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Post by ronan01 » May 21, 2016, 7:49 am

Correlations of global sea surface temperatures with the solar wind speed

A recent study demonstrates that the North Atlantic is coldest on the surface when the solar wind is fastest:

"A significant correlation between the solar wind speed (SWS) and sea surface temperature (SST) in the region of the North Atlantic Ocean has been found for the Northern Hemisphere winter from 1963 to 2010, based on 3-month seasonal averages. The correlation is dependent on Bz (the interplanetary magnetic field component parallel to the Earth's magnetic dipole) as well as the SWS, and somewhat stronger in the stratospheric quasi-biennial oscillation (QBO) west phase than in the east phase. The correlations with the SWS are stronger than those with the F10.7 parameter representing solar UV inputs to the stratosphere. SST responds to changes in tropospheric dynamics via wind stress, and to changes in cloud cover affecting the radiative balance. Suggested mechanisms for the solar influence on SST include changes in atmospheric ionization and cloud microphysics affecting cloud cover, storm invigoration, and tropospheric dynamics. Such changes modify upward wave propagation to the stratosphere, affecting the dynamics of the polar vortex. Also, direct solar inputs, including energetic particles and solar UV, produce stratospheric dynamical changes. Downward propagation of stratospheric dynamical changes eventually further perturbs tropospheric dynamics and SST."

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... wind_speed

http://www.sws.bom.gov.au/Solar/1/4

http://www.sws.bom.gov.au/Category/Sola ... 0Angle.php

Global warming bed-wetting alarmists would like you to believe the sun has no impact on the climate or the planets temperature. Go figure!

Stop exhaling CO2 you nasty humans so global warming bed-wetters can get a good nights sleep.



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Post by Barney » May 21, 2016, 8:00 am

papafarang wrote:spot on Barny, but those places have always been hot, that's why 1billion people don't live there.
oddly enough there is only one date prior to 1960 that holds a record, is it just chance that 6 other records are after 1960 ?
1.Oodnadatta, South Australia - 50.7°C, 2 January 1960
2.Mardie, Western Australia - 50.5°C, 19 February 1998
3.Menindee, New South Wales - 49.7°C, 10 January 1939
4.Birdsville, Queensland - 49.5°C, 24 December 1972
5.Hopetoun, Victoria - 48.8°C, 7 February 2009
6.Finke, Northern Territory - 48.3°C, 1 & 2 January 1960
7.Scamander, Tasmania - 42.2°C, 30 January 2009
This one was earlier. 10 years before my grandfather was born.
Cloncurry's claim to temperature fame is of having the highest ever recorded temperature of 53.1°C (127.5°F) on 16 January 1889.

Yes Papa you are correct, it has always been hot in certain areas of Australia and also india who do have that billion people. We just don't let people in. :D
The main reason and it is not by chance at all is that temps are from about 1960 is that there were no standardized official thermometers recognized by the powers that be in those towns. Take Marble Bar for instance, it was the only measured town in country western Australia for donkey's years because some weather man put a mercury filled tube there. I've been there in summer and it's f...en hot day and night. The shade don't help except to stop sun burn. :lol:

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Post by ronan01 » May 21, 2016, 8:02 am

papafarang wrote:"The best science tells you otherwise, and that the feet should be inches."
my god man, do you still work with those ? there's a new system out called metric, much more accurate and based on physics
The article quoted is from the USA.

Some people suffer from comprehension difficulties and dont understand the USA does not use the metric system, and cant understand a lot more.

The old imperial system is no less accurate than the metric system. An example is the calculation of drainage run-off:

Imperial = Q = C.I.A / 360

Metric = Q = C.I.A

The physics is the same, only the units differ.

The USA put a man on the moon using the imperial system.

Some people .... geez!!!

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Post by papafarang » May 21, 2016, 8:44 am

ronan01 wrote:
papafarang wrote:"The best science tells you otherwise, and that the feet should be inches."
my god man, do you still work with those ? there's a new system out called metric, much more accurate and based on physics
The article quoted is from the USA.

Some people suffer from comprehension difficulties and dont understand the USA does not use the metric system, and cant understand a lot more.

The old imperial system is no less accurate than the metric system. An example is the calculation of drainage run-off:

Imperial = Q = C.I.A / 360

Metric = Q = C.I.A

The physics is the same, only the units differ.

The USA put a man on the moon using the imperial system.

