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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by jackspratt » March 26, 2021, 8:48 pm

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A police report was made resulting in my colleague being charged with rape. Thankfully, the investigators were able to confirm via the venue’s CCTV system that the lady was clearly observed to be rubbing my colleague in the groin area on the outside of his clothing. The charge of rape was dismissed and she was subsequently charged and convicted with perjury.
Can you please confirm that your colleague was prosecuted for rape, despite the CCTV evidence?

And during that court case, the complainant committed perjury, and was subsequently charged with that offence, and convicted?

I imagine that such scandalous conduct would have been reported by diligent media court reporters ...... a link would confirm all you say.



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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by Whistler » March 26, 2021, 9:31 pm

Jack, don't expect a response. The the DPP are very wary about prosecuting rape cases for a number of reasons, most often as proof regarding consent is difficult to prove. If there was CCTV evidence it would not have waited till a court case, it would have been found as part of any investigation. I might be wrong, but there is nothing on the internet about such a case in Newcastle NSW, nothing in the past 20 odd years. I suspect as you do, Tony is trying to justify his truly awful earlier post.

Austlii is a database of legal cases in Australia. There is no such case listed on that database
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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by stattointhailand » March 26, 2021, 9:41 pm

Could be something in here, it just needs a name and its free for 7 days

https://newspaperarchive.com/browse/au/

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by tamada » March 26, 2021, 9:46 pm

Whistler wrote:
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... This second hand experience makes you an expert on what happened to Brittany Hughes? Y
^^ It's Brittany HIGGINS, not Hughes.

Sheesh...

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by Whistler » March 26, 2021, 9:46 pm

Higgins, Higgins, Higgins....sorry Tam
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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by tamada » March 26, 2021, 9:52 pm

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March 26, 2021, 9:31 pm
Jack, don't expect a response. The the DPP are very wary about prosecuting rape cases for a number of reasons, most often as proof regarding consent is difficult to prove. If there was CCTV evidence it would not have waited till a court case, it would have been found as part of any investigation. I might be wrong, but there is nothing on the internet about such a case in Newcastle NSW, nothing in the past 20 odd years. I suspect as you do, Tony is trying to justify his truly awful earlier post.

Austlii is a database of legal cases in Australia. There is no such case listed on that database
Since Parliament House in Canberra appears to have an archaic sign-in system for visitors that for now appears to be too difficult to browse through to confirm if Tom, Dick or Harry were ever in the building let alone if Brittany's 'date' gave her a big dry one up the ort in the Defence Minister's office, I guess it's a total stretch to expect that any CCTV systems are installed.

Edit. It does appear that CCTV is installed and working as they recorded the hurried departure of Miss Higgin's 'date' less than an hour after they had checked in at the short-time love hotel....sorry, Parliament House.
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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by jackspratt » March 26, 2021, 9:52 pm

Whistler wrote:
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Jack, don't expect a response.
I don't.

The questions were rhetorical, but needed to be asked nonetheless.

tamada picked it earlier today.

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by tamada » March 26, 2021, 10:11 pm

Looks like the alleged and still legally publicly unidentified rapist checked himself into a Sydney hospital last month.

"A source said the man had not self harmed, but was concerned and had sought psychiatric care."

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 0838da17a9

With a bit of luck for the PM, he may top himself and thus be able to use the Abetz "dead people don't lie" AG defense.

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by Whistler » March 26, 2021, 10:19 pm

tamada wrote:
March 26, 2021, 9:52 pm
Whistler wrote:
March 26, 2021, 9:31 pm
Jack, don't expect a response. The the DPP are very wary about prosecuting rape cases for a number of reasons, most often as proof regarding consent is difficult to prove. If there was CCTV evidence it would not have waited till a court case, it would have been found as part of any investigation. I might be wrong, but there is nothing on the internet about such a case in Newcastle NSW, nothing in the past 20 odd years. I suspect as you do, Tony is trying to justify his truly awful earlier post.

