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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by Whistler » April 15, 2021, 6:14 pm

Giggle wrote:
April 15, 2021, 1:04 pm
Still stewing over it, ladies?

Ha! Think about it.

Since December 26, 1991, the United States of America has been the sole global superpower leveraging its hegemony over the entire planet -- and space, too.

Chew it over, girls. Let it sink in. Slather it over yourselves. Soak in it. Sole. Global. Superpower.

USA USA USA! \:D/
20 years in Afghanistan and skulking off with tail between it's legs, never happened before....hang on..

Korea. Vietnam, Iraq, Syria...oh hum.


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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by tamada » April 15, 2021, 7:11 pm

Whistler wrote:
April 15, 2021, 6:14 pm
Giggle wrote:
April 15, 2021, 1:04 pm
Still stewing over it, ladies?

Ha! Think about it.

Since December 26, 1991, the United States of America has been the sole global superpower leveraging its hegemony over the entire planet -- and space, too.

Chew it over, girls. Let it sink in. Slather it over yourselves. Soak in it. Sole. Global. Superpower.

USA USA USA! \:D/
20 years in Afghanistan and skulking off with tail between it's legs, never happened before....hang on..

Korea. Vietnam, Iraq, Syria...oh hum.
Hey! Don't you ever malign the great US military machine and the day in 1983 when they invaded Grenada and kicked over a fruit stand.

Now, apologize!

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Post by Whistler » April 15, 2021, 7:25 pm

Tam,

That event was the pinnacle of Pentagon speak. I woke that morning in North Austin turned on the TV morning news and behold.

Some spokesmen with the obligatory medal festooned uniform announced. 'At oh fur thirty hours this mornin a vertical insertion of US troops occurred on the island of Grenada'. Classic!
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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by jackspratt » April 15, 2021, 7:34 pm

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
April 15, 2021, 1:03 am
Now, now we should not be throwing stones at Mr. Texpat. After all he provides exceptional commentary and pointed remarks to some of the holier than thou know everything posters. The Mighty Chang (Danny) tried, but he was not as articulate or as well versed in topics of the day.

Perhaps we need a Lone Wolf to balance things.
Apologies, Uncle - I did respond earlier.

But seems to have disappeared into the ether ......... along with numerous post covid economies. ;)

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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » April 15, 2021, 8:56 pm

And, in the ether it will stay. These things happen; however, it is somewhat of a tragedy that our banter will not be preserved for eternity.
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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » April 15, 2021, 8:59 pm

Whistler wrote:
April 15, 2021, 6:14 pm
Giggle wrote:
April 15, 2021, 1:04 pm
Still stewing over it, ladies?

Ha! Think about it.

Since December 26, 1991, the United States of America has been the sole global superpower leveraging its hegemony over the entire planet -- and space, too.

Chew it over, girls. Let it sink in. Slather it over yourselves. Soak in it. Sole. Global. Superpower.

USA USA USA! \:D/
20 years in Afghanistan and skulking off with tail between it's legs, never happened before....hang on..

Korea. Vietnam, Iraq, Syria...oh hum.
Don't forget the greatest failure of all the invasion of British North America (Upper Canada) in 1812. Yes, the U.S. did burn York (Toronto) a few times, but we got to burn Washington in return.
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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by Whistler » April 15, 2021, 9:11 pm

At least America won the Civil War. 😎
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Post by papafarang » April 15, 2021, 9:31 pm

tamada wrote:
April 15, 2021, 7:11 pm
Whistler wrote:
April 15, 2021, 6:14 pm
Giggle wrote:
April 15, 2021, 1:04 pm
Still stewing over it, ladies?

Ha! Think about it.

Since December 26, 1991, the United States of America has been the sole global superpower leveraging its hegemony over the entire planet -- and space, too.

Chew it over, girls. Let it sink in. Slather it over yourselves. Soak in it. Sole. Global. Superpower.

USA USA USA! \:D/
20 years in Afghanistan and skulking off with tail between it's legs, never happened before....hang on..

Korea. Vietnam, Iraq, Syria...oh hum.
Hey! Don't you ever malign the great US military machine and the day in 1983 when they invaded Grenada and kicked over a fruit stand.

Now, apologize!
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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by tamada » April 15, 2021, 9:33 pm

Back on topic... Ploughman's Lunch?

