Miscellaneous COVID-19/Corona Virus Discussion, Questions, etc.

[mak]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-h ... eid=yhoof2

[papafarang]

Once someone has received the Vaccine, should the entry regulations be different to enter Thailand???

Let the discussion begin

Interesting thought , but they say the Pfizer vaccine protects you but. You still catch it. They're still don't know yet if you simply become a carrier during the first stages. The other thing is the herd immunity , we don't have herd immunity to the flu or common cold so why assume we will get immunity from covid . still questions to be answered

[tamada]

I think the term "immunity" is either overblown or misused. AFAIK, nobody's immune from regular, seasonal influenza after all these years. Even if they get their annual flu shot, it's been tweaked to fit what strains will be prevalent that season and isn't any guarantee that you won't catch flu, just reduces the risk for a certain demographics.

If this well-funded, needs-must research and development of a Covid-19 vaccine has developed a silver bullet solution, hopefully any breakthrough that has enabled such a high-efficacy vaccine will leverage similar effectiveness in regular flu shots. May even become part if the seasonal flu 'cocktail'.

Mine's a mohito. Cheers.

[sometimewoodworker]

I think the term "immunity" is either overblown or misused. AFAIK, nobody's immune from regular, seasonal influenza after all these years. Even if they get their annual flu shot, it's been tweaked to fit what strains will be prevalent that season and isn't any guarantee that you won't catch flu, just reduces the risk for a certain demographics.

If this well-funded, needs-must research and development of a Covid-19 vaccine has developed a silver bullet solution, hopefully any breakthrough that has enabled such a high-efficacy vaccine will leverage similar effectiveness in regular flu shots. May even become part if the seasonal flu 'cocktail'.

Mine's a mohito. Cheers.

You are confusing influenza which is probably not really one disease but many diseases with very very similar symptoms. You can become, many people (most people) are, immune to a particular variant but you can still get another that is different enough.

The confusion is that COVID-19 mutations are, so far, all remarkably similar, so that immunity is provided to all strains not just 1. The period of the immune response is unknown at the moment, it may be just months. Also the degree of immunity is unknown in the long term. This is why vaccines usually take 10 years to be produced so that long term results can be documented.

[tamada]

^ So at this juncture, even mentioning immunity with regard to Covid-19 is at best a straw clutch or at worst a red herring?

[sometimewoodworker]

^ So at this juncture, even mentioning immunity with regard to Covid-19 is at best a straw clutch or at worst a red herring?

Not really, there is immunity but for how long is not yet clear.

[noosard]

If one gets immunity how does one get the virus a second time
which has happened

[sometimewoodworker]

If one gets immunity how does one get the virus a second time
which has happened

Immunity is often time limited. There are many, possibly most, immune reactions that need to be boosted. The hope is that it will be greater than months but until the data is in for the various viable vaccines the period is unknown.

[Mosquito]

Cases of re-infection noted within 48 days.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 7/fulltext

Worth noting, 2nd infection symptoms often more severe then 1st.

Short/Long Term Effects:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... fects.html

It's only been 10 months, so expect info/stats aren't reflective of the true nature/effects of the virus.

Vaccine Info or Lack Of (definitely to early to tell):
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detai ... gJgN_D_BwE

[tamada]

The announcement of a promising second vaccine in as many days.

President-elect issues a couple of Tweets cautiously acknowledging the progress but it's still early days, lauding the public for their patience and resilience, the vaccine researchers for their amazing progress and the health workers for their relentless efforts.

Meanwhile the incumbent Tweets to remind historians to remember these two discoveries happened on his watch.

[tamada]

If one gets immunity how does one get the virus a second time
which has happened

Immunity is often time limited. There are many, possibly most, immune reactions that need to be boosted. The hope is that it will be greater than months but until the data is in for the various viable vaccines the period is unknown.

If one removes any concept of Covid-19 immunity from one's thought processes, it becomes less stressful and easier to understand. Otherwise you may as well join those rubbing tree trunks for magical lottery numbers.

It's akin to the furore about lack of testing capacity back in early summer when most conflated a -ve test result with being somehow uninfectable, immune, bullet-proof and invincible.

[papafarang]

If one gets immunity how does one get the virus a second time
which has happened

Immunity is often time limited. There are many, possibly most, immune reactions that need to be boosted. The hope is that it will be greater than months but until the data is in for the various viable vaccines the period is unknown.