Some people .... geez!!!
countries that still use imperial, but I think you will find it's only engineers that use it, doctors and scientists certainly don't
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Post by noosard » May 21, 2016, 9:36 am

Of all the countries in the world, only three backwaters still use the archaic Imperial system of weights and measures:

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&rct=j ... vkuJ4RZbbg

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Post by noosard » May 21, 2016, 9:40 am

Not sure who manufactures tape measures for sale in Thailand
but have not seen a solely metric one
Had to buy one in Oz last visit
And I was surprised to see mixed tapes there for sale now
Thought they were banned

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Post by Barney » May 21, 2016, 9:54 am

Britain appears to be doing its bit for global warming by pushing a head with 2 new reactors (well replacement units) to be built in its Nuclear energy business.

Why isn't the rest of the world following their example?

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Post by Barney » May 21, 2016, 10:26 am

Barney wrote:Britain appears to be doing its bit for global warming by pushing a head with 2 new reactors (well replacement units) to be built in its Nuclear energy business.

Why isn't the rest of the world following their example?
"Plant in Wales will provide low-carbon energy for up to 5 million households"

today announced a joint venture partners Hitachi Nuclear Energy Europe, Ltd. and Japan Gas Corporation, to deliver a new, two-reactor nuclear plant in Wales, United Kingdom for plant owner Horizon Nuclear Power.
The joint venture will be called Menter Newydd, which means “new venture” in Welsh. It will initially provide front-end engineering and construction planning prior to full construction, expected by 2020. Horizon Nuclear Power’s Wylfa Newydd plant will provide low-carbon nuclear energy to up to 5 million homes. Construction will create 8,000 to 10,000 jobs at peak periods and the plant will employ around 850 permanent employees on the Isle of Anglesey, adjacent to the site of two older UK reactors scheduled for decommissioning.

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Post by ronan01 » May 21, 2016, 10:35 am

papafarang wrote:
ronan01 wrote:
papafarang wrote:"The best science tells you otherwise, and that the feet should be inches."
my god man, do you still work with those ? there's a new system out called metric, much more accurate and based on physics
The article quoted is from the USA.

Some people suffer from comprehension difficulties and dont understand the USA does not use the metric system, and cant understand a lot more.

The old imperial system is no less accurate than the metric system. An example is the calculation of drainage run-off:

Imperial = Q = C.I.A / 360

Metric = Q = C.I.A

The physics is the same, only the units differ.

The USA put a man on the moon using the imperial system.

Some people .... geez!!!
countries that still use imperial, but I think you will find it's only engineers that use it, doctors and scientists certainly don't
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The fact remains that the USA uses the imperial system and the population there refer to 20 inches rather than 20 foot of ocean rise.

Get over it.

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Post by ronan01 » May 25, 2016, 6:22 am

Renewables - the greentard folly:

- Only fossil fuels and nuclear fuels have the ability to power megacities in 2050, when over half of the then 9B people will live in them.
- The more severe predictions of climate change over the last 25 years are simply not happening, it makes no sense to deploy the more costly options for renewable energy.
- Abandoned infrastructure projects (such as derelict wind and solar farms in the Mojave desert) remain to have their progenitors mocked for decades.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download. ... b8427fc72d

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Post by papafarang » May 25, 2016, 6:55 am

ronan01 wrote:Renewables - the greentard folly:

- Only fossil fuels and nuclear fuels have the ability to power megacities in 2050, when over half of the then 9B people will live in them.
- The more severe predictions of climate change over the last 25 years are simply not happening, it makes no sense to deploy the more costly options for renewable energy.
- Abandoned infrastructure projects (such as derelict wind and solar farms in the Mojave desert) remain to have their progenitors mocked for decades.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download. ... b8427fc72d
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Post by ronan01 » May 25, 2016, 7:11 am

papafarang wrote:
ronan01 wrote:Renewables - the greentard folly:

- Only fossil fuels and nuclear fuels have the ability to power megacities in 2050, when over half of the then 9B people will live in them.
- The more severe predictions of climate change over the last 25 years are simply not happening, it makes no sense to deploy the more costly options for renewable energy.
- Abandoned infrastructure projects (such as derelict wind and solar farms in the Mojave desert) remain to have their progenitors mocked for decades.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download. ... b8427fc72d
what a load of rubbish you copy and paste
Gee - you read that article quickly - what an intellect you must have! Not to mention an open mind.

