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Re: America's history

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » September 27, 2020, 1:31 am

One wonders if the common soldier in the Confederate army owned slaves or ever expected to. But many were willing to fight for inspirational leaders such as Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and Jeb Stuart. And, they were certainly willing to fight to defend their families, homes, possessions et al from an invading army.


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Re: America's history

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One wonders if the common soldier in the Confederate army owned slaves or ever expected to. But many were willing to fight for inspirational leaders such as Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and Jeb Stuart. And, they were certainly willing to fight to defend their families, homes, possessions et al from an invading army.
It was called conscription , but if you owned slaves you could be exempt. Being shot by firing squad or taking the chance of maybe surviving the war by killing others was a great motivator . choice was being dead or maybe dead . At least by the the Vietnam war the choice was fight or go to prison . except if you had millions of $ then you could get doctors to write you a sick note. Now who do we know that got away with not being sent off with the suckers and losers
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Re: America's history

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » September 27, 2020, 9:23 pm

It is interesting about conscription. Initially, both armies seemed to be volunteer. Subsequently, many soldiers ran away or rioted against joining either army (New York). Wiki has this about the Confederacy: 'The Confederate Conscription Acts, 1862 to 1864, were a series of measures taken by the Confederate government to produce the manpower to fight the American Civil War.

The First Conscription Act, passed April 26, 1862, made any white male between 18 to 35 years old liable to three years of military service. On September 27, 1862, the Second extended the age limit to 45 years; the Third, passed February 17, 1864, changed this to 17 to 50 years old, for service of an unlimited period.

Originally, anyone drafted could hire a substitute, a provision that was heavily criticized, and abolished on December 28, 1863. In addition, an act of April 21, 1862, created reserved occupations excluded from the draft. On October 11, 1862, a new exemption act, soon dubbed the Twenty Negro Law, was approved. The Third Conscription limited the number of reserved occupations, but, although much criticized, kept the "Twenty Negro Law" in modified form. In order to encourage volunteering the First Act allowed existing regiments to elect new officers. The Third Act also allowed officer election in regiments formed by the new age groups coming into military service.[1]

The debate over conscription reflected the political struggle in the Confederacy between those who saw it as another example of the threat to freedom posed by the centralization of power, the suspension of Habeas Corpus being another. Their opponents viewed a strong central executive and these measures as essential to preserve Southern independence.

Several states passed legislation against it; in addition to simply hiding, draftees violently resisted conscription officers of the Confederate government, mirroring similar disputes in the North, most famously the New York city draft riots. Some counties seceded from the Confederacy, declaring for the United States government; by 1864, the Southern draft had become virtually unenforceable.'
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Post by Teacher Dan » December 11, 2021, 11:50 pm

An interesting discussion on Jussie Smollett and the mythical racism problem in America among other things.

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Re: America's history

Post by Teacher Dan » December 11, 2021, 11:59 pm

tamada wrote:
September 21, 2020, 8:01 pm
I was unaware of the NYT Magazines "1619 Project" until Trump recently introduced it to the Tik Tok purchase dialog to the total confusion of all parties involved. Apparently he wants to make sure America's history as taught isn't what he calls 'fake history'.

This is a long read but possibly helps to illuminate America's continuing existential angst?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ct/604093/
The 1619 is an ahistorical work of fiction not only was the US not the US for over 150 years yet, but the supposed slaves they claim in 1619 were indentured servants, not slaves. SO if they're going to try saying indentured servitude was the same as slavery, then a lot of Irish, Italians, and more need to start piping up for reparations in America. Trump and all who criticize that garbage are correct and ACTUAL historians have debunked it long ago.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/nyt-discr ... 9-project/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-1619-p ... 1576540494
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Re: America's history

Post by Teacher Dan » December 13, 2021, 2:07 am

The truth about the Civil War that the left have hidden for years--though my history teachers in HS actually taught us most of this and listed slavery as like #10 on a list of top causes for the war.

