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Post by pipoz4444 » July 5, 2020, 10:41 pm

GT93 wrote:
July 5, 2020, 3:18 pm
I suspect the Thai government is very unhappy with the British government:
Despite reaching 41 days without a locally transmitted case of Covid-19, Thailand is still designated as a “red light” country and Thais arriving in England will still be required to self-isolate for 14 days. Updated guidelines published on the UK Government website on Friday list 59 countries and territories for which no quarantine will apply, starting July 10. Thailand, earlier included in the list, has now been deleted.
https://thethaiger.com/news/world/thail ... ht-from-eu

Bloody insulting? Does the British government think the Thai government is lying to the world about the Covid 19 situation in Thailand?
I suspect there will be a lot of "Tit for Tat", between various Governments over the quarantine issue for the next few months. This one will no go well for the British expats trying to get back into Thailand in the foreseeable future.

The Thai Government will be looking for reciprocal arrangements for entry, at each end, and why not.

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Post by Khun Paul » July 6, 2020, 6:48 am

I do not for one moment think the British Govt gives a damn what Thailand thinks or vice versa, but what I read this morning gives food for thought.
The RTP are intent on setting up Tourist tracking and will operate Road checks to test temperatures at will;, mon itor and track tourists to ensure safety , but at the same time it appears will continually track tourists while they are here. Reminds me of the GRU or Stazi Police . Wonderful to know that you are being tracked each and every day, puts welcoming Thailand into a unbelievable spot . The RTP should be proud of this initiative killing tourism before it even restarts. I remember going to Russia on a holiday not long after it opened its doors for tourism, felt odd being watched everywhere, did not enjoy that particular holiday at all.
Imagine the same here but with a Police service that is at best just competent

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Post by sometimewoodworker » July 6, 2020, 7:06 am

Khun Paul wrote:
July 6, 2020, 6:48 am
I do not for one moment think the British Govt gives a damn what Thailand thinks or vice versa, but what I read this morning gives food for thought.
The RTP are intent on setting up Tourist tracking and will operate Road checks to test temperatures at will;, mon itor and track tourists to ensure safety , but at the same time it appears will continually track tourists while they are here. Reminds me of the GRU or Stazi Police . Wonderful to know that you are being tracked each and every day, puts welcoming Thailand into a unbelievable spot . The RTP should be proud of this initiative killing tourism before it even restarts. I remember going to Russia on a holiday not long after it opened its doors for tourism, felt odd being watched everywhere, did not enjoy that particular holiday at all.
Imagine the same here but with a Police service that is at best just competent
Interesting theory, maybe you have been listening to the orange too much.

Thailand has excellent track and trace, one of the reasons for low to no disease spread.

Personally I prefer to be in Thailand rather than the USA for my safety and smaller chance of getting dead. If that means tracking all tourists who could be asymptomaticly disease spreading, good
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Post by tamada » July 6, 2020, 7:56 am

GT93 wrote:
July 5, 2020, 3:18 pm
I suspect the Thai government is very unhappy with the British government:
Despite reaching 41 days without a locally transmitted case of Covid-19, Thailand is still designated as a “red light” country and Thais arriving in England will still be required to self-isolate for 14 days. Updated guidelines published on the UK Government website on Friday list 59 countries and territories for which no quarantine will apply, starting July 10. Thailand, earlier included in the list, has now been deleted.
https://thethaiger.com/news/world/thail ... ht-from-eu

Bloody insulting? Does the British government think the Thai government is lying to the world about the Covid 19 situation in Thailand?
Once again the Thaiger spouting shyte. There was never an earlier list that Thailand mysteriously disappeared from. These unofficial lists were speculative efforts from varying newspapers in lieu of the government publishing their official list. There were at least four such specious efforts of making up news and the two that I read never, ever had Thailand listed.

About ten days ago, the quorum of EU ambassadors argued for a whole slew of nations to be given the green light to travel to the EU. Thailand was on that list so not being on the UK's list won't cause any loss of sleep.

Unless one subscribes to the fanciful notion that the UK omitting Thailand from quarantine-free travel is somehow going to make Brit expat life in LOS even more untenable.

