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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by AlexO » February 27, 2021, 4:14 am

tamada wrote:
February 26, 2021, 7:08 pm
AlexO wrote:
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tamada wrote:
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February 26, 2021, 7:39 am
Johnson's current tenure was boosted by a not insignificant shift by traditional Labour voters seeking whatever it took to break the Brexit logjam. He also faces a significant challenge to the Union. Granted that the population is smaller and the demographics less complex but Scotland's First Minister has arguably done a better job of handling the people with regard to their pandemic policies.

Tam, noted that you covered your ass by say "arguably" . As per one of your earlier posts also claiming that Wee Nippy had "managed" the Pandemic better than Johnson without one specific action mentioned. I now throw the floor open to you to just give even 2 examples where the Great Shepherdess has either managed the Pandemic or handling the people better instead of just watching what GovUK does and copying. She has been quite clever at making sure her own personal image is being rammed down everyone in Scotland's throats each day but thats not going to save her in the Fat Salmond affair.

As a closer, sorry to see you go DM. Leave's less of us non Guardian worshipers to keep up the work of presenting a balanced view of our World.
There you go again Alex, trying to pigeonhole a non-Tory, non-nationalist, non-socialist.

Simple fact is that throughout the previous year of pandemic management, the CCQ (Covid Confusion Quotient) south of the border has always been several degrees of magnitude higher than it's ever been in Scotland or the other two countries in the Union. No vague promises of relaxing rules because they happen to have a Tory council or ignoring the strong arguments of a failed candidate for Labour leadership. No stupid notions akin to postcode quarantines and trying to give cities, counties and boroughs some sort of Covid-19 autonomy while allowing people to lose sight of the basic rules. Little England is quite little after all but maybe it's just that the Scots have a better handle on common sense.
Just asked for 2 examples and as usual received the usual wishy washy, use big words to show I read the Guardian nonsense without even one example to prove your claims. Agree with your observation about Scots and common sense, just hope upon hope that the Scots with common sense will realise that the Great Shepherdess is closer to Irish Republicanism than Scottish common sense.
You only need the one and I gave it already but it clearly went way, way over yer wee heid so here it is in shorter words so you can't pretend to be baffled and bigger text so that you don't miss it.

There's been negligible hand-wringing and gurning about confusing and contradictory government advice in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland because they make decisions and stick by them

or,

The endless hand-wringing and gurning about being confused is solely in England because of their wishy washy, flippy floppy rules and revisions thereof.

OMG! Would you look at that. There's the TWO examples you've been badgering me for.
Tam, sorry old chap but neither of your 'generalisations' are specific examples of how Wee Nippy has come anywhere near been 'better' at handling or management of the China Virus. I have yet to witness "hand wringing" or "gurning" (girning??) from any of the GOVUK managers. So please try again with specifics or are you going for the job of Press Sec. for Sir Starmer.



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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by AlexO » February 27, 2021, 7:33 am

Generally people are ******* or they are not, regardless of background, class, colour, ethnicity, sex, persuasion etc! Sometimes they get enlightened with time and change and sometimes they don't! If they live in a mire of ----, they generally can't see past it and can very rarely get out! Identity politics is BOLOX!
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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by tamada » February 27, 2021, 9:56 am

The gurning hand-wringers are the 12% and 22% of the UK's adult population we see being interviewed on BBC, ITV or SKY that respectively say they simply can't survive without going to the gym or the pub. As much as I despise 'Wee Nippy', she has not as you suggest simply parroted the uk.gov line on all aspects of managing health, commerce and education during the pandemic.

No need to feel sorry for you innate ability to find anything that detracts from your myopia so take a decko at these. They already embrace the difference in population and other demographics that I covered earlier. They don't slather the Scottish FM with great gobs of adulation either.

30 May 2020: YouGov Poll: More Brits think Scotland has handled coronavirus crisis better than England

"The poll by YouGov revealed most people in Britain think First Minister Nicola Sturgeon made the right decision to tighten the rules in Scotland just as Boris Johnson eased restrictions down south."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/184 ... r-england/

2 June 2020: Scotland’s coronavirus record flattered by contrasts with south

"Hugh Pennington, a microbiologist and emeritus professor at the University of Aberdeen, argued Ms Sturgeon was doing a better job of public messaging than Mr Johnson, holding televised briefings almost every day."

https://www.ft.com/content/a3fe315f-610 ... 66a7f33aa1

19 November 2020: Covid in Scotland: How do Scots rate their leaders in the pandemic?

"As many as 62% think the restrictions under which they have until now been living locally are "about right", while those who think that they are "too strict" (19%) is almost equally counterbalanced by those who feel they are not strict enough (17%)."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54973255

To keep it all fair and balanced, here's an opinion on the matter from the Torygraph.