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Re: America's history

Post by Doodoo » December 13, 2021, 3:38 am

One of the worst parts of American Histry
The trail of Tears 1838
The Trail of Tears was the relocation and movement of Native Americans, including many members of the Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, and Choctaw nations among others in the United States, from their homelands to Indian Territory (present day Oklahoma) in the Western United States. The phrase originated from a description of the removal of the Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native Americans suffered from exposure, disease, and starvation while en route to their destinations, and many died, including 4,000 of the 15,000 relocated Cherokee. By 1837, 46,000 Native Americans from these southeastern nations had been removed from their homelands thereby opening 25 million acres for settlement by European Americans

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Re: America's history

Post by Declan MacPherson » December 13, 2021, 8:17 am

Teacher Dan wrote:
December 13, 2021, 2:07 am
The truth about the Civil War that the left have hidden for years--though my history teachers in HS actually taught us most of this and listed slavery as like #10 on a list of top causes for the war.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/0 ... ot-slavery
This is true. Lincoln always stated that the mission was to preserve the Union, and he is quoted as saying that he did not care if the war freed even one slave. That was until he found a political advantage in using slavery to increase enlistments and came up with the Emancipation Proclamation.

What many people do not know (or forgot) is that Lincoln's proclamation only freed slaves in the South. It did not include slaves in the Border States or the North.

Once Lincoln got rid of his do-nothing generals and put U.S. Grant in charge, it was only a matter of time before Grant and the Emancipation Proclamation inspired Union victory.
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Re: America's history

Post by Doodoo » December 13, 2021, 8:23 am

Can we ever forget

The Burning of Washington was a British invasion of Washington City (now Washington, D.C.), the capital of the United States, during the Chesapeake Campaign of the War of 1812. It is the only time since the American Revolutionary War that a foreign power has captured and occupied the capital of the United States.

Following the defeat of American forces at the Battle of Bladensburg on August 24, 1814, a British force led by Major General Robert Ross marched to Washington. That night, British forces set fire to multiple government and military buildings, including the White House (then called the Presidential Mansion), the Capitol building, as well as other facilities of the U.S. government.[4] The attack was in part a retaliation for American destruction in Upper Canada: U.S. forces had burned and looted its capital the previous year and more recently had burned buildings in Port Dover.[5] Less than a day after the attack began, a heavy thunderstorm—possibly a hurricane—and a tornado extinguished the fires. The occupation of Washington lasted for roughly 26 hours, and what the British plans were beyond the damage are still a subject of debate.

President James Madison, military officials, and his government evacuated and were able to find refuge for the night in Brookeville, a small town in Montgomery County, Maryland; President Madison spent the night in the house of Caleb Bentley, a Quaker who lived and worked in Brookeville. Bentley's house, known today as the Madison House, still exists. Following the storm, the British returned to their ships, many of which required repairs due to the storm.

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Re: America's history

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Doodoo wrote:
December 13, 2021, 3:38 am
One of the worst parts of American Histry
The trail of Tears 1838
The Trail of Tears was the relocation and movement of Native Americans, including many members of the Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, and Choctaw nations among others in the United States, from their homelands to Indian Territory (present day Oklahoma) in the Western United States. The phrase originated from a description of the removal of the Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native Americans suffered from exposure, disease, and starvation while en route to their destinations, and many died, including 4,000 of the 15,000 relocated Cherokee. By 1837, 46,000 Native Americans from these southeastern nations had been removed from their homelands thereby opening 25 million acres for settlement by European Americans
Yes but something most people in their attempts to judge the past by today's standards fail to realize is that the Indians were NOT innocent in this at all. They raided settlers, they murdered settlers, they allied with or were used by enemies (Brits and French) at different times to war against Americans, they formed large war tribes like the Iroquois (my Grandmother was half) to war against Americans, and refused offers to relocate peacefully since they had proven themselves untrustworthy menaces to settlers as well. As in all wars it was a two-way street that people seem to ignore today. But yes, all in all, Indians were treated worse than slaves.....just as the indigenous people in most nations on the planet.
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Re: America's history

Post by FrazeeDK » December 13, 2021, 10:30 am

the Jackson signed law to evict Indians east of the Mississppi was not predicated upon earlier Indian-Settler wars. It was a racist and opportunistic move to push Indian tribes and clans out of the southeast in particular where many Indians had assimiliated into white culture and were successful smiths, sawyers, farmers and shopkeepers. When evicted their lands and property was up for grabs...
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Re: America's history

Post by Doodoo » December 13, 2021, 10:43 am

Here is another Black Mark in the history books for the US

1857: The Dred Scott Decision. The Supreme Court essentially rules that black people are nothing more than property like a chair or couch.