Austlii is a database of legal cases in Australia. There is no such case listed on that database
Since Parliament House in Canberra appears to have an archaic sign-in system for visitors that for now appears to be too difficult to browse through to confirm if Tom, Dick or Harry were ever in the building let alone if Brittany's 'date' gave her a big dry one up the ort in the Defence Minister's office, I guess it's a total stretch to expect that any CCTV systems are installed.
The signins are other than archaic. I did a review of the security staff rostering system about 15 years ago so spent a lot of time with APH at the time. Metal detectors and tight security even during business hours. I was never there out of hours but it was tight even then. Some clown drove his 4WD into the building a while earlier prompting a very tight entry set of rdgulations. I had to have security badges to non public areas, pin based security locks all over the place, it was pretty tight.
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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by tamada » March 26, 2021, 10:32 pm

Whistler wrote:
March 26, 2021, 10:19 pm
tamada wrote:
March 26, 2021, 9:52 pm
Whistler wrote:
March 26, 2021, 9:31 pm
Jack, don't expect a response. The the DPP are very wary about prosecuting rape cases for a number of reasons, most often as proof regarding consent is difficult to prove. If there was CCTV evidence it would not have waited till a court case, it would have been found as part of any investigation. I might be wrong, but there is nothing on the internet about such a case in Newcastle NSW, nothing in the past 20 odd years. I suspect as you do, Tony is trying to justify his truly awful earlier post.

Austlii is a database of legal cases in Australia. There is no such case listed on that database
Since Parliament House in Canberra appears to have an archaic sign-in system for visitors that for now appears to be too difficult to browse through to confirm if Tom, Dick or Harry were ever in the building let alone if Brittany's 'date' gave her a big dry one up the ort in the Defence Minister's office, I guess it's a total stretch to expect that any CCTV systems are installed.
The signins are other than archaic. I did a review of the security staff rostering system about 15 years ago so spent a lot of time with APH at the time. Metal detectors and tight security even during business hours. I was never there out of hours but it was tight even then. Some clown drove his 4WD into the building a while earlier prompting a very tight entry set of rdgulations. I had to have security badges to non public areas, pin based security locks all over the place, it was pretty tight.
You say tight security but that was maybe fifteen years ago? In the current quest to find out if the alleged rapist has been able to access Parliament House under his new employment and after he was fired in 2019 for a "security breach", the hand-written sign-in system has repeatedly been touted as being an obstacle to quickly verifying this. I believe the PM's office has also given the same excuse.

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by Barney » March 27, 2021, 10:28 am

ON THIS DAY – 27th March

1838 – Edward John Eyre named Lake Hindmarsh in South Australia.

1848 – A brutal murder was committed in colonial Brisbane, but the murderer's legacy eventually leads to the founding of the University of Queensland. On the morning of 27 March 1848, residents discovered there had been a brutal murder in their midst. While a local cook was arrested, and subsequently hanged, it was later revealed that the wrong man had been convicted. Patrick Mayne was a local butcher who had committed the murder and stolen the money in order to establish his own shop. Mayne went on to become one of the settlement's wealthiest people and an excellent businessman, and he was later elected to Brisbane's first municipal council. Following a deathbed confession of the murder in 1865, it transpired that Mayne suffered from schizophrenia, and had violent tendencies. His children were ostracised, and several suffered from mental illness also. Using their father's wealth, two of the children, James and Mary, donated the land upon which the prestigious University of Queensland now stands. There remains some doubt as to whether Patrick Mayne did actually commit the murder. Regardless, the man's legacy lives on in the University of Queensland.

1914 – Eighteen people died in the shipwreck of the steamship Saint Paul at Cape Moreton, Queensland.

