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Post by KHONDAHM » December 24, 2010, 4:18 am

JimboPSM wrote:For those who do not follow US politics all that closely but are actually interested in what he has (or has not) accomplished there is an “Obameter” on the Politifact website which tracks, analyses and rates over 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the 2008 election campaign.

It can be found here:
There is a lot of analysis on the Politifact site of claims made by many US politicians and political pundits; some of them have even been found to lie :shock:
This is truly a LAUGHABLE measure because to the MISINFORMED, it gives the impression that Obama can enact legislation unilaterally. Which of course he cannot because the Republicans are filibustering everything including legislation that REPUBLICANS sponsored themselves (!!!) which he supported. So, to be more accurate in measuring his performance in terms of the quantity of promises - and ignoring the weight or merit of each individually - one would need to add:

Promise Kept + Compromise + In the Works = 393/503 = 78% (excluding not yet rated)

Heck, looks pretty danged good to me even for a flawed performance measurement tool. Your link supports an argument that he has been very effective.



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Post by cookie » December 24, 2010, 12:29 pm

KHONDAHM wrote:
Promise Kept + Compromise + In the Works = 393/503 = 78% (excluding not yet rated)

Heck, looks pretty danged good to me even for a flawed performance measurement tool. Your link supports an argument that he has been very effective.
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Post by KHONDAHM » September 23, 2011, 8:19 am

Is anyone watching the Republican debates? It is physically painful for me to do it, but I am actually watching it on FAUX News (with barf bag at the ready). Surprisingly, they are asking substantive questions. Not surprisingly, every candidate (except Ron Paul) is skating with boisterous and shallow responses. Some laughably contradictory. For example, Romney was asked at what threshold is someone considered "rich"? He responds that he doesn't know, but he wants everyone in America to be rich. D'oh!

I don't see any of these folks as a real threat to Obama in the General Election. I'm reminded of a recent response Obama made when asked if he thinks he will win another term. He said the chances of him being re-elected are a whole lot better than his chances of being elected in the first place. Kudos!
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Post by randerson79 » September 23, 2011, 9:23 am

Well we finally agree on something! On the Republican side I see no one that I really like. Herman Cain is the only one that even sparks an interest. But a small interest.

On the other side. My opinion and my opinion only. I think Obama should admit his failure and not run for re-election. Again my opinion.

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Post by merchant seaman » September 23, 2011, 9:28 am

4 more years of yes we can? you must be dreaming. nothing but a complete failure
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Post by KHONDAHM » September 23, 2011, 10:03 am

Gah! I made it through the entire debate without shooting myself in the head to take away the pain. The fact checkers are going to have a long weekend! Bachman's closing comment says it all. She stated that Obama has the lowest approval ratings of any President in our lifetime. Errr...aaa huh...no. That would be George W. Bush, unless she thinks we were all born just yesterday. However, anyone voting for her would have to have been born yesterday.

I'm headed to the store to get some more pills to dull the pain. Seriously.
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Post by randerson79 » September 23, 2011, 10:23 am

WHAT??? Your not going to stay tuned to Sean Hannity??? :confused:

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Post by KHONDAHM » September 23, 2011, 10:29 am

randerson79 wrote:WHAT??? Your not going to stay tuned to Sean Hannity??? :confused:
Ha! If anyone ever catches me watching that hack, call the coroner because I must be long dead and petrified.

Self-correction: Nixon had a 24% rating 8/2/74. That puts him below Bush who hovered at 25% for a stretch. But you know how Republicans do their revisionism. They are likely to believe or invent whatever serves their narrative.
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Post by merchant seaman » September 23, 2011, 11:41 am

3 years in office and Obama is still pointing the finger at Bush. Time he starts taking blame for not fixing what he said he was going to fix. Unemployment for one. just another Jimmy Carter, surely the Democrates haven't forgotten him.
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Post by KHONDAHM » September 24, 2011, 3:47 am

