

Senior civil servants dont tend to make statements like "Prime Minister: Can you kindly let me know if you made any promises to Jimmy Savile when he lunched with you yesterday," if there were not serious worries about him.
By this time she had already requested he receive a "gong", had her request refused and needed to force the aplication through the channels even despite revelations in the media about the TV presenter’s sexual abuse of children.
If Stoke Mandeville hospital was worthy of 500,000 taxpayers money, why did it not come from the NHS budget which could easily have been adjusted? because the NHS budget was scrutinised perhaps?

you want names .......You cant get a lot closer than her own Private Secretary Peter Morrison

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by AlexO » April 20, 2022, 9:48 pm

you want names .......You cant get a lot closer than her own Private Secretary Peter Morrison

So he was gay or whatever name it has now. The Woke mob have a name for it, Homophobic. Are you saying that you are one just because he was a Tory??.

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by stattointhailand » April 20, 2022, 10:14 pm

"Margaret Thatcher personally supported one of her MP’s who had an alleged “penchant for small boys”, MI5 files disclosed to a public inquiry reveal.

An MI5 lawyer told the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) it was “a matter of regret” that the service considered only the national security implications of allegations of possible child abuse by Peter Morrison, Conservative MP for Chester, and did not pass information to the police."

Didn't know he was bent as a nine bob note as well

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by GT93 » April 21, 2022, 12:55 am

MI5 would be better positioned than Thatcher to know what might be happening. Their failure to consider the interests of victims is appalling and raises questions about how well they were also managing their core tasks. Organizations can become too insular and not have enough fresh air sweeping through. This makes them weaker.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by stattointhailand » April 21, 2022, 11:25 am

Blimey GT, that could have been a Dom Cummings speech .......... let the loonies and radicals into central govt for their fresh ideas

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by tamada » April 21, 2022, 12:22 pm

GT93 wrote:
April 21, 2022, 12:55 am
MI5 would be better positioned than Thatcher to know what might be happening. Their failure to consider the interests of victims is appalling and raises questions about how well they were also managing their core tasks. Organizations can become too insular and not have enough fresh air sweeping through. This makes them weaker.
The upper echelons of the UK's security services, both domestic and international, have a history riven with benders, poofs and turncoats.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by stattointhailand » April 21, 2022, 1:14 pm

tamada wrote:
April 21, 2022, 12:22 pm
GT93 wrote:
April 21, 2022, 12:55 am
MI5 would be better positioned than Thatcher to know what might be happening. Their failure to consider the interests of victims is appalling and raises questions about how well they were also managing their core tasks. Organizations can become too insular and not have enough fresh air sweeping through. This makes them weaker.
The upper echelons of the UK's security services, both domestic and international, have a history riven with benders, poofs and turncoats.
Possibly, but unlike others they do draw the line at fluffy sheep :-$

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by GT93 » April 22, 2022, 1:15 am

tamada wrote:
April 21, 2022, 12:22 pm
GT93 wrote:
April 21, 2022, 12:55 am
MI5 would be better positioned than Thatcher to know what might be happening. Their failure to consider the interests of victims is appalling and raises questions about how well they were also managing their core tasks. Organizations can become too insular and not have enough fresh air sweeping through. This makes them weaker.
The upper echelons of the UK's security services, both domestic and international, have a history riven with benders, poofs and turncoats.
Yes and this would have been an obvious security risk back then. It doesn't appear to have been properly managed. I didn't mean letting the loonies in statts.

We've had serious problems in NZ with our spooks too. They get captured by the interests of foreign intelligence services. They don't properly serve the interests of NZ. I even have very limited confidence in the spooks focusing their efforts in the correct ballpark. Out here they were appallingly slow in appreciating the risks of terrorism from the far right. They just ignore the interests of communities such as Muslims.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by GT93 » April 25, 2022, 2:00 am

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British politics is rarely dull.
MPs have expressed outrage over comments made by the Conservative MP Crispin Blunt about the guilty verdict in Imran Ahmad Khan’s sexual assault trial.

Blunt, the MP for Reigate since 1997 and chair of the all-party parliamentary group on LGBTQ+ rights, said he was certain Khan was innocent and that the trial “was nothing short of an international scandal”.

The MP for Wakefield was expelled from the Conservative party with “immediate effect” hours after being convicted of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy.

“I am utterly appalled and distraught at the dreadful miscarriage of justice that has befallen my friend and colleague Imran Ahmad Khan, MP for Wakefield since December 2019,” Blunt said in a statement.

“I sat through some of the trial. The conduct of this case relied on lazy tropes about LGBT+ people that we might have thought we had put behind us decades ago,” he said.

“As a former justice minister, I was prepared to testify about the truly extraordinary sequence of events that has resulted in Imran being put through this nightmare start to his parliamentary career.”

Three MPs have since resigned from the APPG – Scottish National party MPs Stewart McDonald and Joanna Cherry, and Labour MP Chris Bryant.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... tive-party

Even the LGBTs have some issues. :lol:
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by pepesgrill » April 25, 2022, 3:58 am

ugh , yes it's not exactly tea time conversation

you couldn't fabricate all these plots &twists in
a fictional work. it truly defies all sanity . :-s

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by GT93 » April 25, 2022, 8:00 am

More entertainment from Westminster:

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Angela Rayner has hit out at “sexism and misogyny” in politics, as a storm of criticism erupted after a newspaper reported that she crosses and uncrosses her legs during prime minister’s questions to distract Boris Johnson.

Cabinet ministers including Johnson himself, and MPs from across the House of Commons condemned the Mail on Sunday report, which the chair of the House of Commons women and equalities committee, Caroline Nokes, a Conservative, called a “dirty little story”.

The paper reported that unnamed senior Tories had “mischievously” suggested Labour’s deputy leader deploys what it called “a fully clothed parliamentary equivalent of Sharon Stone’s infamous scene in the 1992 film Basic Instinct”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... istract-pm
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by tamada » April 25, 2022, 8:11 am

OMG, it's those "unnamed senior Tory misogynists" again. Whatever deflection from their abysmal leadership will they dream of next? We already know that the only reason Priti Pratel is still in the cabinet is because she appeals to the significant MILF voting demographic.
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