1939 – The first CAC Wirraway training aircraft, A20-3 took to the air at Fishermans Bend, Victoria. The CAC Wirraway (an Aboriginal word meaning "challenge") was a training and general-purpose military aircraft manufactured in Australia by the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation (CAC) between 1939 and 1946.

1969 – ‘2000 Weeks’ (directed by Tim Burstall) is released. The film was one of the first features of the modern era in Australian cinema, although it was received poorly both critically and commercially.

1986 – The Russell Street bombing took place at the headquarters of Victoria Police in Melbourne. A police constable, Angela Taylor was killed. The first female police officer killed in the line of duty in Australia.

1987 – The Brisbane Bears (now the Brisbane Lions) made their debut in the VFL. At the MCG, the Bears upset North Melbourne 19.23.137 to 15.12.104.

1998 – Darwin finally gets a second commercial television station when TND-34 opened, taking a Seven Network affiliation.

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by pipoz4444 » March 27, 2021, 1:20 pm

Hardly a "Ray of Sunshine", more like a "Dark thunder storm cloud", but I posted it here because it relates to Australia and the Australian Lifestyle.

There are worst things out there than Covid-19, at least for Australians. They are, Australian Healthcare and the Australian Governments (Federal and State, labor and liberal). They are more likely to kill you, before Covid-19 does. :-k

As for the Australia's leading causes of death, 2019, the key statistics, indicate that the two top killers are
1.Ischaemic heart disease was the leading cause of death, accounting for 10.8% of all deaths
2.Dementia overtook lung cancer as the 2nd leading cause of death for males

Also interesting is how many people still died from Influenza and Pneumonia in 2019, before Covid-19, and even though we supposedly have the medicine and treatment to manage both Influenza and Pneumonia (I am not a Doctor). Still some 4,124 people succumbed to effect of Influenza and or Pneumonia in 2019, vs the 909 No deaths that have been attributed to the effects of Covid-19 over the past 12 months.

I do realize that this is a simplistic comparison of several numbers, but I don't have any build up (age, etc.) as to what really factored into the 4,124 Deaths from Influenza and Pneumonia. Also interesting is that 3,903 died from disease of the urinary system and even 2,177 for hypertensive diseases, again more than the Covid-19 effect. I am sure that when they publish the statistics for 2020-2021, for the leading causes of deaths in Australia, that deaths from Covid-19 will Rank at No 25 - 30.

Numbers and Percentages, of causes of death for 2019
There were 169,301 registered and received deaths in Australia in 2019, an increase of 6.8% (10,808) from 2018.
1.52.2% of deaths were male (88,346) and 47.8% of deaths were female (80,955).
2.The median age at death was 81.7 years (78.8 for males, 84.8 for females).

The top five leading causes that account for more than 1/3 of all registered deaths, for 2019, were as follows,
1. Ischaemic heart disease.
2.Dementia, including Alzheimer's disease was the second leading cause of death and had the highest median age at death at 89.1 (equal with cardiac arrhythmias).
3.Cerebrovascular diseases, Cancer of the trachea, bronchus and lung and Chronic lower respiratory diseases round out the top five leading causes.
4.Influenza and pneumonia was the 9th leading cause. Influenza deaths are linked to the severity of flu seasons which can drive changes in ranking each year.
5.Intentional self-harm was the 13th leading cause of death, with the lowest median age at death at 43.9.

Leading causes of death, Australia - selected years - 2010, 2014, 2019.PNG

Leading underlying causes of death, by sex, 2018.PNG

Sorry for being so morbid


I will just digress a bit onto another related subject, "Healthcare for the Australian Elderly & Sick", :-k

It would be nice to think that, what ($$$) the Australian Government has spent on fighting Covid-19 and what they have also allocated to other wasteful Programmes, during 2019 (of which their are a number), could have been better spent on protecting the Australian population, arguably by preventing some of these other causes of deaths and also to actually take better care of the Australian elderly & sick, population. :-$ :-k :-k

Maybe the Australian Government (from either side of the spectrum) could start by allocating Funds and a well targeted National Free Health campaign, to eradicate these other causes of death from the Australian population society and ensure their elderly were properly cared for, before they embarked on their donation sprees of the Australian Taxpayers funds, to overseas Aid programs, overseas Charities and Organizations, such as the UNFCCC.

