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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by Doodoo » March 1, 2022, 7:26 pm

fracking = restaurant review

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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by papafarang » March 1, 2022, 7:30 pm

Shouldn't this be under conspiracy crap ?
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by Whistler » March 1, 2022, 7:31 pm

pepesgrill wrote:
March 1, 2022, 7:12 pm
oh please, you've made so many vengeful posts
against this eatery, i can't even be bothered to count them. try looking at your last (10) posts =; psycho
Post one, not two or three, just one. Of course you cannot, just empty rhetoric from a liar that has already been exposed as such.

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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by pepesgrill » March 1, 2022, 8:03 pm

cant be bothered to argue with you as that's all
you ever seem to want to do. all the while throwing about false accusations. and making
demands of my time. read your own posts . your
last (10). all mean-spirited and spiteful =;

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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by Whistler » March 1, 2022, 8:13 pm

You cannot argue pepesgrill. If you make an accusation, be prepared to back it up with facts.

You engaged in a battle of wits when only half armed.
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by pepesgrill » March 1, 2022, 8:15 pm

actually, ive got an old phone and i dont know how
to copy& paste. my weakness now exposed. still ,
i can manage against a girl scout such as yourself
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by jackspratt » March 1, 2022, 8:28 pm

That seems to have been settled then - hopefully we can get back to fracking plots. 👍

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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by mak » September 9, 2022, 3:47 am

Truss to lift the ban on fracking and to start a new era of oil and gas exploration in the North Sea.

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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by FrazeeDK » September 9, 2022, 7:39 am

UK has significant fracking reserves https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute ... in-the-uk/
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by rick » September 9, 2022, 7:39 pm

Fracking will only supply a small proportion of the UK's energy needs, and could potentially pollute water and soil in areas with significant populations - this includes good farmland and areas responsible for supplying water to many English towns and cities. It would also only peak in production after 2030, when the UK will be struggling to mean climate change commitments. It would be a case of jam for a brief tomorrow and loads of problems cleari g up the mess for our children. Earthquakes are still a hard to quantify issue.

Where are the schemes for better insulation, solar panels on rooftops and other renewable energy schemes? No money for the big boys in that.

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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by tamada » September 9, 2022, 8:17 pm

Frack like there's no tomorrow (there isn't going to be one anyway) and prosecute the silly buggers glueing themselves to infrastructure.
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by Whistler » September 9, 2022, 9:47 pm

rick wrote:
September 9, 2022, 7:39 pm
Fracking will only supply a small proportion of the UK's energy needs, and could potentially pollute water and soil in areas with significant populations - this includes good farmland and areas responsible for supplying water to many English towns and cities. It would also only peak in production after 2030, when the UK will be struggling to mean climate change commitments. It would be a case of jam for a brief tomorrow and loads of problems cleari g up the mess for our children. Earthquakes are still a hard to quantify issue.

Where are the schemes for better insulation, solar panels on rooftops and other renewable energy schemes? No money for the big boys in that.
Rick, far too intelligent for such a policy to be adopted
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by tamada » October 14, 2022, 11:13 am

FrazeeDK wrote:
September 9, 2022, 7:39 am
UK has significant fracking reserves https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute ... in-the-uk/
Academia thinks so. Geologists probably less so.

The former boss of Cuadrilla, the only company ever to invest and engage in modern fracking in the UK has already downplayed the Tories grandiloquent claim to reassess fracking as some sort of key component for UK energy independence. It simply isn't supported by the numbers. He should know.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -cuadrilla
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by FrazeeDK » October 15, 2022, 10:52 am

noting in that article when they were drilling, nearly 5 years ago.. So, you're telling me that Hydraulic fracturing/horizontal drilling technology hasn't advanced since then? That the tech hasn't overcome some of the early fracking issues with pollution (over 20 years ago) and difficulties in extraction? it still boils down to a Not IN My Backyard mindset as long as the needed natural gas is imported from wherever they get it from in the world.. Better to endure some of the issues and have a guaranteed supply that your country controls than buying it from an autorcracy (most of the supplying countries) that is far less concerned with the environmental aspects.
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by parrot » October 15, 2022, 11:17 am

As budget proposals can turn on a dime, so can environmental go up in smoke when the weather cools and gas prices are high....... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/worl ... imate.html

Back in the early 2000's, the US's energy future looked bleak. The US had reached "peak oil" and expectations were that things would only get worse. Fracking's not a perfect solution, but neither is dependence on the Middle East or Russia for a country's energy needs.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/07/ ... venezuela/

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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by Whistler » October 15, 2022, 12:03 pm

If we are to move towards a zero hydrocarbon world, the big challenge is to manage energy needs in the 20 or 30 years before that happens.

