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Post by Kenr6583 » January 8, 2020, 8:04 am

Hmm, Trump got his wish, looks like World War III just kicked off. Iran just launched missiles at 2 United States military bases in Iraq.



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Post by papafarang » January 8, 2020, 8:08 am

New year, new endless war.
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Post by Khun Paul » January 8, 2020, 11:19 am

iran with all its posturing will ensure it will stay safe, sos they really have no appetite for a WAR per se, however using their proxy allies ( paid by them to act ) isolated incidents will happen , the time table not known and locations of hits also not known, but but could happen anywhere in the world
Trump as well, is a loud mouthed bully, luckily for the rest of the world American Military are not really that stupid , to start one either.

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Post by glalt » January 8, 2020, 11:42 am

It's hard for me to believe that Iran launched missiles and admitted it. Iran in in severe economic trouble and they have stepped into the trap. I would guess that the next Trump step will be to destroy their oil fields. Very few civilian casualties but crippling for their economy. No money, no terrorism. That could easily trigger a regime change. Iranian people would not like being hungry with their government supporting terrorists and having no food for the people.

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Post by glalt » January 8, 2020, 11:45 am

You can also bet that their nuclear program centers will also be attacked. Israel Mossad makes sure that the US knows where the vulnerable nuclear sites are located.
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Post by papafarang » January 8, 2020, 12:24 pm

Seems hard to believe ?. Well western mentality at work, 3 days mourning then off to war,it's quite simple really. The war has started so trump has 2 options, go to war or surrender. If you look it up on the internet you'll find an invation of a couple of places called Iraq and Afghanistan, even after the leaders were killed off and their governments were deposed they continued to fight,in fact still fighting. This is how it will go, always does. Even the Kurds are dancing for joy after getting shafted by the American terrorist forces.they might gets destroyed but they won't give up ever. And all this over trump's ego
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Post by RLTrader » January 8, 2020, 12:43 pm

Looks like Trump will just chalk this up as payment for his ****-up, one can hope. Time will tell

‘So far, so good!’ Trump tweets on Iranian strike

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Post by TJ » January 8, 2020, 2:32 pm

From U.S. President Trump, "All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning." Very calm and calculating. You do not want to be on this president's bad side.

If there are no American casualties, I think he will let Iran save face and then move against them with more economic sanctions. Trump is playing it well, if not superbly.

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Post by Kenr6583 » January 8, 2020, 3:49 pm

Hmm, there are no more sanctions that Trump can place on Iran to hurt them any more than they are already suffering economically. This is the reason why we are in this position in the first place. This is far from over. And it doesn't look like there's going to be any support from any other Western countries, can't call them allies any longer because Trump alienated them.

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Post by TJ » January 8, 2020, 6:03 pm

Sophisticated articles analyzing the U.S./Iranian situation are beginning to appear, such as the following.

"The Targeting of Soleimani Is a Major Blow to Iran
Hillel Frisch

Executive Summary: The targeting of Qassem Soleimani, commander of the Quds Force and arguably the second most powerful man in Iran after Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is a major blow to the Islamic Republic of Iran. His death will likely result in a devastating chain of suspicion and insecurity in Iran’s nodes of power. At first glance, one might think otherwise. The Islamic Republic and its proxies in Iraq and Lebanon have been, in the past two months, the target of massive demonstrations against the Iran-backed militias. Iranian consulates have been burned in, of all places, the Shiite holy cities of Najaf and Karbala in Iraq. Instead of “Yankee Go Home”, the protesters chanted “Iran, bara, bara”—“Iran Go Home” in Arabic. To deflect popular anger away from Iran, Kata’ib Hezbollah, a major militia in the larger pro-Iranian Hashd militia conglomerate, killed an American contractor. The intention of this killing was presumably to goad the US into a retaliatory strike that would defuse the anti-Iranian demonstrations in Iraq.