The Government of the Day should be obliged allocate All available funding from the Taxpayer revenue, towards, Healthcare Progarmmes for the Australian population as a whole and especially for those within the Australian population who are most at risk (both the sick and the old), given that many of these people are the one who have already paid their taxes, over the many years. Sadly the Government does not prioritize Funding for their own people and you have to ask why not? [-(

The Australian elderly, should be entitled to live out their life in a high quality nursing home facility, with care or treatment facility in a dignified manner, regardless of whether that individual is wealthy of not and regardless of whether he or she has the funds to pay for it. It should be a given and not a burden on the individual or their families.

AUSTRALIAN BUDGET:
In the 2020 Australian Budget the The Australia's Official Development Assistance (ODA) has allocated AU $4 billion in 2020–21 for overseas aid etc. :-k :-k LINK: https://www.devex.com/news/the-winners- ... dget-98255

In the 2020 Australian Budget, the Government says it will fund 23,000 new packages for older Australians waiting to receive at-home care, at a cost of $1.6bn. How generous of them

Why not spend the whole 6.0 Billion on the Australian population and elderly at a time when the Australian sick and elderly population, are at a greater risk of dying from Covid-19 and also from other contributing causes, and tell the UNFCCC, WHO and other useless World Organizations, to "Go F Themselves" for at least the next 12 months. :-k

Personally, I just do not see the Australian Governments of the Day, doing all that they should, to take care of their own people. But as individual Government Members they do a lot to take care of them selves. [-X [-X
Just my 2 cents worth.

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by Whistler » March 27, 2021, 5:28 pm

Pip.

You have done a lot of research and good for you to be so fact based.

My only suggestion is to compare those figures with other nations in the developed world. The health system in Australia is pretty good from my perspective, if there is a medical emergency very good indeed. If I had a car accident, I cannot think of any country that would provide a better emergency system than Oz.

Cause of death stats can be rubbery, Pneumonia is not called the old person friend for nothing, it may be listed as the cause of death, but it is the final onset for a raft of medical issues. Yes it can be cured amongst the relatively healthy but if you are very old with renal failure, heart problems etc, it is the final medical condition that is listed as the cause of death even though it is a complication from a degenerative condition. Bad hearts are less a hospital issue than a lifestyle issue, obesity with a diet high in fats and sugars drive up cardiac numbers its very hard for a cardiac specialist to save lives if the population lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

Health is a complex area for almost all countries, Australia is no exception. As for helping other nations, that has merit also. If the Western world abandons all help to developing, poorer countries, China will have an exclusive role and that will spell an awful lot of long term issues. Yes, Charity begins at home, but most developed countries have a conscience that supports charity abroad too. Australia has over 66,000 registered charities and Not-For-Profits, they get an awful lot of our GDP.

Up to the Australian people to decide at each election, the quite low rate of taxation in Australia is a political issue, if they were taxed like some Western European countries, Australia could cater for the aged a whole lot better, but as for now, the voting public is not willing to accept massive tax hikes. Australian governments of all persuasions face that balancing act.
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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by pipoz4444 » March 27, 2021, 8:35 pm

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Pip.

You have done a lot of research and good for you to be so fact based.

My only suggestion is to compare those figures with other nations in the developed world. The health system in Australia is pretty good from my perspective, if there is a medical emergency very good indeed. If I had a car accident, I cannot think of any country that would provide a better emergency system than Oz.