It may not have occurred to you as most Republicans remain blissfully ignorant about how our government actually works, but this is not a dictatorship. Republicans have been blocking every effort in both houses of Congress because they know blissfully ignorant Americans do not understand how legislation is passed to fix the problems or how it can be blocked or the fact that the House of Representatives (contolled by Republicans, BTW) control the pursestrings. It is clear and the record shows that Republicans got us into this mess and are not only keeping us there, but are trying to make things worse at every opportunity. The purging of moderate Republicans during the 2010 elections ensured there would be no reasonable voices willing to compromise to effect solutions. Hence Obama is left negotiating with jerks who go so far as to turn against legislation they wrote and sponsored just because Obama embraces it. Of course, you cannot understand these things in proper context, but that is the way it is.
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Post by LoveDaBlues » September 24, 2011, 9:40 am

LDB comment: In my lifetime I could never remember any controversy regarding raising the debt ceiling (it dominated the news a few months back). So I decided to do a little research and found that scores of times the debt ceiling was raised without fanfare; in other words the raising of the debt ceiling was a "rubber stamp" issue. Lo and Behold.....with Obama as President it suddenly became a big issue. :-k Then I found this article below; read it and draw your own conclusions. (End of LDB comment)

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How many times was it the Republicans raised the debt ceiling again
under President Bush?

Five times the ceiling was raised, with nineteen times many of the
current leadership, including Eric Cantor and John Boehner and Mitch
McConnell voted to do so.

That resulted in five times over the 8 years of the Bush
Administration that the debt ceiling was raised, after the Bush
administration started with a SURPLUS from Clinton's administration.

Republicans, particularly Bush, campaigned on paying off the debt in
10 years.

Instead: June 2002 - a $450 Billion increase; May 2003 - a $900
Billion increase; November 2004 - $800 Billion increase; March 2006 -
$781 Billion increase; September 2007 - $850 Billion increase.

NINETEEN TIMES they voted to raise the debt ceiling!!

"But while the four Republicans in Congressional leadership positions
are attempting to hold the increase hostage now, they combined to vote
for a debt limit increase 19 times during the presidency of George W.
Bush. In doing so, they increased the debt limit by nearly $4
trillion."

Hypocrite Republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These would be the same Republicans, particularly Eric Cantor (and
John Boehner), who, in the words of Wikipedia:

"In October 2008, Cantor advocated and voted for the TARP program
which aided distressed banks."

Not surprsingly, Cantor was a campaign contribution recipient of
donations from Citigroup, which benefitted from the TARP bailout.

Of course, Cantor who now will only approve aid for the Joplin,
Missouri Tornado Disaster relief under the Obama Administration was a
big supporter for Hurricane Katrina Relief for the gulf.........and
was alleged to have received extensive campaign contributions from
companies where FEMA services were privatized, including Dewberry in
his home state of Virginia.

Perhaps the good people in Joplin, Missouri suffering from the Tornado
Disaster, for whom Cantor and other Republicans won't vote aid,
(unless it is taken from the pockets of other people who are
suffering, but never the wealthy or corporations who are their donors
and who receive generous tax cuts and subsidies) should have realized
that if they didn't bribe the Republicans with campaign donations they
shouldn't expect to benefit from government funds?

The 2010 elections were really more of an auction than anything else,
with the GOP looting government not to make it smaller, but to benefit
their campaign donors at the expense of the citizens of the United
States who are disaster victims.

Follow the money;

it won't be going into the pockets of average Americans harmed by
natural disasters.

But it does tend to go to corporations and a very few very wealthy
people.

Follow the money; it goes to politicians and their campaigns.

Shame on the GOP.

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Post by nkstan » September 24, 2011, 10:15 am

IMO,the concerns about the raising of the debt sealing is NOT JUST a political party issue.But we are at such a critical juncture involving Global World economies,that reducing our debt is paramount to our survival.The debt is unsustainable at these levels,we are wasting our resources and need to suffer some austerity,cut the Fed Gov't waste programs.

I think just about everybody agrees that private industry is far more efficient that gov't program economically,but many people have decided that the role of Gov't should be managing the business of the Nation,with,IMO,the BANNER of hopefully improving the living standards of those on the lower end of the economic scale,when the real truth.IMO,is that the spoiled middle class want more and more,supporting the lower classes to protect their own interests.