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by papafarang » April 16, 2021, 5:02 am

tamada wrote:
April 15, 2021, 9:33 pm
Back on topic... Ploughman's Lunch?
I get the feeling your in need of pork pie ?
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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by tamada » April 16, 2021, 7:21 am

papafarang wrote:
April 16, 2021, 5:02 am
tamada wrote:
April 15, 2021, 9:33 pm
Back on topic... Ploughman's Lunch?
I get the feeling your in need of pork pie ?
Yes, I admit to being hungry and posting in the wrong thread. Then again it could have been the large, post-prandial screwdriver(s).

Now I'm just keeping the seat warm until Niggly gets up and takes over.

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Post by Niggly » April 16, 2021, 7:52 am

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April 16, 2021, 7:21 am

Yes, I admit to being hungry and posting in the wrong thread. Then again it could have been the large, post-prandial screwdriver(s).

Now I'm just keeping the seat warm until Niggly gets up and takes over.

...or KP.
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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by pipoz4444 » April 20, 2021, 2:55 pm

I do realize that this is Thaivisa and that they are not the most reliable source of information, but it does seem to reflect the attitude of many (in this case the Chinese, probably others). It looks like Thailand is still in for a very rough ride, particularly their Tourism and connected industries, for the rest of 2021.

Points 2, 5, 7 and 8, are in my mind and I dare say others.

Whilst I may not be your "A" Typical Chinese Tourist, \:D/ \:D/ , Points 2, 5 and or 7, being that incoming Quarantine would need to end or be drastically reduced in Day numbers, before I would get of my arse to come back to Thailand as a Tourist. With Thailand now supposedly indicating they will hold their ASQ measures in place until July this year, I have pushed my expectation of a trip back, a further 3 months to somewhere in July 2021, at best. It is just not worth the effort at this time. :-k :-k and I can stay where I am and get paid to sit here. \:D/

So lest assume that Thailand will have very few short visit Tourist returning in the immediate future and also assume Thailand get their current outbreak under control and that they restrict further outbreaks and that they manage to roll out their Vaccination programme in the month of June 2021 and achieve a 50% Vaccination of the population, by end August 2021 (3 months of jabs - a bit optimistic), then all going well the first real return of the short visit Tourists in any real numbers will be October 2021, when it starts to get cold in the northern Hemisphere.

That's pretty rough on the Tourism industry for another 5 - 6 months :-k


Extract from TV, full Link below: A survey conducted among people in China has revealed that Chinese tourists want to come back to Thailand.

1. But the overwhelming majority are waiting for Thailand to vaccinate most of its people before making a decision.

2. Quarantine would need to end with more than a third saying even then they would wait SIX MONTHS before returning to Thailand.

3. The survey done online from the Thai China Intelligence Center at the start of April came as Thailand was in the grip of a third wave of Covid-19 infection.

4. And at a time when less than 1% of the Thai population had been vaccinated. The government has said that most people will need to wait until June at least and jabs at private hospitals are yet to get going.

5. And quarantine for foreign tourists remains in place at least until July and possibly longer.

6. The survey indicated that 93% of Chinese people were taking the vaccine rollout into account in their decision to holiday in Thailand.

7. 33% of people said they wanted to see 70% of the Thai population vaxxed before returning, while 28% said half the population would be okay.

8. 77% said they would only come when quarantine was completely ended.

Noting that for Item 8 and the 77%, this was broken down revealing further interesting attitudes:

30% said they would wait between one and three months after the end of quarantine.

28% said they'd wait 4-6 months

36% said they wouldn't come to Thailand again until six months or more after the end of quarantine


https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/121443 ... paign=news

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by parrot » April 20, 2021, 3:59 pm

Over 25 years, we've generally planned our vacations back to the US 5 or 6 months ahead of time, making reservations 3-4 months out. Our daughter does pretty much the same thing, whether coming to Thailand or planning an overseas trip with her friends.
A few weeks ago, I was thinking Thailand might have a semblance of high season later this year. But with the latest wave and slow rollout of vaccinations here, I'm more doubtful of tourists returning this year. The idea of going on vacation in a few months and worrying about whether the situation will improve or remain stable before it's time to return.......not my idea of fun.
Two weeks ago the end of ASQ was in sight. Today? I wouldn't count on it. As long as there's ASQ, there will be COE through the embassy. That pretty much negates the idea of a 30-day, visa-free, hop-on-an-airplane vacation to Thailand.