Dred Scott v. Sandford,[note 1] 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court in which the Court held that the United States Constitution was not meant to include American citizenship for people of African descent, regardless of whether they were enslaved or free, and so the rights and privileges that the Constitution confers upon American citizens could not apply to them.[3][4] The Supreme Court's decision has been widely denounced, both for how overtly racist the decision was and its crucial role in the near collapse of the United States of America four years later.[5] Bernard Schwartz said that it "stands first in any list of the worst Supreme Court decisions—Chief Justice Hughes called it the Court's greatest self-inflicted wound."[6] Junius P. Rodriguez said that it is "universally condemned as the U.S. Supreme Court's worst decision".[7] Historian David Thomas Konig said that it was "unquestionably, our court's worst decision ever."[8]

The decision was made in the case of Dred Scott, an enslaved black man whose owners had taken him from Missouri, a slave-holding state, into Illinois and the Wisconsin Territory, where slavery was illegal. When his owners later brought him back to Missouri, Scott sued in court for his freedom and claimed that because he had been taken into "free" U.S. territory, he had automatically been freed and was legally no longer a slave. Scott sued first in Missouri state court, which ruled that he was still a slave under its law. He then sued in U.S. federal court, which ruled against him by deciding that it had to apply Missouri law to the case. He then appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

In March 1857, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision against Dred Scott. In an opinion written by Chief Justice Roger Taney, the Court ruled that people of African descent "are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States". Taney supported his ruling with an extended survey of American state and local laws from the time of the Constitution's drafting in 1787 that purported to show that a "perpetual and impassable barrier was intended to be erected between the white race and the one which they had reduced to slavery". Because the Court ruled that Scott was not an American citizen, he was also not a citizen of any state and, accordingly, could never establish the "diversity of citizenship" that Article III of the U.S. Constitution requires for a U.S. federal court to be able to exercise jurisdiction over a case.[3] After ruling on those issues surrounding Scott, Taney continued further and struck down the entire Missouri Compromise as a limitation on slavery that exceeded the U.S. Congress's constitutional powers.

Although Taney and several other justices hoped the decision would permanently settle the slavery controversy, which was increasingly dividing the American public, the decision's effect was the complete opposite.[9] Taney's majority opinion suited the slaveholding states, but was intensely decried in all the other states.[4] The decision inflamed the national debate over slavery and deepened the divide that led ultimately to the Civil War. In 1865, after the Union's victory, the Court's ruling in Dred Scott was superseded by the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which abolished slavery, and the Fourteenth Amendment, whose first section guaranteed citizenship for "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

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1862: The battle of Antietam was the single bloodiest day in American history with 25,000 soldiers killed, wounded, or missing.
The Battle of Antietam , or Battle of Sharpsburg particularly in the Southern United States, was a battle of the American Civil War fought on September 17, 1862, between Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia and Union Gen. George B. McClellan's Army of the Potomac near Sharpsburg, Maryland and Antietam Creek. Part of the Maryland Campaign, it was the first field army–level engagement in the Eastern Theater of the American Civil War to take place on Union soil. It was the bloodiest day in American history, with a combined tally of 22,717 dead, wounded, or missing.

After pursuing Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee into Maryland, Maj. Gen. George B. McClellan of the Union Army launched attacks against Lee's army who were in defensive positions behind Antietam Creek. At dawn on September 17, Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker's corps mounted a powerful assault on Lee's left flank. Attacks and counterattacks swept across Miller's Cornfield, and fighting swirled around the Dunker Church. Union assaults against the Sunken Road eventually pierced the Confederate center, but the Federal advantage was not followed up. In the afternoon, Union Maj. Gen. Ambrose Burnside's corps entered the action, capturing a stone bridge over Antietam Creek and advancing against the Confederate right. At a crucial moment, Confederate Maj. Gen. A. P. Hill's division arrived from Harpers Ferry and launched a surprise counterattack, driving back Burnside and ending the battle. Although outnumbered two-to-one, Lee committed his entire force, while McClellan sent in less than three-quarters of his army, enabling Lee to fight the Federals to a standstill. During the night, both armies consolidated their lines. In spite of crippling casualties, Lee continued to skirmish with McClellan throughout September 18, while removing his battered army south of the Potomac River.