The US did indeed retaliate, and its attack was no doubt a good deal more than the militia had bargained for. In a devastatingly precise helicopter strike, at least 25 militia fighters were killed and twice that number wounded. Even less did the militia or its Iranian patron anticipate that Washington would keep going. In a far more dramatic move, the US killed Qassem Soleimani as well as Kata’ib Hezbollah commander Abu Hadi al-Muhandis, together with 13 others, in a targeted drone strike on Soleimani’s car and an accompanying minibus as they left Baghdad airport. The coffins were paraded through Baghdad from where they proceeded to Najaf and Karbala. The intention of the spectacle was not only to arouse major demonstrations against the continued American presence in Iraq, but also—in keeping with Tehran’s original intention in goading the US—to terrorize and silence the demonstrators who have been protesting Iran’s control in Iraq. Some might argue that the drone strike at Baghdad Airport was another example of a high-tech operation by the US against its foes that was a tactical success but a strategic failure. Holders of this view might infer, in light of the Iranian regime’s newly strengthened ability to stir outrage against the US, that it is coming out of this series of clashes as the winner despite the loss of Soleimani. This is an erroneous reading. Soleimani’s death is a major blow to Iran. Ayatollah Khamenei’s designation of Esmail Ghaani, Soleimani’s secondin-command, as Soleimani’s successor as head of the Quds Force is an indicator of the magnitude of that blow. Ghaani is in his sixties (as was Soleimani)—not the ideal age to take over a major undercover organization with tentacles throughout much of the Middle East and beyond. Over 20 years ago, sometime between the fall of 1997 and the first months of 1998, a younger, more vibrant Islamic revolutionary leadership chose 40-year-old Soleimani over his superiors to head this elite unit. Khamenei is older and less willing to take the risk of choosing a daring young commander, but that is not the only reason why he did not do so.

Even if the ayatollah were inclined to select a younger replacement, the targeting of Soleimani prevents him from making such a choice. The killing proves beyond doubt that the Iranian security system is riddled with informants. They knew when Soleimani left his secret hideout in Damascus, what plane he boarded, at which airport he was going to land, which vehicles he and his retinue entered upon landing, and exactly what time those vehicles were heading out of the airport. This suggests an information flow involving tens if not hundreds of informants closely connected to the upper echelons of the Quds Force. These informants could and did provide this information to their American counterparts in real time to get the US helicopters in position for the kill. The killing of Number Two in any country creates a devastating chain of destructive suspicion and anxiety in the corridors of power. Khamenei’s only choice in naming a successor was to choose from among old stalwarts who are above suspicion. Every individual who is newer to the organization and to the wider security network is now suspect. Many will no doubt be removed if not executed as Iranian counterintelligence teams try to identify the informants. The problem for the regime is figuring out who is going to replace them. Khamenei also understands the destructive relationship between imperialist expansion and the danger that the state’s security services will be penetrated. If Israel could uncover secret nuclear installations in Tehran, consider how much more readily the Americans, who have a massive presence in Iraq and Lebanon, can recruit Iraqis and Lebanese to penetrate the Iranian labyrinth in both states and from there work their way into Iran itself. The killing of Soleimani suggests that just as thousands have shown themselves willing to demonstrate openly against Iran, many others are choosing to be informers at a time when the Iranian rial is worth twothirds of its value less than two years ago. Most Iraqis love neither Iran nor the US and are sitting on the sidelines waiting to see which state’s influence prevails over their country. The killing of Soleimani was a massive show of American force because he was touted by Iran as invincible.

Photos of the funeral cortege show vehicles moving down a narrow Baghdad street, not a wide avenue. Had the cortege moved down a wider street, the relatively small number of mourning participants (in the hundreds to thousands) would have been revealed. This suggests that the many Iraqis, including Shiites, sitting on the sidelines are not with Iran. This interpretation is bolstered by Shiite spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Sistani’s decision to refrain from condemning the killing, a choice that no doubt reflects his reading of Shiite Iraqi opinion. Between “Yankees Go Home” and “Iran, bara, bara”, the second chant seems more attuned to the future. Thirty years ago, Yale historian Paul Kennedy wrote of the dangers of over-extended empires. Britain was his prime example. Tehran’s dwindling coffers as a result of US sanctions and this clear demonstration of American military supremacy suggest that a terrible fate awaits the Iranian ayatollahs: not only imperial retrenchment, but oblivion."

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Post by RLTrader » January 8, 2020, 6:12 pm

Israeli propaganda

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Post by Barney » January 8, 2020, 8:01 pm

It’s all propaganda until it actually happens.