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Post by Whistler » April 20, 2021, 5:42 pm

I would suggest that the narrative has now changed.

It is no long pre and post COVID, there are many more phases each with its own set of impacts on our world.

1. Phase one Covid we have all experienced over the past 12months plus,

2. Subsequent waves and new strains, this is still playing out and it looks as if these phases will be very protracted, its hard to think this will end this calendar year and may take 2 or even three years. Different parts of the world will experience different scenarios. I suspect the major division will be those who can roll out effective nation wide vaccines and the others. The Chinese vaccine seems to be a dud, if Thailand relies on that, heaven help us.

3. For at least then next year it will be mutations v's the drug companies, the ability of the drug companies to respond will determine how we live.

4. Total official death toll before the end of the year will probably top 4M, real death toll will be $5M

5. Thailand's tourism recovery is a very long way off, internal tourism will be stop/start as the subsequent infection waves materialise and regional lockdowns/restrictions are imposed.

6. The bhat will drop against most Western currencies. I think a lot as foreign reserves weaken,
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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by pipoz4444 » April 21, 2021, 4:27 pm

From a personal point, I would like the Thailand economic situation to remain uncertain and disrupted to a degree for another 15 months, say until July 2022. I am referring to its ability to recover, the pace at which businesses are permitted to and return to normality, along with some continuance of disruption of the Tourism industry and uncertainty to travel Thailand. I am not advocating for the continuance of Covid-19, but I do wish that that Thai economy will slow down much more and remain at a slower pace for the next 2 - 3 years.

The forecast and actuality of a slower economy will help pull that Thai Baht back, possibly to B 33-34 to the USD, and so create a better long term environment to attract encourage people to return to Thailand. If and when the travel industry around the world starts to crank up again, with many Countries opening up their borders at the same time, there will be a lot of competition for the Tourists. The last any Country wants when faced with a very a competitive tourist market, is an over-strong Currency, as Tourists will simply go elsewhere, short term and even maybe for good. Many Tourist are "Creatures of Habit" meaning they will only go back to places they like if they feel comfortable, where they feel they get value for money and pulling the Thai Baht back from the low 30’s to say 33.5 TB to the USD, will just make that in-country holiday spending go 10% further and appeal to those who are. Maybe even entice them to become repeat Tourists again.

A weaker Thai Baht will also help some of the other Thai industry sectors to recover, such as the Manufacturing and Exporting. Granted , it is a balancing act, between them Manufacturers and Exports having a better environment in which to recover and keeping the Tourism industry quiet. But you need the later, to help weaken that Thai Baht , in my view. From what I have read Thailand Exports of Goods & Services account for 2 /3 of its GDP, made up predominantly of machinery, electronic, automotive, chemical, plastic, textiles and these need to be sustained for Thai local employment, more so than Tourism. Tourism will eventually and always recover over time to some extent, but Factories stay shut for every once they lose their competitive edge.

Arguably Inflation would be also be lower and day to day prices for what one buys and spend on would not rise sharply, as some have done in the past 10 years since, in the Tourism industry as the industry cranked up from
11.74 M in 2004
15.94 M in 2010
24.81 m in 2014
32.53M in 2016
39.92 M in 2019

That’s a pretty step curve and not one that many Counties can match. That’s a 250% increase in Tourist umbers over the past 9 years

Thailand Tourist 2004-2020.png

Looking at some of the recent You-Tube posts, I can understand how a slower Phuket or Pattaya, would appeal to many already living in Thailand, and how it would possibly attract a better group of Tourist, to a place less crowded with "Sightseers" and one where people stayed longer and spent more per day. There are a lot of "Sightseer Grubs" on the You-Tube posts in both Phuket or Pattaya. =; =; Tell me that I am wrong. :fryingpan: :yikes:

Likewise, a slower Thai economy over the next 15-20 months, will hopefully cool down the Thai Condo Property market, forcing some developers to suspend their Development in the short term and others to lower /discount their prices, hence possibly removing some of the over-supply of the newer Condo Properties sale from Market, particularly if the Thai Baht also weakens. Speculation will reduce and it is a good thing to slow a Property market down at any opportunity. Just look at the lunacy going on in property market in Sydney, Melbourne and elsewhere in Australia at present.

