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America's history

Post by tamada » September 21, 2020, 8:01 pm

I was unaware of the NYT Magazines "1619 Project" until Trump recently introduced it to the Tik Tok purchase dialog to the total confusion of all parties involved. Apparently he wants to make sure America's history as taught isn't what he calls 'fake history'.

This is a long read but possibly helps to illuminate America's continuing existential angst?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ct/604093/



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Re: America's history

Post by Drunk Monkey » September 21, 2020, 8:20 pm

I watched the movie Patriot last night .. excellent but nit sure how accurate it was..

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Re: America's history

Post by semperfiguy » September 22, 2020, 11:39 am

Since we're talking about American history being misrepresented...consider this! I have been searching for what percentage of the White and Black population in the US is on Welfare. I found a few websites that will give me the total amount of Welfare contributions and percentage of that by race, but that's not the same as what percentage of each race category is on Welfare. They pull a "slight of hand" and want to emphasize that roughly 38% of Welfare recipients are White and 39% are Black which gives the illusion that there is little disparity between the two. However, the reality is that 17% of Whites are on Welfare, and 98% of Blacks are on Welfare, and this doesn't even include other programs like Food Stamps. I had to do my own computations since they are not readily available, so my figures could me somewhat off.

I'd like to hear what BLM (Black Lives Matter) has to say about that. It would appear to me that the Blacks are already receiving their reparations for their slavery in a bygone era of American history. That should shock a few people. It shocked me! I'm just offering statistics, so don't lambast me and label me a racist! Maybe this is what President Trump was referring to when the mass media said he believed that only Blacks were on Welfare. It would appear then that they twisted his words like they always do to make him look like an idiot, which is always their chief aim, and what he really said was that most all Blacks are on Welfare. The historical revisionists are still at work today, and most of them are in the mass media.
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Re: America's history

Post by Doodoo » September 22, 2020, 12:34 pm

BLM have nothing to do with Welfare
BLM is here for "Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people"
VIOLENCE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

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Re: America's history

Post by GT93 » September 22, 2020, 12:38 pm

98%? That seems more than a bit iffy. I suspect that percentage is way off.

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Post by mech_401 » September 22, 2020, 12:50 pm

and yet , some of it does have to do with socio
economic conditions their disenfranchisement
with a system that seems to perpetually keep
them poor. the lack of opportunities in inner city
( all valid points) how else can explain the looting

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Post by tamada » September 22, 2020, 12:50 pm

^^^ Thanks for that. My quick and dirty math using your percentages makes it look like 33 million white Americans versus 36 million black Americans are on welfare. I don't see any sleight of hand or illusions here unless it's from the white majority (62% or 197.6 million) trying to make a point about how well the blacks (12% or 37.0 million) are doing or how well they are treating the blacks. The real numbers are all out there, always have been. One just needs to make sure and check what source is quoting them out of context and the Left is as bad as the Right when it comes to that.

Maybe it is more about a system that encourages or otherwise keeps the impoverished and under-educated of BOTH ethnicities on food stamps?

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Re: America's history

Post by semperfiguy » September 22, 2020, 12:53 pm

Doodoo wrote:
September 22, 2020, 12:34 pm
BLM have nothing to do with Welfare
BLM is here for "Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people"
VIOLENCE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter
I appreciate your comments Doodoo, but according to a recent interview on Fox News with the head of the New York chapter of BLM, one part of their grievances for reform for the Black population is the payment of reparations for slavery. The characterization of BLM from Wikipedia and from their own website is sheer camouflage. The BLM founders are trained Marxists and their ultimate goal is to change every system in the American way of life and substitute capitalism with a Marxist/Communist/Socialist system of governance. Don't ask me for references because I don't get my news from the traditional mass media sources. If you want to know the truth about BLM, then you have to go to alternative sites. Don't drink the kook-aid my friend!
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Re: America's history

Post by semperfiguy » September 22, 2020, 1:05 pm

tamada wrote:
September 22, 2020, 12:50 pm
^^^ Thanks for that. My quick and dirty math using your percentages makes it look like 33 million white Americans versus 36 million black Americans are on welfare. I don't see any sleight of hand or illusions here unless it's from the white majority (62% or 197.6 million) trying to make a point about how well the blacks (12% or 37.0 million) are doing or how well they are treating the blacks. The real numbers are all out there, always have been. One just needs to make sure and check what source is quoting them out of context and the Left is as bad as the Right when it comes to that.