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Post by jackspratt » July 6, 2020, 8:12 am

Khun Paul wrote:
July 6, 2020, 6:48 am
I do not for one moment think the British Govt gives a damn what Thailand thinks or vice versa, but what I read this morning gives food for thought.
The RTP are intent on setting up Tourist tracking and will operate Road checks to test temperatures at will;, mon itor and track tourists to ensure safety , but at the same time it appears will continually track tourists while they are here.
Can you share with us the source of this startling new information?

Unfortunately, mr google was unable to help.

Edit: never mind, I managed to find it:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... k-tourists

I also caught up with your comment on the article: :D

Knox Thailand Posted : 974 | 6 Jul 2020 at 06.39
Reminds me of the Stazi or GRU , freedoms investigated and naughty people dis-appearing , springs to mind. Thai Police with all their soundbites do not have the Logical skills to do this while making tourists feel safe. Another nail in the lucrative Tourism market , well DONE the RTP

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Post by Doodoo » July 6, 2020, 10:35 am

239 Experts With 1 Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

Here is a new twist and if true is not good news

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/health ... li=AAggNb9

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Post by vincemunday » July 6, 2020, 1:36 pm

‪Official #COVID19 update in #Thailand on Monday:‬
🔸3,195 people infected (+5)‬
🔸3,072 discharged from hospital (+1)‬
🔸65 still in hospital ‬
🔸58 dead (+0)‬

‪The 5 new case are Thais in state quarantine who returned from Kuwait. No local cases again. ‬
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Post by mak » July 6, 2020, 2:24 pm

Anyplace in Udon which does a covid antibody test. Bangkok Hospital does not.

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Post by Khun Paul » July 6, 2020, 4:24 pm

Doodoo wrote:
July 6, 2020, 10:35 am
239 Experts With 1 Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

Here is a new twist and if true is not good news

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/health ... li=AAggNb9
no surprise there , well at least from me, a virus either travels by touch or by air, nothing unusual , hence the mask are so damn important ( which the Americans discount ) Small rooms and crowded places another no no of course, not rocket science , therefore travelling on a plane will also be iffy, pottering around my garden no problem, occasionally shopping ( wearing a mask ) no problem.
All it takes is common-sense which many seem to have thrown out with the Bath water as it were.

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Post by noosard » July 6, 2020, 4:57 pm

Possible the Chinese flu is actual the second spanish flu

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... rged-asia/

If so some apologies will be needed to be given to our Chinese friends

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Post by Doodoo » July 6, 2020, 5:01 pm

Mak info on covid test Sorry not Udon unfortunately

"2,500 THB at individual Chulalongkorn Memorial for the swab, plus initial screening at 200 THB and possible x-ray at 1,050 THB (4 months ago). Result in 1-2 days."

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Post by vincemunday » July 6, 2020, 6:00 pm

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Post by Khun Paul » July 7, 2020, 7:29 am

A blow by blow short account of what Covid 19 may do to your body, scary reading for those with a weak disposition

The coronavirus emerged in only December last year, but already the world is dealing with a pandemic of the virus and the disease it causes - Covid-19.

For most, the disease is mild, but some people die.

So how is the virus attacking the body, why are some people being killed and how is it treated?

Incubation period
This is when the virus is establishing itself.

Viruses work by getting inside the cells your body is made of and then hijacking them.

The coronavirus, officially called Sars-CoV-2, can invade your body when you breathe it in (after someone coughs nearby) or you touch a contaminated surface and then your face.

It first infects the cells lining your throat, airways and lungs and turns them into "coronavirus factories" that spew out huge numbers of new viruses that go on to infect yet more cells.

At this early stage, you will not be sick and some people may never develop symptoms.

The incubation period, the time between infection and first symptoms appearing, varies widely, but is five days on average.

Covid-19 is a mild infection for eight out of 10 people who get it and the core symptoms are a fever and a cough.

Body aches, sore throat and a headache are all possible, but not guaranteed.

The fever, and generally feeling grotty, is a result of your immune system responding to the infection. It has recognised the virus as a hostile invader and signals to the rest of the body something is wrong by releasing chemicals called cytokines.

These rally the immune system, but also cause the body aches, pain and fever.

The coronavirus cough is initially a dry one (you're not bringing stuff up) and this is probably down to irritation of cells as they become infected by the virus.

Some people will eventually start coughing up sputum - a thick mucus containing dead lung cells killed by the virus.

These symptoms are treated with bed rest, plenty of fluids and paracetamol. You won't need specialist hospital care.