Health is a complex area for almost all countries, Australia is no exception. As for helping other nations, that has merit also. If the Western world abandons all help to developing, poorer countries, China will have an exclusive role and that will spell an awful lot of long term issues. Yes, Charity begins at home, but most developed countries have a conscience that supports charity abroad too. Australia has over 66,000 registered charities and Not-For-Profits, they get an awful lot of our GDP.
Australia only Ranks Ninth or thereabouts in one Health Care Index by Country as of 2021, but remember this is only broad based Index and does not necessarily reflect the performance of all sectors of it Healthcare. Not surprisingly, Asian countries such as Taiwan, Japan and South Korea rate much higher than Australia. Even some European countries such as France, Denmark, Spain and Austria do better by Index. Thailand ranks ahead of Australia, just.

Whilst have having an accident in a car might qualify you as a person in need, so does being Aged & Sick, and the Australian Health Care system operates differently for the Aged and Sick, to that of an emergency room. I personally would not rate a the performance of a health care system based on an experience in an emergency room, after a car accident, but then that is me. [-( [-(

Consider how the Australian Health Care system performs or doesn't perform, for those who are Aged/Elderly, especially when it comes to facilitating a place for them in Nursing home or caring for them at Home or addressing the Waiting Times for surgery (for the aged), before they need to have a car accident. It's a bit different.

Earlier this year, it was reported that for across all treatments in Australia, the average waiting time in an Australian public hospital was 39 days, however, some of the most common treatments have wait times of almost one year.

Last year a certain paper reported that,
1. It takes on average 152 days for a senior Australian citizen to be admitted to a Residential Age care facility, which was an increase of one months on the previous year’s average admission time.
2. That 40% of Senior Australian Citizens how have a waiting time of 9 month or more before they are admitted to a Residential Age care facility
3. That in 2012 -13, the 152 days (in item 1) was actually on average 40 Days
4. That for those seeking in-home care (predominantly elderly) the nationwide average waiting time before help arrived was 137 Day, compared to that back in 2012 -13 which was 73 days then.
5. That for those seeking in-home care , the average waiting time before help arrived was South Australia 221 days, Tasmania 213 days and Victoria 200 days.

These are not statistics that I would be proud of, not for a Country that supposedly prides itself on, its quality of life for all.

To quote an Australian Politician, (recently), which is something that I hate to do, but in this case, he/she got it right when he/she said, when talking about the Australian Healthcare system, “ Older Australian deserve our respect…………. and that some 30,000 older Australians have died in just 2 years while waiting for Care at home” =; [-(

In early February 2021, the Aged Care Royal Commission, released a Reports describing “The aged care system in Australia as “in a shocking tale of neglect”. It’s a very long report, and it does state that,
1. Too many old people are not getting the Home Care Package they need at the time and level they need it.
2. The amount funded for Home Care Packages, is insufficient to meet he needs of many people.
3. That on average aged people receiving the highest level of care at home only get 8 hours and 45 minutes of care per week, which hardly covers the fragile or partially disabled. And these are the luckier ones on the highest level of care. Pity the poorer or lesser ones.
4. That over the past decade the total care hours have declined, due to levels of funding and that in real terms the Government is now providing lesser funding to the programme.
5. The list goes on!!

I can only assume, that you didn’t have time to read this Report from your bed in the Emergency room. \:D/ \:D/

I don’t see much to crow about in the above Statistics and or the ACR Report.

We were once the Lucky Country and maybe we still are to a degree - A country without extreme poverty, as compared to many other Countries. We are also a Country where our Taxation system, is effective in securing revenue, better than many.

My previous post suggestion, was that the Revenue we collect could and should better be spent, on all of its citizen when in need, especially the Aged and the Sick, before we send it overseas. I think our Aged and Sick deserve it, more. :-k :-k

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by jackspratt » March 27, 2021, 9:06 pm

It's a shame you don't quote your sources regarding the Oz healthcare system, pippo.

You seem to be relying mainly on this one:

https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/rank ... ountry.jsp

Equally illuminating is this one:

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/austral ... ealth-data

I am struggling to see your moral equivalence between Australia's expenditure on health, and overseas aid.