McClellan had halted Lee's invasion of Maryland, but his army had suffered heavier losses and Lee was able to withdraw his army back to Virginia without interference. McClellan's refusal to pursue Lee's army led to his removal from command by President Abraham Lincoln in November. Although the battle was tactically inconclusive, the Confederate troops had withdrawn first from the battlefield and abandoned their invasion, making it a Union strategic victory. It was enough of a victory to give Lincoln the confidence to announce his Emancipation Proclamation, which by freeing more than 3.5 million slaves in the Confederate states (but not Union slave states), began the process of emancipation of all remaining persons legally considered slaves within the United States and in doing so, discouraged the British and French governments, which were strongly opposed to slavery and had in fact abolished slavery prior to the American Civil War, from recognizing the Confederacy.

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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 14, 2021, 9:40 am

Spring Hill and Franklin were no pieces of cake either
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The 1900 Galveston hurricane,[1] also known as the Great Galveston hurricane and the Galveston Flood, and known regionally as the Great Storm of 1900 or the 1900 Storm,[2][3] was the deadliest natural disaster in United States history and the fifth-deadliest Atlantic hurricane, only behind Hurricane Mitch overall.[4] The hurricane left between 6,000 and 12,000 fatalities in the United States; the number most cited in official reports is 8,000. Most of these deaths occurred in and near Galveston, Texas, after the storm surge inundated the coastline with 8 to 12 ft (2.4 to 3.7 m) of water. In addition to the number killed, the storm destroyed about 7,000 buildings of all uses in Galveston, which included 3,636 demolished homes; every dwelling in the city suffered some degree of damage. The hurricane left approximately 10,000 people in the city homeless, out of a total population of fewer than 38,000. The disaster ended the Golden Era of Galveston, as the hurricane alarmed potential investors, who turned to Houston instead. In response to the storm, three engineers designed and oversaw plans to raise the Gulf of Mexico shoreline of Galveston Island by 17 ft (5.2 m) and erect a 10 mi (16 km) seawall.

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Re: America's history

Post by Teacher Dan » December 21, 2021, 3:39 am

The most tragic event in America's recent history will be the stolen 2020 election and false flag 'insurrection' on Jan 6th!
There is good reason why AG Garland ran from Massie’s question faster than he could find words — and why he couldn’t even keep eye contact as he was dodging Massie’s gaze.

After months of research, Revolver’s investigative reporting team can now reveal that Ray Epps appears to be among the primary orchestrators of the very first breach of the Capitol’s police barricades at 12:50pm on January 6. Epps appears to have led the “breach team” that committed the very first illegal acts on that fateful day. What’s more, Epps and his “breach team” did all their dirty work with 20 minutes still remaining in President Trump’s National Mall speech, and with the vast majority of Trump supporters still 30 minutes away from the Capitol.

Secondly, Revolver also determined, and will prove below, that the the FBI stealthily removed Ray Epps from its Capitol Violence Most Wanted List on July 1, just one day after Revolver exposed the inexplicable and puzzlesome FBI protection of known Epps associate and Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes. July 1 was also just one day after separate New York Times report amplified a glaring, falsifiable lie about Epps’s role in the events of January 6.

Lastly, Ray Epps appears to have worked alongside several individuals — many of them suspiciously unindicted — to carry out a breach of the police barricades that induced a subsequent flood of unsuspecting MAGA protesters to unwittingly trespass on Capitol restricted grounds and place themselves in legal jeopardy.
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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 21, 2021, 5:45 am

The Dirty Thirties, the shooting of J.F.K. in Dallas and Sandy Hook might be considered more tragic.
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Post by GT93 » December 21, 2021, 6:34 am

So might Prohibition.

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Post by Khun Paul » December 21, 2021, 7:15 am

According to many Americans , the History of America is still being written as they enjoy rewriting what has already happened or at last attempt to.
The worst think to happen was the inability to talk and have a prolonged Civil War which killed tens of thousands and in my book is still carrying on today. Divisions sprang up and No45 used those very same divisions to further divide this country and some are so blinded by the skewed rhetoric that even when it is pointed out they still believe the utter rubbish emanating from some.

A country founded in 1776 is now only a mere 245 years old , which funnily enough 1776 years after Londinium ( London UIK ) was probably founded. So in terms of History it is so young and an awful lot to learn.

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Post by GT93 » December 21, 2021, 7:27 am

Oh dear. Cali should get a new world avatar. Perhaps Trump Tower.
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