This is the issue . immunity is known yet ,the vaccine could protect you for years or just a few months. As both are still in trials not enough information to know what long term effects it could have. Most people under the age of 60 catch the virus and have mild or no symptoms. What is important is does it have a success rate of 90-95% inn older people. More information is needed and that takes time ,that's why it takes years to develop vaccines. Truth is if it does not protect the elderly then its a waste of time. Let's hope the scientists know what their doing , and stop listening to the drug companies sales and marketing departments. I think its strange how two opposing drug companies come out with a vaccine in the same week even though neither of them have even finished testing yet

[sometimewoodworker]

Most people under the age of 60 catch the virus and have mild or no symptoms

That may well be true for a wider age group.

The elephant in the room is the long term effects for some subset of people who have been infected. Symptomatic or not some have a variety of long lasting, possibly permanent, changes that adversely effect their health.

[pal52]

Interesting Article in Bangkok Post.

Thailand has purchased 26 Million doses of the Vaccine made by AstraZenica the British consortium.
The cost is 5 $ per dose (150 Baht).

They have also got the Contract to produce the Vaccine at its Plant in Pathum Thani' to be be distributed throughout SE Asia.

Full Article
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... ine-budget

[Kenr6583]

Interesting Article in Bangkok Post.

Thailand has purchased 26 Million doses of the Vaccine made by AstraZenica the British consortium.
The cost is 5 $ per dose (150 Baht).

They have also got the Contract to produce the Vaccine at its Plant in Pathum Thani' to be be distributed throughout SE Asia.

Full Article
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... ine-budget

Wow! United States is paying $19.50 a dose to Pfizer if/when they get approval.

[Stantheman]

Interesting Article in Bangkok Post.

Thailand has purchased 26 Million doses of the Vaccine made by AstraZenica the British consortium.
The cost is 5 $ per dose (150 Baht).

They have also got the Contract to produce the Vaccine at its Plant in Pathum Thani' to be be distributed throughout SE Asia.

Full Article
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... ine-budget

Wow! United States is paying $19.50 a dose to Pfizer if/when they get approval.

We always pay more for American made products versus the imported stuff.

[tamada]

A few days back, Pfizer announced the first vaccine to be made available, claiming about 90% efficacy. Much being made in the media about the cold-chain storage requirements.

Subsequently, Moderna announced their vaccine was ready with a stated 95% efficacy. Much media noise about how it can be kept in the regular fridge.

Yesterday, Pfizer issued an update saying that after "additional testing", their product now also has 95% efficacy.

Was that actually 2-days of testing or something pulled out of their butts to make their product more competitive?

Vaccine wars... game on!

[AlexO]

Interesting Article in Bangkok Post.

Thailand has purchased 26 Million doses of the Vaccine made by AstraZenica the British consortium.
The cost is 5 $ per dose (150 Baht).

They have also got the Contract to produce the Vaccine at its Plant in Pathum Thani' to be be distributed throughout SE Asia.

Full Article
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... ine-budget

Wow! United States is paying $19.50 a dose to Pfizer if/when they get approval.

We always pay more for American made products versus the imported stuff.

Most "American Made" is made in either China or Mexico then sold under American brand names hence the high prices.

[pipoz4444]

A few days back, Pfizer announced the first vaccine to be made available, claiming about 90% efficacy. Much being made in the media about the cold-chain storage requirements.

Subsequently, Moderna announced their vaccine was ready with a stated 95% efficacy. Much media noise about how it can be kept in the regular fridge.

Yesterday, Pfizer issued an update saying that after "additional testing", their product now also has 95% efficacy.

Was that actually 2-days of testing or something pulled out of their butts to make their product more competitive?

Vaccine wars... game on!

And also claiming (by Pfizer) that it is 94% effective in Adults over 65 years old.

But they (Pfizer) didn't indicate up to what Age it will stay at 94% Effective and or if if the % Rate of Effectiveness tapers off, the older you get?.

Who knows, maybe only 80% at 75 years old etc., if they ever do any test results on this age group.

pipoz4444

[sometimewoodworker]

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Who knows, maybe on 80% at 75 years old etc., if they ever do any test results on this age group.
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Sadly it’s going to be easy to get test subjects, as the USA is going to over 200,000 new cases daily, so voluntary subjects are going to be plentiful, similarly the UK and Europe will have lots.