Maybe it is more about a system that encourages or otherwise keeps the impoverished and under-educated of BOTH ethnicities on food stamps?
Thanks Tamada, but we have 250,447,000 Whites of which 42,870,000 are on Welfare for 17% of Whites. We have 45,000,000 Blacks of which 43,984,000 are on Welfare, so 98%. This is how they fool you with numbers. Don't look at Welfare recipients, both Black and White, as a percentage of the US population. What's really important if you're going to assess how Blacks are treated by the US government in terms of economic relief is to understand what percentage of their own race is being spoon fed. By in large, the Whites and Hispanics are out making a living for themselves while the Blacks are cashing in on hand-outs. That should really upset the average hard-working American taxpayer. This is something that nobody wants to talk about, just like Black crime as a percentage of their own race's population; and when any spokesperson speaks on behalf of the Black community, they will always deflect and give an answer that fails to address the issue.
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Re: America's history

Post by jackspratt » September 22, 2020, 2:04 pm

GT93 wrote:
September 22, 2020, 12:38 pm
98%? That seems more than a bit iffy. I suspect that percentage is way off.
I would suggest it is a number plucked from thin air, or derrière.

Given that there are 450,000+ blacks doing time in prison, 200,000+ in the armed forces, and god only know how many in federal and state government jobs (including police, prisons, Homeland Security, etc etc), according to sfg's "calculation" the entire rest of the black population is on welfare ie being "spoon fed". [-(

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Re: America's history

Post by semperfiguy » September 22, 2020, 2:07 pm

jackspratt wrote:
September 22, 2020, 2:04 pm
GT93 wrote:
September 22, 2020, 12:38 pm
98%? That seems more than a bit iffy. I suspect that percentage is way off.
I would suggest it is a number plucked from thin air, or derrière.

Given that there are 450,000+ blacks doing time in prison, 200,000+ in the armed forces, and god only know how many in federal and state government jobs (including police, prisons, Homeland Security, etc etc), according to sfg's "calculation" the entire rest of the black population is on welfare ie being "spoon fed". [-(

Sir Jackspratt, I just gave you the figures right off the internet. Just do the math. I don't think my calculator is broken.
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Re: America's history

Post by semperfiguy » September 22, 2020, 2:16 pm

semperfiguy wrote:
September 22, 2020, 2:07 pm
jackspratt wrote:
September 22, 2020, 2:04 pm
GT93 wrote:
September 22, 2020, 12:38 pm
98%? That seems more than a bit iffy. I suspect that percentage is way off.
I would suggest it is a number plucked from thin air, or derrière.

Given that there are 450,000+ blacks doing time in prison, 200,000+ in the armed forces, and god only know how many in federal and state government jobs (including police, prisons, Homeland Security, etc etc), according to sfg's "calculation" the entire rest of the black population is on welfare ie being "spoon fed". [-(

Sir Jackspratt, I just gave you the figures right off the internet. Just do the math. I don't think my calculator is broken. I'll bow out now and let you guys get back on topic. Got more important fish to fry! I'm sorry I brought up the matter now!
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Re: America's history

Post by jackspratt » September 22, 2020, 2:18 pm

Semper, based on your numbers, there are only 1,016,000 not on welfare.

At least a million are accounted for in my post, and assuming many of those in jobs as stated have families which they are supporting, your numbers are very shaky.

But if you are confident they are correct, please give your sources (links) from the internet so they can be fact checked ie verified.

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Post by tamada » September 22, 2020, 3:17 pm

I am not sure who "they" are or who exactly is being fooled here but the discussion is about how America's history may have largely omitted the less salubrious details of how they achieved their success. Don't you think it worrying that, "...few American high-school students know that slavery was the cause of the Civil War, that the Constitution protected slavery without explicitly mentioning it, or that ending slavery required a constitutional amendment." ?