6 October 2020: Why Scotland isn't faring much better than England despite Nicola Sturgeon's 'zero-Covid' approach

As a devolved issue, public health is a matter for devolved governments and this has led to a confusing and piecemeal set of regulations for the United Kingdom as a whole and a four-nation approach to the virus. Scotland's own lockdown stringency score - a single measure derived by the researchers from the entirety of a country's restrictions, from the closure of schools to stricter border controls - has been higher than England’s ever since in May.

Please note that The Guardian wasn't referenced to support this "Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister"

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Post by Niggly » February 27, 2021, 10:22 am

^ Wow, the big fonts have been brought out twice in as many days. Attaboy 👍
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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by stattointhailand » March 3, 2021, 9:44 pm

Is there no depths to which this lot will sink?
Noticed Keir even managed to ask the Chancellor how he felt about his "neighbour" spending so much on upgrading his flat, but stopped short of asking for a charity donation :lol:


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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by vlad » March 4, 2021, 4:26 am

Your not giving the thread any real chance are you Statts all you do is attack the goverment if you like what your seeing move on and ignore it.

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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by vlad » March 4, 2021, 4:36 am

Don't supposevyou will Acknowledge our World beating Furlough Scheme where Every employee is paid 80% of there wage instead of being laid off or the goverments giving out free laptops to poor familys who can't afford them what other Country is doing this.

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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by stattointhailand » March 4, 2021, 11:00 am

If Bojo & Co hadn't a*sed up the CV response there would not have been any need for kids to do "home schooling" in the first place.

BTW ....... great idea in budget ......

"Announcing his budget in the Commons, Sunak said when firms invest, his new policy would see them reduce their tax bill by 130% of the cost."

Receipe for mass corruption or what?

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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by Niggly » March 4, 2021, 11:11 am

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giving out free laptops to poor familys who can't afford them what other Country is doing this.
For what its worth, I object to my taxes (yes I do pay taxes in the UK) being used to give shysters freebies on the back of COVID. No doubt there are actually some worthy causes but the people I know certainly didn't deserve the handouts
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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

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vlad wrote:
March 4, 2021, 4:36 am
Don't supposevyou will Acknowledge our World beating Furlough Scheme where Every employee is paid 80% of there wage instead of being laid off or the goverments giving out free laptops to poor familys who can't afford them what other Country is doing this.
For the 1st part - numerous countries, including Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, Germany, France etc etc

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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by tamada » March 4, 2021, 12:17 pm

vlad wrote:
March 4, 2021, 4:36 am
Don't supposevyou will Acknowledge our World beating Furlough Scheme where Every employee is paid 80% of there wage instead of being laid off or the goverments giving out free laptops to poor familys who can't afford them what other Country is doing this.
You'll have to excuse me vlad. I am still trying to get over the "world beating track and trace system" and "the most rigorous border controls in the world."

Then we'll have a stab at Raab's world beating foreign aid package.

Anyone still dissatisfied with the world beating trade deal masquerading as Brexit yet?
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PS: Paying people to stay home and binge on Netflix isn't really the great way forward either.

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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by stattointhailand » March 4, 2021, 2:07 pm

tam, stop taking the p*** outa Brexit, you can see that there were bound to be some "teething problems".
We've now got hundreds of trucks going from UK to Europe empty, and an immigrant and lower class population that is on or below the "bread line". Now all we need is for Priti Patel to design a scheme to get the "foreigners" to get into the empty lorries and Brexit has worked as planned by many Brexiteers

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Post by vlad » March 4, 2021, 3:00 pm

Most of the Freebies are donated or destined for the skip Niggle there not exactly Asus or PB lappies, there reconned but are better than nothing. This thread has just become a brit bashing thread so i will leave you to bash on.

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Most of the Freebies are donated or destined for the skip Niggle
That’s news to me & judging by the gov.uk guidance page they’d be relying on lots of donations (from who, I don’t know). Anything to support that they’re donated or destined for the skip? I personally think they’re from a government contract awarded to supply them new like all other school devices but unsurprisingly can’t find any supporting statement to confirm this.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/get-laptops ... s-covid-19
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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by AlexO » March 5, 2021, 7:08 am

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tam, stop taking the p*** outa Brexit, you can see that there were bound to be some "teething problems".
We've now got hundreds of trucks going from UK to Europe empty, and an immigrant and lower class population that is on or below the "bread line". Now all we need is for Priti Patel to design a scheme to get the "foreigners" to get into the empty lorries and Brexit has worked as planned by many Brexiteers
Oh Woah, the worshipers of the Guardian have 'woke' up. Of course we were all wrong. How could we ever make a decision without referring to the Guardian first. Did anyone think the French/German Alliance was going to make it easy??????