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Post by ronan01 » May 25, 2016, 8:32 am

ronan01 wrote:
papafarang wrote:
ronan01 wrote:Renewables - the greentard folly:

- Only fossil fuels and nuclear fuels have the ability to power megacities in 2050, when over half of the then 9B people will live in them.
- The more severe predictions of climate change over the last 25 years are simply not happening, it makes no sense to deploy the more costly options for renewable energy.
- Abandoned infrastructure projects (such as derelict wind and solar farms in the Mojave desert) remain to have their progenitors mocked for decades.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download. ... b8427fc72d
what a load of rubbish you copy and paste
Gee - you read that article quickly - what an intellect you must have! Not to mention an open mind.
What, no rapid retort or comment on the fact that:

Modern civilization begun with the first industrial revolution which was enabled by fossil fuels.

Modern mobility, health, lifestyles, diet, education system, and culture are impossible without fossil fuels

Fossil fuels provided over 90% of the energy consumed on the earth since 1800

Currently geothermal, hydro and nuclear power, and biofuels like wood and straw, account for about 15% of energy use.

Renewable energy (wind, solar, and cultivated biomass) provide about 1% of world energy.

Fossil fuels growth is seven times that of low carbon energies and the ratio of fossil fuel energy used to total energy used has remained unchanged since 1990 at 85%.

The eco-loony call to decarbonize the global economy by 80% by 2050 is as stupid as it gets, because it is only possible to do if we are happy to see large populations die from starvation, destitution or violence without enough low-carbon energy to sustain modern society and civilisation.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download. ... b8427fc72d

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Post by Udon Map » May 25, 2016, 8:53 am

ronan01 wrote:Not to mention an open mind.
I can't recall exactly, but.... something about the pot calling the kettle black.

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Post by fatbob » May 25, 2016, 9:14 am

Udon Map wrote: by Udon Map » May 25, 2016, 8:53 am

ronan01 wrote:
Not to mention an open mind.
I can't recall exactly, but.... something about the pot calling the kettle black.

ronan01 spends most of this thread talking to himself, personally I have never bothered reading his posts, he is either employed by the oil industry, or the first sign of madness is talking to one's self.

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Post by papafarang » May 25, 2016, 9:15 am

ronan01 wrote:
ronan01 wrote:
papafarang wrote:
ronan01 wrote:Renewables - the greentard folly:

- Only fossil fuels and nuclear fuels have the ability to power megacities in 2050, when over half of the then 9B people will live in them.
- The more severe predictions of climate change over the last 25 years are simply not happening, it makes no sense to deploy the more costly options for renewable energy.
- Abandoned infrastructure projects (such as derelict wind and solar farms in the Mojave desert) remain to have their progenitors mocked for decades.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download. ... b8427fc72d
what a load of rubbish you copy and paste
posting spam now :lol:
Gee - you read that article quickly - what an intellect you must have! Not to mention an open mind.
What, no rapid retort or comment on the fact that:

Modern civilization begun with the first industrial revolution which was enabled by fossil fuels.

Modern mobility, health, lifestyles, diet, education system, and culture are impossible without fossil fuels

Fossil fuels provided over 90% of the energy consumed on the earth since 1800

Currently geothermal, hydro and nuclear power, and biofuels like wood and straw, account for about 15% of energy use.

Renewable energy (wind, solar, and cultivated biomass) provide about 1% of world energy.

Fossil fuels growth is seven times that of low carbon energies and the ratio of fossil fuel energy used to total energy used has remained unchanged since 1990 at 85%.

The eco-loony call to decarbonize the global economy by 80% by 2050 is as stupid as it gets, because it is only possible to do if we are happy to see large populations die from starvation, destitution or violence without enough low-carbon energy to sustain modern society and civilisation.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download. ... b8427fc72d
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Post by papafarang » May 25, 2016, 9:16 am

more spam than CP doods
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Post by ronan01 » May 25, 2016, 9:39 am

papafarang wrote:more spam than CP doods
Just what I expected - no intelligent comment from you on:

Modern civilization begun with the first industrial revolution which was enabled by fossil fuels.

Modern mobility, health, lifestyles, diet, education system, and culture are impossible without fossil fuels

Fossil fuels provided over 90% of the energy consumed on the earth since 1800

Currently geothermal, hydro and nuclear power, and biofuels like wood and straw, account for about 15% of energy use.

Renewable energy (wind, solar, and cultivated biomass) provide about 1% of world energy.

Fossil fuels growth is seven times that of low carbon energies and the ratio of fossil fuel energy used to total energy used has remained unchanged since 1990 at 85%.