I hope there are enough reserves to avoid fracking. Russia is a rogue state right now, but if Putin goes, maybe they can come on line again with their massive energy reserves
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by tamada » October 15, 2022, 12:06 pm

FrazeeDK wrote:
October 15, 2022, 10:52 am
noting in that article when they were drilling, nearly 5 years ago.. So, you're telling me that Hydraulic fracturing/horizontal drilling technology hasn't advanced since then? That the tech hasn't overcome some of the early fracking issues with pollution (over 20 years ago) and difficulties in extraction? it still boils down to a Not IN My Backyard mindset as long as the needed natural gas is imported from wherever they get it from in the world.. Better to endure some of the issues and have a guaranteed supply that your country controls than buying it from an autorcracy (most of the supplying countries) that is far less concerned with the environmental aspects.
Shale exploration in the US ran out of investor's money over five years ago so the technology, though stagnant is still current.
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In the same way as the subsurface geology of the Midland Odessa oil field in Texas isn't the same as the Ghawar field in Saudi Arabia, the subsurface geology of the Eagle Ford Shale in Texas isn't the same as that of the Bowland Shale of west Lancashire, England.

Cuadrilla used modern fracking techniques and retained Anderson Thompson, a team of reservoir engineers, geoscientists and hydraulic fracturing specialists, to undertake analytical research on likely gas recovery volumes from horizontal wells to be drilled in the Lancashire Bowland shale. Anderson Thompson has broad international basin experience and specialist knowledge of the Permian, Eagle Ford, Bakken, Marcellus and Montney shale plays in North America.
https://cuadrillaresources.uk/about-fracking/

Note that the adjacent Liverpool Bay conventional oil and gas fields are almost exhausted fifty years after their first discovery. The next phase is to reverse-pump carbon dioxide from onshore power stations and other industries back into the empty subsea caverns. Carbon capture and storage (CCS) is the new game in town.
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by tamada » October 15, 2022, 12:11 pm

parrot wrote:
October 15, 2022, 11:17 am
As budget proposals can turn on a dime, so can environmental go up in smoke when the weather cools and gas prices are high....... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/worl ... imate.html

Back in the early 2000's, the US's energy future looked bleak. The US had reached "peak oil" and expectations were that things would only get worse. Fracking's not a perfect solution, but neither is dependence on the Middle East or Russia for a country's energy needs.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/07/ ... venezuela/
The concept of 'peak oil' was always a questionable one from the viewpoint of geologists and geophysicists. The sub surface 'kitchens' are still creating hydrocarbons at an undetermined rate while the global consumption of the products of oil and gas exploration steadily increased. When you throw a couple of global destabilizers like Covid and Putin into the mix, that peak oil can is kicked an indeterminate distance down the road.
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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by rick » October 15, 2022, 9:38 pm

Peak oil was always a hard to predict event. It is influenced by 'above ground' events as much as what is technically possible. No point in pumping or developing oil fields if you cannot make a profit. Crude demand will always exceed supply, but actual demand depends on price. Vast areas of the developing world would increase their use, if they could afford it. Peak oil was hit in 2019 - but demand slumped during Covid. Will it reach a new high? Most predictions in the last 20 years see Peak oil happening before 2025.
In the short term, supply could indeed rise, but there are many unfavourable winds blowing :-

1. Most of the large, older and easily exploited fields are now in decline. Existing reserves would have to be developed, but most are harder and more expensive to exploit, so price goes up.
2.The Hirsch report indicated that if demand increased after Peak oil, and no mitigation was underway, the economic, social and humanitarian implications would be considerable. Mitigation would need to start 10-20 years before hand. The Ukraine war gives an insight into what would happen - spiralling energy prices, shortage of fertiliser and plummeting world food production.
3. Climate. We cannot keep on 'business as normal'. Although some predictions are overly hyped, we are seeing changes with increasing frequency. And 200 years of Industrial development cannot be reversed quickly; the feedback from the CO2 already released will be felt for hundreds of years even if we stopped tomorrow (which will not happen). Only baby steps have been taken so far, CO2 emissions are still increasing every year.
If we really want to stop a Peak oil disaster and a Climate disaster, we need to diversify NOW. Currently both will happen at the same time. What then?

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Re: The plot against fracking

Post by Whistler » October 15, 2022, 10:00 pm

I agree with you 100% Rick. Too late I am afraid, so much danger done we have to live for its impact. No Bangkok, no Miami, no Jakarta, maybe no London, no new Orleans, many SEA Paciic Islands. If I had mony to invest long term. Khon khon waterfront
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