Posting Etiquette - inc styles, rants & responses

Post by **aznyron** » October 9, 2009, 6:08 pm

what is so terrible wrong with living in your home country. If I had a loving wife in USA I would be still in the USA if my wife was a thai lady then I could see coming here and getting your feet wet. maybe I am missing some thing but I do not see the excitement of living here. it hot dirty. you can not drink the water. the people do not like you. every one is trying to scam you. the food sucks. there no decent TV programs for expats at least not for me. and the icing on the cake is for us brits & Yanks with being screwed over by exchange rate wether it realistic or a scam it still hurts. and then it the immigration ordeal every 90 days you have to check in to see the warden of the prison like being on parole checking in with your parole officer and showing him you have a job. all this for a piece of ass. Yes I am guilty of it. as I look back all I have to say is I am idiot to give up what I had for this place. Now I have a wife if I did not love her I would be gone. sadly I burned my bridges behind me I have nothing in the USA. I would be at the mercy of my Children if I went back now. my advice to Aussie & Yanks buy your self a motor home tour your country live free when the time comes you will die peaceably as for you Brits you can always go to the states and do the same Look over those Montana skies in July visit the skyline in N.Y in the spring go swimming on the Santa Monica beach CA stop in Las vegas for some wild excitement at the casino's.
there is so much to do in the States and places to visit and yes I am home sick after 5 years of this place
enough of my B/S I just thought I would wake you up from the night mare of coming here

Post by **RALPHCUSENS** » October 9, 2009, 6:18 pm

OK Ronnie,

Is it that time of the month again? or did you get out of the wrong side of the bed again? or has the $ dropped another .5 of a baht? only joking mate! see you at the NM tomorrow

Post by **red67** » October 10, 2009, 12:21 am

aznyron if you don,t like it off you pop ,or as we say in england jog on .stop moaning or accept it or better still go back to the states

Post by **Ter** » October 10, 2009, 1:56 am

Hi Red67,I don't speak for Ron as we have never met in person, I am sure yourself you have good and bad days and sometimes the grass looks greener and things get you down be it political or otherwise. One of the good things about this forum is at times you can vent spleen and put your thoughts out there....believe me it helps. I don't think Ron means anything bad and it is healthy to speak your mind just like you have, none of us are the same thank god.

Post by **BKKSTAN** » October 10, 2009, 7:55 am

red67 wrote:aznyron if you don,t like it off you pop ,or as we say in england jog on .stop moaning or accept it or better still go back to the states

For people living in the 21rst Century,it is a known fact that venting your feelings amomgst ''friends'' or people that might have some of your same experiences,is therapuetic!

Intelligent people have advanced in their enlightenment aboutthis subject,those that always have to say,''if you dnn't like it,move on'',are usually those that like to deny their feelings because they are overwhelmed from trying to deal with them and are probably ''stopped up'' and lack any self identity!

I know Ron,he is is rough and ready and old as sin

,but I would bet he is one of those people that you could count on in a real time of need!!!

And if he needs to verbalize his frustrations,whether I agree with him or not,I honor and respect his doing so!

Post by **arjay** » October 10, 2009, 8:00 am

it is a known fact that venting your feelings amomgst ''friends'' or people that might have some of your same experiences,is therapuetic!

And if he needs to verbalize his frustrations,whether I agree with him or not,I honor and respect his doing so!

Agreed, .... but that doesn't mean that people have to do it on here, on a public forum. :-"

Post by **seymourbutts** » October 10, 2009, 8:08 am

Ron has opposing views to many on here about 9/11, he also has opposing views to people who live in miserable uk thinking he should tell everybody every day he is so gratefull for being able to live in udon,,, because they cant!!! I agree stan he and all of us make up this forum, if we didnt have different views it would be pretty boring wouldnt it?? and maybe a bit of leeway woulkd go a long way here...

After all you people dont have to buy earplugs for tonight to listen to him going on and on and on and on!!!

so for us its better he lets it off here!!!

Post by **BKKSTAN** » October 10, 2009, 8:22 am

arjay wrote:
it is a known fact that venting your feelings amomgst ''friends'' or people that might have some of your same experiences,is therapuetic!
And if he needs to verbalize his frustrations,whether I agree with him or not,I honor and respect his doing so!
Agreed, .... but that doesn't mean that people have to do it on here, on a public forum. :-"

No,they ''don't have to'',but for those that object,I would really like to hear their reasoning!

IMO,the main contributors to this forum are not an anonymous bunch,but a small group of expats and others connected by marriage/relationship to Udon,therefore it is a very ''social type forum'',exactly the reason that I am a member,not just a perusor as I am on other forums,and in our ''social communications'',we service some of are own needs along with the needs of the forum as a business and the thousands of sign up members that popped on once or twice /or never posted a contribution!