The eco-loony call to decarbonize the global economy by 80% by 2050 is as stupid as it gets, because it is only possible to do if we are happy to see large populations die from starvation, destitution or violence without enough low-carbon energy to sustain modern society and civilisation.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download. ... b8427fc72d

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Post by Udon Map » May 25, 2016, 10:50 am

ronan01 wrote:Modern civilization begun with the first industrial revolution which was enabled by fossil fuels.
Indeed, true. How many years ago was that? Things have changed.
ronan01 wrote:Modern mobility, health, lifestyles, diet, education system, and culture are impossible without fossil fuels
No, actually. These things all require power, but not necessarily power from fossil fuels.
ronan01 wrote:Fossil fuels provided over 90% of the energy consumed on the earth since 1800
Well, yes, since 1800. But things have changed. In 1850, for example, the leading causes of death were tuberculosis, dysentery and cholera. But now they have been replaced by things like heart disease, cancer and stroke. It's not 1800 any more.
ronan01 wrote:Currently geothermal, hydro and nuclear power, and biofuels like wood and straw, account for about 15% of energy use.
But, to continue your analogy of comparing to 1800, the use of these fuel sources is up dramatically and growing.
ronan01 wrote:Renewable energy (wind, solar, and cultivated biomass) provide about 1% of world energy.
Again, compared to 1800, up dramatically and growing.
ronan01 wrote:Fossil fuels growth is seven times that of low carbon energies and the ratio of fossil fuel energy used to total energy used has remained unchanged since 1990 at 85%.
That may well be true; but there are several significant factors holding the growth back. And, regardless, the quantity of fossil fuel is limited. We'll run out at some point. Not so with renewable sources of energy, of course, by definition.
ronan01 wrote:The eco-loony call to decarbonize the global economy by 80% by 2050 is as stupid as it gets, because it is only possible to do if we are happy to see large populations die from starvation, destitution or violence without enough low-carbon energy to sustain modern society and civilisation.
Well, apart from your unnecessary and counterproductive condescending comments about people who disagree with you, I've always believed that it's good to set ambitious goals, even if you don't ultimately attain them.

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Post by ronan01 » May 25, 2016, 11:08 am

Udon Map wrote:
ronan01 wrote:Modern civilization begun with the first industrial revolution which was enabled by fossil fuels.
Indeed, true. How many years ago was that? Things have changed.

And your point is what? Fossil fuels still power the modern world. Renewables provide about 1%
ronan01 wrote:Modern mobility, health, lifestyles, diet, education system, and culture are impossible without fossil fuels
No, actually. These things all require power, but not necessarily power from fossil fuels.

Renewables provide about 1%. Geothermal, hydro and nuclear power, and biofuels like wood and straw, account for about 15% of energy use. Fossil fuels the rest.
ronan01 wrote:Fossil fuels provided over 90% of the energy consumed on the earth since 1800
Well, yes, since 1800. But things have changed. In 1850, for example, the leading causes of death were tuberculosis, dysentery and cholera. But now they have been replaced by things like heart disease, cancer and stroke. It's not 1800 any more.

And again - your point is what? That causes of death have changed. Or that people are living much longer since 1800?

ronan01 wrote:Currently geothermal, hydro and nuclear power, and biofuels like wood and straw, account for about 15% of energy use.
But, to continue your analogy of comparing to 1800, the use of these fuel sources is up dramatically and growing.

Fossil fuels growth is seven times that of low carbon energies and the ratio of fossil fuel energy used to total energy used has remained unchanged since 1990 at 85%

ronan01 wrote:Renewable energy (wind, solar, and cultivated biomass) provide about 1% of world energy.
Again, compared to 1800, up dramatically and growing.

Fossil fuels growth is seven times that of low carbon energies and the ratio of fossil fuel energy used to total energy used has remained unchanged since 1990 at 85%


ronan01 wrote:Fossil fuels growth is seven times that of low carbon energies and the ratio of fossil fuel energy used to total energy used has remained unchanged since 1990 at 85%.
That may well be true; but there are several significant factors holding the growth back. And, regardless, the quantity of fossil fuel is limited. We'll run out at some point. Not so with renewable sources of energy, of course, by definition.

What are those factors? Be specific. There are estimated to be hundreds of years of fossil fuel reserves. Why rush into expensive solutions now?
ronan01 wrote:The eco-loony call to decarbonize the global economy by 80% by 2050 is as stupid as it gets, because it is only possible to do if we are happy to see large populations die from starvation, destitution or violence without enough low-carbon energy to sustain modern society and civilisation.
Well, apart from your unnecessary and counterproductive condescending comments about people who disagree with you, I've always believed that it's good to set ambitious goals, even if you don't ultimately attain them.

Pity you don't apply the same rules to those who use the term deniers and similar. Setting achievable goals is common sense, setting aspirational goals with others money is theft by other means.


And by the way - are you acting as a moderator or a contributor?

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