A healthy economy is one that grows steadily and have resilient industries over many sectors which can sustain impact to some extend from outside event, such as Covid-19. Having too much dependence on Tourism is not a good way to grow your domestic economy, as it adds little long term value to it. It’s a bit like living off earnings from a Casino, it great while you are winning, but not so greet after you bet and lose your house. [-(

Just my spiel for today and I wish for a slower pace in Thailand, over the coming few years. \:D/ \:D/

Now back to the day job. :confused: if I can remember what it is.

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by pipoz4444 » May 6, 2021, 8:42 pm

Some things will never change, even during Covid 19 and most likely well after most of the Covid 19 impact, has left us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUg8VAl2G9E

S B will always be a swimming pool at this time of year, no matter how hard the Thai Roads & Drainage try?? \:D/ \:D/

You also have to love how the Thai stand knee deep in water, it is so natural to them, like "Ducks in a Pond" =D> =D>

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by pipoz4444 » May 17, 2021, 1:03 pm

Todays Worldometer Numbers on Populations and Health

World Population is still increasing at Net 83,000 per day and predicted to be + 30.366 Million for the Year


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Post by pipoz4444 » May 17, 2021, 1:10 pm

Probably not the right place to post, but WTF =;

Worldometer numbers for Thailand Covid 19, Daily New Cases in Thailand, as of 15 May 2021

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... /thailand/

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Post by pipoz4444 » May 17, 2021, 2:11 pm

A look at Thailand's Economy outlook for 2021, and a more realistic prediction of only some 2 Million Tourists in Year 2021. Even achieving this, mainly between October 2021 (when they possibly lift AQS) and end of 2021, will be difficult, especially if the visiting Countries have their out issues to deal with and own restrictions in place. 2 Million for the year is a long way short of the 40 Million of 2019.

Nevertheless, a prediction that the Thai Economy will still grow by around 2.3%, driven by export increases, even with that Thai Baht hovering around B 31 to the USD. However this does not reflect the damage to the small businesses owners, who aren't Export driven and solely rely on Domestic trade, much of it from those absent Tourists.

Thai Baht Rate: If the event of 2021 to date with the new wave of Covid-19 and the now reality of only 2 Million Tourist during the remainder of Year 2021, and Thailand's economy growth hanging its hopes on a boost in Exports, doesn't manage to rock the Thai Baht (from todays B 31.4 to the USD) back to near on B 33 to the USD, then nothing ever will :-k :-k

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Thailand's Economy Outlook for 2021 Extract: UPDATE 1-Thai finance ministry slashes GDP outlook over coronavirus return. By Orathai Sriring, Kitiphong Thaichareon

* 2021 GDP growth cut to 2.3% from 2.8% seen earlier
* Raises 2021 exports to +11% from 6.2%
* Sees only 2 mln foreign tourists vs 5 mln anticipated (Adds detail, quotes)

BANGKOK, April 29 (Reuters) - Thailand’s finance ministry on Thursday reduced its 2021 economic growth forecast for a second time this year to 2.3% from 2.8% growth, after a third wave of coronavirus infections struck the tourism-reliant nation this month.

Thailand’s latest COVID-19 outbreak has seen half of its overall cases reported this month alone and came as the Southeast Asian country was preparing to reopen more broadly to foreign tourists, as vaccinations increase globally.

The ministry slashed its forecast for the number of foreign tourists to only 2 million this year from 5 million it had predicted three months ago, senior ministry official Kulaya Tantitemit told a briefing.

That compares to nearly 40 million in 2019, before the pandemic hit.

The expected fewer tourists “will have quite an impact” as that will cut tourism money to just over 100 billion baht ($3.2 billion) from 260 billion baht previously projected, she said.

Tourism generally accounts for 12% of gross domestic product (GDP) and foreign visitors tumbled to 6.7 million last year. The nearly 40 million tourists of 2019 spent 1.91 trillion baht ($61.14 billion).
Kulaya said inoculations at home and abroad could provide some support.


https://www.reuters.com/article/thailan ... NL1N2MM09Y

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... t-currency


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