This stage lasts about a week - at which point most recover because their immune system has fought off the virus.

However, some will develop a more serious form of Covid-19.

This is the best we understand at the moment about this stage, however, there are studies emerging that suggest the disease can cause more cold-like symptoms such as a runny nose too.

Severe disease

If the disease progresses it will be due to the immune system overreacting to the virus.

Those chemical signals to the rest of the body cause inflammation, but this needs to be delicately balanced. Too much inflammation can cause collateral damage throughout the body.

"The virus is triggering an imbalance in the immune response, there's too much inflammation, how it is doing this we don't know," said Dr Nathalie MacDermott, from individual's College London.


If it was possible to travel through your mouth down the windpipe and through the tiny tubes in your lungs, you'd eventually end up in tiny little air sacs.

This is where oxygen moves into the blood and carbon dioxide moves out, but in pneumonia the tiny sacs start to fill with water and can eventually cause shortness of breath and difficulty breathing.

Some people will need a ventilator to help them breathe.

This stage is thought to affect around 14% of people, based on data from China.

Critical disease
It is estimated around 6% of cases become critically ill.

By this point the body is starting to fail and there is a real chance of death.

The problem is the immune system is now spiralling out of control and causing damage throughout the body.

It can lead to septic shock when the blood pressure drops to dangerously low levels and organs stop working properly or fail completely.

Acute respiratory distress syndrome caused by widespread inflammation in the lungs stops the body getting enough oxygen it needs to survive. It can stop the kidneys from cleaning the blood and damage the lining of your intestines.

"The virus sets up such a huge degree of inflammation that you succumb... it becomes multi-organ failure," Dr Bharat Pankhania said.

And if the immune system cannot get on top of the virus, then it will eventually spread to every corner of the body where it can cause even more damage.

Treatment by this stage will be highly invasive and can include ECMO or extra-corporeal membrane oxygenation.

This is essentially an artificial lung that takes blood out of the body through thick tubes, oxygenates it and pumps it back in.

But eventually the damage can reach fatal levels at which organs can no longer keep the body alive.

The first deaths
Doctors have described how some patients died despite their best efforts.

The first two patients to die at Jinyintan Hospital in Wuhan, China, detailed in the Lancet Medical journal, were seemingly healthy, although they were long-term smokers and that would have weakened their lungs.

The first, a 61-year-old man, had severe pneumonia by the time he arrived at hospital.

He was in acute respiratory distress, and despite being put on a ventilator, his lungs failed and his heart stopped beating.

He died 11 days after he was admitted.

The second patient, a 69-year-old man, also had acute respiratory distress syndrome.

He was attached to an ECMO machine but this wasn't enough. He died of severe pneumonia and septic shock when his blood pressure collapsed.

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Post by vincemunday » July 7, 2020, 11:47 am

‪Official #COVID19 update in #Thailand on Friday:‬
🔸3,195 people infected (+0)‬
🔸3,072 discharged from hospital (+0)‬
🔸65 still in hospital ‬
🔸58 dead (+0)‬

‪Now 43 days with no local cases. ‬
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Post by jackspratt » July 7, 2020, 12:28 pm

mickojak wrote:
July 4, 2020, 3:00 pm
So, big DJ was correct all along.
Aren't the doo-gooders gunna hate that?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Nope, and nope.
On Sunday, the World Health Organisation announced it is discontinuing trials in hospitalised patients after the work failed to reduce mortality.

“These interim trial results show that hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir/ritonavir produce little or no reduction in the mortality of hospitalised COVID-19 patients when compared to standard of care,” the WHO said in a statement, referring to large multi-country trials that the agency is leading.
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Post by vincemunday » July 7, 2020, 4:24 pm

Spanish study casts doubt on herd immunity.

BBC News - Coronavirus: Spanish study casts doubt on herd immunity feasibility
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53315983
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Post by noosard » July 7, 2020, 5:48 pm

no herd immunity no vaccine anytime soon

what does that leave

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Post by vincemunday » July 7, 2020, 6:58 pm

Lots of dead people?
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Post by noosard » July 7, 2020, 7:44 pm

Dead people and broke people

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Post by AlexO » July 7, 2020, 9:01 pm

noosard wrote:
July 7, 2020, 7:44 pm
Dead people and broke people
What would you rather be??

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