Arguably the same can be said for British history and that of maybe half-a-dozen like-minded European forebears but there's probably a growing realization that, "Sorry about that, here's some free money" isn't very heartfelt. As I said earlier, poverty and ignorance isn't solely the domain of the non-white demographic and although I am not onboard with all of BLM's altruistic intent and think that erasing history by removing monuments defeats their stated aims, I would think that the black race's undeniable contribution to the West's great good fortune needs to be better acknowledged. I can appreciate that for some, that may simply be asking too much.

The US is unique in that they fully imported their slaves whereas the Europeans shipped them to their colonies, most of which are no longer parts of their disparate empires. That's not a defence of European slavery but I think it makes a significant difference and makes any direct trans-Atlantic comparisons challenging. The best we see here are claims that the American abolitionist movement predates the British one.

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Post by GT93 » September 22, 2020, 4:15 pm

I calculated from the internet that 98% of Caucasian Americans (in the US) are white trash. I'll bow out now and let you guys get back on topic. Got more important fish to fry! :lol:

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Post by stattointhailand » September 22, 2020, 4:37 pm

The fact that you are comparing % of Blacks, % of Latino's, % of White just highlights the problem.

100% of PEOPLE on welfare are "on welfare" doesnt matter a sh*t if they are Black/White or Orange with purple spots. Until it stops being "them" and "us" the racists will always win [-X

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Post by semperfiguy » September 22, 2020, 4:53 pm

jackspratt wrote:
September 22, 2020, 2:18 pm
Semper, based on your numbers, there are only 1,016,000 not on welfare.

At least a million are accounted for in my post, and assuming many of those in jobs as stated have families which they are supporting, your numbers are very shaky.

But if you are confident they are correct, please give your sources (links) from the internet so they can be fact checked ie verified.

You pulled me back in Jackspratt, but only for this bit of resource. This comes directly from Broward County's Oldest and Largest African American Owned and Operated Newspaper, so I doubt that it is lying about the figures. You can take these Welfare figures and compare it against total population figures for the US Whites and Blacks. My figures are in the ballpark.

https://thewestsidegazette.com/finally- ... ny-whites/
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stattointhailand wrote:
September 22, 2020, 4:37 pm
The fact that you are comparing % of Blacks, % of Latino's, % of White just highlights the problem.

100% of PEOPLE on welfare are "on welfare" doesnt matter a sh*t if they are Black/White or Orange with purple spots. Until it stops being "them" and "us" the racists will always win [-X
You missed out the Chinese Statts comorn get a grip ..

Racism.can start to.manifest its self even in the young ..and even ginger kids ( can i say that ).

https://youtu.be/z_mhFOyLQBg

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stattointhailand wrote:
September 22, 2020, 4:37 pm
The fact that you are comparing % of Blacks, % of Latino's, % of White just highlights the problem.

100% of PEOPLE on welfare are "on welfare" doesnt matter a sh*t if they are Black/White or Orange with purple spots. Until it stops being "them" and "us" the racists will always win [-X
+1. Concur, but if you're going fix a problem you need the data (not that there is a "fix all" for the US Welfare Program).

March 2020 Data, believe this info is more up-to-date than what semper's using.
https://fortunly.com/statistics/welfare ... tics/#gref

Won't do any number crunching. However, seem to remember reading somewhere that Hispanic/Latino Americans by demographic will out number White Americans in a couple of years. However, 2019 US Census doesn't seem to point that way.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/ ... /PST045219

Biggest info I got from what little research I did,
"2. 24 million children use welfare every month.
Children make up the biggest percentage of welfare beneficiaries. An examination of the demographics of welfare recipients reveals that those under the age of 18 account for 41% of all welfare users. Meanwhile, people aged between 18 and 64 account for 50% of the recipients. Seniors (65 and older) account for just 12% of the population on welfare." 41% of Welfare users are under the age of 18 years old (regardless of color/creed etc).
* not saying, some parents don't abuse the benefits they receive for their child or just have children for the benefits.....just providing the numbers.

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Re: America's history

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I think you will find the term is "Ginger Rug Rats" DM

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