Does the fact that it is a ''public forum'' make some kind of difference?Are we so assimilated ,that ''Face'' is a main concern or is that an English trait also?(only mentioned ''English''because it was objected to by English)

Post by **BKKSTAN** » October 10, 2009, 8:26 am

arjay wrote:
it is a known fact that venting your feelings amomgst ''friends'' or people that might have some of your same experiences,is therapuetic!
And if he needs to verbalize his frustrations,whether I agree with him or not,I honor and respect his doing so!
Agreed, .... but that doesn't mean that people have to do it on here, on a public forum. :-"

Of course they ''don't have to'',but I would be interested in the reasoning behind not doing it on a public forum!

Post by **seymourbutts** » October 10, 2009, 8:37 am

Stan i believe we are both right here.... arjay is right and to the the letter of the law, is it in the "spirit" of the rules i dont know.. We believe we should be able to write our various beef with life on here or about udon etc... Maybe the answer here is to have a thread especially for us locals that live here and make it members only then we can whinge all day long without putting any negative views into the public forum..
I know im going to be told Pm each other but thats not the poibnt is it?/ sometimes we like to air our "beef" in public, so maybe the "public" can be restricted to us local expats if its a problem with the board?

And also maybe people who object rons views shopuld realise that udon is not actually "utopia" and there are things wrong here too, and digest that and accept that!!! without the need to use the same old chestnut!!!!

Post by **trubrit** » October 10, 2009, 8:38 am

No Stan. It is definitely not a National trait. I for one understand but also enjoy seeing people let go. It makes me appreciate more the good things I have got . I strongly suspect the ones that object to reading them have themselves got their own frustrations but are unable to express them, certainly not in public, and are in self denial most of the time about them . Hence when they read a post like Ron's it reminds them and are annoyed at his ability to just let it all out.
Feel better now Ron?

Post by **aznyron** » October 10, 2009, 9:14 am

I just want to say thank you to those who gave me encouragement and support. I do want to say Udon thani
is no UTOPIA there are many problems we have to face daily I posted a few so before you sell every thing back home come here for 6 months get your feet wet find out if you could accept it or better yet be happy here. always keep this in mind you will be always be a guest here. no rights no privileges. even if your Legally married to a Thai citizen. also if you have children you better take in to account education system
here is not like your home country. Now I do not want to piss off any one but IMO it not up to my standards
to you Arjay we have poster who cry in here because some thai lady scammed them out of money or ripped them off of the house they bought and we all give them support and advice my post is exactly like that I am giving advice to those who might be thinking of relocating here thinking it a paradise when it not. so if your coming here for the ladies it no different then home bring a fat wallet with you and be prepared to hear the lies & B/S and you will get a diploma from the WBU trust me on that one as we say in TEXAS adios amigo

Post by **trubrit** » October 10, 2009, 9:19 am

I will add to my previous post. It is not a criticism but simply an observation . What is a British national trait though , is what is commonly known as " A stiff upper lip" We are a nation , well certainly the older generation , that considers it a weakness to show our inner feelings. Hence we try to stifle our tears at a loved ones funeral, whereas our European counterparts tend to bawl their heads off .Not saying either way is right or wrong, just different .This could of course mean we might have a different perspective on being able to express our frustrations in public.So to do so could be considered "Letting the side down" Not the thing to do . This can, and does lead to a rather judgemental opinion of people that are able to open their hearts , so to speak .

Post by **arjay** » October 10, 2009, 9:40 am

In a way I think it's good that this subject has cropped up, though I don't want to be accused of highjacking the thread.

(Posts now split off to start new topic)

It wasn't my intention to have a go at Ron or anyone in particular, it was the response/reaction to Ron's post that prompted my thinking. - I'll try and explain myself. There are a couple of points which I think are relevant.

Not everyone will see things the same way, and some interpret particular "behaviours" differently, and some are more easily offended than others. Some are more outspoken than others. Some use more emotive words than others. For example,- if someone has, shall we call it an "outburst" on the forum. To one person that may be something that they will see/understand and take in their stride, (e.g.- oh so and so is having bad day). Yet to another person it may be seen as or construed as being very much "OTT", rude, maybe even offensive or personal.

Such comments can also have a variety of implications, such as:

causing others to react inappropriately
causing others to make personal comments or attacks
causing others to retaliate
starting slanging matches
frightening off potential new posters

I interpret the "spirit" of the forum as seeking to encourage friendly conversations on the forum. I've just checked what the forum rules actually say, though it wasn't my intention to stand on the forum rules soapbox, simply to make a point about our general behaviour towards each other.