The problem is NO ONE is really willing to sacrifice,rich or poor!

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Post by KHONDAHM » September 24, 2011, 3:25 pm

Well, before or while we "suffer some austerity [and] cut the Fed Gov't waste programs", we need to increase revenues from those who can most afford it. That is something Republicans oppose vehemently. So, the latest proposal from Obama includes a majority of REPUBLICAN IDEAS offered up during previous negotiations or contained in previous Republican legislation to increase revenue. Things such as LOWERING the max tax rate in exchange for ridding the tax code of it's loopholes. The sort of loopholes that allow mega-corps like GE to pay ZERO taxes (!).

It is mathematically and practically impossible to reduce the deficit by spending cuts only. There needs to be revenue. Clinton demonstrated EXACTLY the right balance of revenue and expenditures which would have completely eliminated our national debt BY 2012 had Bush simply sat on his village idiot *ss and done absolutely nothing. Instead, he and the Republican Congress went on a drunken rampage of repealing fiscally sound and responsible legislation during his first 30 days in office. It's a fact. Look it up.

I hope and suspect Obama's first two years was the honeymoon with the Republicans and the last two years are the divorce. When he is reelected without having to worry about another bid (and hopefully with a Democrat Congress), he should show some real steel gonads and shove legislation through. If he does not get a cooperative Congress, I would like to think perhaps he will Executive Order his agenda into reality.


Wishful thinking, perhaps.
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Post by merchant seaman » September 24, 2011, 3:39 pm

REELECTED?? No perhaps, that' is wifhful thinking unles he does something dramatic in the next year. Even his health care plan won't survive.
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Post by KHONDAHM » September 25, 2011, 6:18 am

merchant seaman wrote:REELECTED?? No perhaps, that' is wifhful thinking unles he does something dramatic in the next year. Even his health care plan won't survive.
What? If you actually think ANY of the Republican candidates stand a chance in the General Election, you have been living in FOX world a little too long. At a minimum, he just needs to be a better choice than his opponent to win. Or, conversely, his opponent needs to be a better choice than him. In FOX world, there just needs to be an opponent.

Newsflash: Every single one of the Republican candidates has MAJOR electibility problems in a General Election. Just for kicks and giggles, choose the candidate you think will win the Republican primary and I will point out a sampling of their faults and how they could be attacked in a campaign. I'll wait a day or two to reply so that everyone who wants in can pick their favorite character for me to beat up on. I'll attack the concensus choice.
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Post by jimboLV » September 25, 2011, 7:50 am

You can always tell when KD is backed into corner, he invokes FOX News, even when it has nothing to so with the discussion. KD why don't you try thinking for yourself instead of just being a mouthpiece for the Socialist wing of the Democratic National Committee?

I predict that Hilary Clinton will be elected the next President of the US. She will be nominated at the last minute after polls show that Obama doesn't have a prayer of getting elected. She will defeat Newt Gingrich after a rousing campaign.

Wouldn't it be refreshing to have an election where both candidates are actually interested in the welfare of the country rather than their own personal ideological agendas?

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Post by gudtymchuk » September 25, 2011, 8:34 am

KHONDAHM wrote: I'll wait a day or two to reply so that everyone who wants in can pick their favorite character for me to beat up on. I'll attack the concensus choice.
:lol:
What you do is attack anyone or anything with a differing point of view. For a while you were entertaining but now your socialist diatribe is just old and tedious. But carry on. I'm sure someone out there still gets their jollies reading your crap.
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Post by cookie » September 25, 2011, 10:49 am

jimboLV wrote: Newt Gingrich
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you are joking of course :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
perhaps he will stand a chance if he takes Palin as his Vice President :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by nkstan » September 25, 2011, 11:27 am

cookie wrote:
jimboLV wrote: Newt Gingrich
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you are joking of course :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
perhaps he will stand a chance if he takes Palin as his Vice President :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Haha,Imagine what it would be like with You and LTB in the WH,then you could appoint KD as your socialist organizer! :lol:

Sarah Palin is a Buffoon,almost as bad as all the other candidates! :roll:

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