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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by AlexO » March 5, 2021, 3:19 pm

stattointhailand wrote:
March 4, 2021, 2:07 pm
tam, stop taking the p*** outa Brexit, you can see that there were bound to be some "teething problems".
We've now got hundreds of trucks going from UK to Europe empty, and an immigrant and lower class population that is on or below the "bread line". Now all we need is for Priti Patel to design a scheme to get the "foreigners" to get into the empty lorries and Brexit has worked as planned by many Brexiteers
Given that the EU 'exports billions of quid's worth of goods more to us than we to them, you dont need to be a Rocket Scientist to work out that there will be less trucks carrying a load back to the EU. Interesting that you now call the highly educated and skilled immigrant workforce we are so dependent on for the survival of the UK the same as our "lower class" Not everyone can be a Civil Servant with sick leave and pensions.

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Re: A Scathing Indictment of the UK Prime Minister

Post by stattointhailand » March 6, 2021, 10:10 pm

vlad wrote:
March 4, 2021, 4:36 am
Don't supposevyou will Acknowledge our World beating Furlough Scheme where Every employee is paid 80% of there wage instead of being laid off or the goverments giving out free laptops to poor familys who can't afford them what other Country is doing this.
Think it's really nice of the govt to buy laptops for the poor kids that cant afford them, using taxpayers money of course.
A doubt that it will surprise too many to find out that the wife of the owner of the company that were given the contract (about 100m quid) to provide the laptops (without tender) made a "donation of over 100,000 pounds to Tory party funds prior to the last election ..... coincidence of course =;

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stattointhailand wrote:
March 6, 2021, 10:10 pm
vlad wrote:
March 4, 2021, 4:36 am
Don't supposevyou will Acknowledge our World beating Furlough Scheme where Every employee is paid 80% of there wage instead of being laid off or the goverments giving out free laptops to poor familys who can't afford them what other Country is doing this.
Think it's really nice of the govt to buy laptops for the poor kids that cant afford them, using taxpayers money of course.
A doubt that it will surprise too many to find out that the wife of the owner of the company that were given the contract (about 100m quid) to provide the laptops (without tender) made a "donation of over 100,000 pounds to Tory party funds prior to the last election ..... coincidence of course =;
vlad wrote:
March 4, 2021, 3:00 pm
Most of the Freebies are donated or destined for the skip Niggle there not exactly Asus or PB lappies, there reconned but are better than nothing. This thread has just become a brit bashing thread so i will leave you to bash on.
Try & keep up at the back Statts. The laptops were destined for the skip, nothing to do with 100m GBP contracts or party fund donations.
It’s all above board, no coincidences here, please move along now
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Post by stattointhailand » March 6, 2021, 11:42 pm

"Computacenter Ltd was chosen by the Department for Education to deliver 230,000 laptops to vulnerable pupils after the Covid school lockdowns."
"Sir Philip Hulme, who remains a non-executive director and shareholder, has previously donated thousands to the Conservative Party.

During the run-up to the general election, Hulme’s wife, Janet Hulme, gave the party £100,000.

"The DfE has handed Computacenter £96 million worth of contracts this year.

In April, it was awarded £60 million to provide 230,000 laptops to disadvantaged pupils with no access to equipment during the pandemic schools shutdown.

It received a further £6.3 million in June to supply 4G wireless routers to these children.

The scheme came under fire after it was revealed 540,000 were actually eligible for the equipment – more than double the allocated amount.

In August the DfE announced it would be providing an additional 150,000 free laptops to pupils who cannot attend school due to coronavirus, with Computacenter receiving a £27m contract to deliver this.

Seems a f*ing lot of money for cr*p destined for the skip

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Post by Khun Paul » March 7, 2021, 5:56 am

Yes I agree , it is a lot of money spent on stuff for the poor disadvantaged children, together with all the benefits and cash given to useless parents that have children to get Child support , almost free homes etc etc, the list is endless . Money given to these people is often squandered, when I started working I noticed that those on benefits had better cars, TV's etc, that I had to save to buy. The rot started when Child benefit was changed from Second plus child to first, free homes were given to unmarried mothers or females NOT married ever but had a child , since then those without got those who had jobs and sensible working people had to really in some cases struggled to acquire.
I nave never claimed in my life and proud of that but those that expect this and that who have never lifted a finger to work or get anything, should in my book get sod all. Level up the country, let us start there. No work sod off. Unless there are strict reasons why you cannot work or you are a mother, trying hard, not as some just a baby factory churning oput kids just to get a better house or to increase benefits.;

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