This Board is designed to be a place where a community can gather and hold discussions on various subjects in a friendly and non aggressive environment. We want every person to have an enjoyable experience

Speaking personally, I am a believer in being polite - and that manners cost nothing, and therefore, for example, I resent others demonstrating their wide vocabulary of swear words on me (wherever) or dumping a load of abuse or **** on me. I feel there is a certain etiquette of behaviour in life. I try and treat others with a certain level of polite etiquette, and like them to do the same with me. I don't believe that is being unreasonable or arrogant. I try and treat others how I would want them to treat me. I therefore feel that a reasonable level of behaviour or "etiquette" should apply on the forum.

I certainly don't mean that people shouldn't moan about things (indeed I'm not happy unless I have something to moan about

), but simply that we should maintain a reasonable standard of behaviour/etiquette towards each other, and be alert to how others may read, interpret or indeed respond to the wording and tone of our posts.

Post by **BKKSTAN** » October 10, 2009, 9:49 am

trubrit wrote:I will add to my previous post. It is not a criticism but simply an observation . What is a British national trait though , is what is commonly known as " A stiff upper lip" We are a nation , well certainly the older generation , that considers it a weakness to show our inner feelings. Hence we try to stifle our tears at a loved ones funeral, whereas our European counterparts tend to bawl their heads off .Not saying either way is right or wrong, just different .This could of course mean we might have a different perspective on being able to express our frustrations in public.So to do so could be considered "Letting the side down" Not the thing to do . This can, and does lead to a rather judgemental opinion of people that are able to open their hearts , so to speak .

Without a thread to go on,this was my thinking about that reasoning also !

Fashioned more by old movies about war times as I had very little experience with Brits before coming to Thailand!

I think your reasoning statement has great merit,Arjay and since I have met you,i would say you walk your talk well !

I agree with your ''implication list'',except with the idea the a post causes these actions!The response of the poster is an individual personal decision ,it does not have to be caustic,unless the poster chooses to make it so.In this case,I believe that one poster was whinging about another posters whinging

And it was his personality that made him do it,not Rons verbalizations of his feelings and thoughts

Post by **arjay** » October 10, 2009, 9:56 am

The response of the poster is an individual personal decision ,it does not have to be caustic,unless the poster chooses to make it so.In this case,I believe that one poster was whinging about another posters whinging And it was his personality that made him do it,not Rons verbalizations of his feelings and thoughts

Yes, I very much agree Stan! =D>

laphanphon · Post by **laphanphon** » October 10, 2009, 10:53 am

Ron has opposing views to many on here

you think.......................conspiracies, thai politician, usa politicians, 9/11, bush, baht, dollar, stay here, leave, cost of living, exchange.....................Jesus H F'g Christ (ok,i'm going to hell), whine, whinging, OMG..WTF........................

sadly, i agree with half his BS.................BUT, i can at least turn the volume down on laptop

good news and bad news, since he is already 70 something, and all things equal, you have to put up with me for 17 more years than him...................so you're all screwed, throw in stan, val, and i hope i can be around long enough to be a cynical old fart, instead of a young handsome, full of one's self cynical a-hole.

vanila chocolate strawberry, no use in complaining, turn it off or change the channel. not sure what worst, whining/venting/expressing, or whining about someone whining, or whining about someone whining about someone whining.

.............

8

ok, it's raining out, short break, hmm, can i think of something better to utilize this opportunity

Post by **seymourbutts** » October 10, 2009, 10:58 am

And i am the first to put my hands up here Arjay, i was guilty of a provoked(in my opinion at the time) outburst directed at the mod staff for deleting my post.. You were right of course and i have since apologised to the team for my actions, and now publicly.

i think if a persons first post he ever read was a negative one on the lines as rons was, however im sure its not a negative post to us who live here.. if this was their first reading of udon map then i agree totally with you arjay it may put udon in a bad light... hoiwever if it was me reading i would click on aznyron and check his posts or seymoubutts etc etc and see if the person was an ass!!! in rons case the reader will see that he is well liked and a nice guy,, and really shouldnt judge him by one post or judge udonmap by one post... those that do have no business on here IMO..

Post by **beer monkey** » October 10, 2009, 5:00 pm

'Styles...'Rants'...'Responces'...'Whinging'...'daft'....'silly'...'straight laced'....'Dumb'....etc etc

All part of the *'Fabric' of the Forum....without them (and other styles not mentioned) it will be painful to read and partake....imo.

*The term 'Fabric' has been stolen from Prenders several months back...he used the term before and its stuck in my head ever since.

Have you calmed down yet Ron...?...

Post by **arjay** » October 10, 2009, 5:17 pm

Aznyron wrote:I think the time has come for me to find another forum to post my unbiased and free speech were they will not delete my posts. I am grateful for all the friends I made at the N/M get together were I will be in a few hours from now. like they say in Texas Adios Amigos

Beer Monkey wrote:Have you calmed down yet Ron

Or better still, before you go, have you read this thread in it's entirety, where the off topic posts were moved?

You played a distinct part in causing this thread to come into existence.

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