For example, as you say earlier, the aid budget is about $4 billion per annum - which has been decreasing year by year for some time.

In comparison, the defence budget is about $42 billion this year, and projected to rise to $73 billion per year by the end of this decade - with total funding of $575 billion during that time.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... ding-plans

If more is to be spent on health, I know where I would prefer the redistribution to come from.

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by Whistler » March 27, 2021, 9:31 pm

Pip, I spent 11 months in hospital after a motorbike crash, the service I got was outstanding. Lots of metal, but I walk like a normal person, played a mean game of all aged squash until aged 65, have two functioning arms. If you did not see the scars, you would never guess how much was broken. Not just as a youngster, later I needed a complete knee reconstruction from the old injuries, I was snow skiing 9 months later. I have much to praise for the Australian health system.
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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

Post by pipoz4444 » March 27, 2021, 10:50 pm

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Pip, I spent 11 months in hospital after a motorbike crash, the service I got was outstanding. Lots of metal, but I walk like a normal person, played a mean game of all aged squash until aged 65, have two functioning arms. If you did not see the scars, you would never guess how much was broken. Not just as a youngster, later I needed a complete knee reconstruction from the old injuries, I was snow skiing 9 months later. I have much to praise for the Australian health system.
Pretty much the same W, but mine was only one month in the bed, plus 3 more in a wheel chair and another 3 of physio and on crutches. Who knows, one day when not debating/arguing on this Forum, we can trade X Rays, Scars and snapshots of the customary SS plates & screws, in the Bar with a Beer. :wave: Regret having lost my ability to kick a football though, but did get back on the bike. \:D/ \:D/

I have no doubt that we both enjoyed our time in the hospital. :-k :-k

Still as I said before, it is for the Aged and the Sick, not the accident prone, that I really believe the Australian Governments and existing Health Care system, falls shorts on.

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

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ON THIS DAY – 28th March

1837 – The Hoddle Grid of streets for the central business district was surveyed by Robert Hoddle.

1876 – Classes commenced at the University of Adelaide. Although informal classes for some subjects were held at the University between 1873 and 1875, the first official University lecture was a Latin lecture at 10 am on Monday 28 March 1876. The Bachelor of Arts (BA) was the first recognised degree at the University of Adelaide.

1885 – HMQS Gayundah arrived in Brisbane. The Captain refused to relinquish his command and is removed by a boarding party of Queensland Police.

1908 – Witches Falls, the world's third oldest national park, was declared the first National Park in Queensland.

1922 – Neville Bonner, the first Aboriginal parliamentarian, was born.

1942 – The first shipload of 8398 American servicemen arrived in Sydney for action in the Pacific theatre.

1982 – The Newtown Jets & Canterbury Bulldogs played out the only (to date) scoreless draw in NSWRL first grade history.

2017 – World's largest dinosaur footprint at 1.7 metres was found in Kimberley, Western Australia

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Re: A little ray of sunshine from Australia

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Whistler wrote:
March 26, 2021, 9:31 pm
Jack, don't expect a response. The the DPP are very wary about prosecuting rape cases for a number of reasons, most often as proof regarding consent is difficult to prove. If there was CCTV evidence it would not have waited till a court case, it would have been found as part of any investigation. I might be wrong, but there is nothing on the internet about such a case in Newcastle NSW, nothing in the past 20 odd years. I suspect as you do, Tony is trying to justify his truly awful earlier post.

Austlii is a database of legal cases in Australia. There is no such case listed on that database
Tony has gone to ground. Perjury is a rare crime to be prosecuted, it would have been all over the press and easily verifiable.

Been caught out with a porky, which makes his first post on this subject reprehensible in the extreme. A true mate of mickojak who considers rape a subject of humour, the only response is slut shaming. Others on here support them, don't we Barney?
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