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Post by Stantheman » January 8, 2020, 9:05 pm

RLTrader wrote:
January 8, 2020, 6:12 pm
Israeli propaganda
Proof or just normal anti-israel sentiment

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Post by Kenr6583 » January 9, 2020, 4:46 am

Stantheman wrote:
January 8, 2020, 9:05 pm
RLTrader wrote:
January 8, 2020, 6:12 pm
Israeli propaganda
Proof or just normal anti-israel sentiment
Just your normal everyday run of the mill anti-israel sentiment

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Post by AlexO » January 9, 2020, 8:15 am

RLTrader wrote:
January 8, 2020, 6:12 pm
Israeli propaganda
Just how do you make that assumption. Apart from his name??
Israel has far more to worry about from the Sunni regimes than the Persians. The double fact that the USA see's the Sunni's as an ally in this sectarian issue is quite unbelievable. Just remember it is Wahhabism that advocates beheading and sexual slavery for all non believers in the word of the great pe@@@file.PBUH

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Post by RLTrader » January 9, 2020, 6:54 pm

Stantheman wrote:
January 8, 2020, 9:05 pm
RLTrader wrote:
January 8, 2020, 6:12 pm
Israeli propaganda
Proof or just normal anti-israel sentiment
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, there is a very good chance it's a fu3ken duck.
Do your own research. If you buy it, then good for you.

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Post by Stantheman » January 9, 2020, 7:23 pm

RLTrader wrote:
January 9, 2020, 6:54 pm
Stantheman wrote:
January 8, 2020, 9:05 pm
RLTrader wrote:
January 8, 2020, 6:12 pm
Israeli propaganda
Proof or just normal anti-israel sentiment
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, there is a very good chance it's a fu3ken duck.
Do your own research. If you buy it, then good for you.
So you have nithing to back you up, just the standard do your own research.

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Post by tamada » January 10, 2020, 8:08 am

TJ wrote:
January 8, 2020, 2:32 pm
From U.S. President Trump, "All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning." Very calm and calculating. You do not want to be on this president's bad side.
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Post by Kenr6583 » January 10, 2020, 11:59 am

TJ wrote:
January 8, 2020, 2:32 pm
You do not want to be on this president's bad side.
You don't want to be on this presidents bad side? That's hilarious. What, he's going to make up a nickname for someone? What, throw more sanctions on someone until there's nothing else of sanction? What, add more tariffs to someone so the American consumer can pay more? His bullying has gotten old, and I don't think anyone is afraid of him any longer.

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Post by TJ » January 11, 2020, 9:27 am

Iran: Mullahs’ Tricks To Fill The Stage At Qasem Soleimani’s funeral
Tsarizm ^ | 01/10/2020 | Hassan Mahmoudi
Posted on 1/10/2020, 4:39:21 PM by MAGAlady

With The killing of Qassem Soleimani, Iran supreme leader Khamenei lost his most important handler and lever in the middle east region. Khamenei did not say anything at the funeral, he just cried. Khamenei, at great expense, tried to drive around the casket of this butcher of people, who also made 6 million Syrians homeless, in the city of Mashhad, Ahwaz, Qom, Tehran, and Kerman. Government propaganda for the funeral of this criminal is reminiscent of Hitler’s fascist propaganda in June of 1942 for Reinhardt Heidrich, the main organizer of the Holocaust. Like Heidrich, Suleimani was a cruel executioner and right-hand man of his leader.

The tricks for gathering crowd for Qasem Soleimani’s Funeral were despicable.

The Iranian regime attempted to convert Qasem Soleimani ‘s funeral into an injection of fresh blood into its propaganda, and raw materials for its propaganda agencies.

Qasem Soleimani’s death is a significant blow to the Islamic Republic…militarily and politically. However, the Regime wants to pick up the fruits of its investment by kick-starting its extensive and expensive project of making a hero out of him.

The regime asked students at the Iran’s University of Sanaye to attend Khamenei’s prayer at the body of Qasem Soleimani at the University of Tehran, in order to get a passing marks in their courses. Government centers, schools, and colleges were closed.

The regime in a formal statement mentioned it would pay for the free trip, breakfast, lunch, and dinner in order to bring a larger crowd to the burial ceremony in Shiraz.

A witness from Varamin south of Tehran said: “The crowd you see at the funeral is because the regime has closed all schools and offices. 1000s of servings of food were given to the hungry people, and the hungry people ate the food and left early, and there was no one left to pray. Regime officials said we made a mistake we had to have the ceremony first and then have given the food.

In Mashhad, the government ordered that all businesses, markets, and malls around the shrine of Imam Reza closed for half a day or a full day. The Ferdowsi’s market in Mashhad was forced to be closed until 3 pm. If the shop was open on Mofateh Street, the owner would be warned.

The Ministry of Education has instructed all teachers that students should all compose an essay on Qasem Soleimani and must light candles and cry in classrooms.

One of the people in Mashhad said: “By Saturday, January 4, the crowd had been transported to Mashhad by bus from different villages. From our village, which is 240 km away from Mashhad, they brought 150 families in buses promising them 3 meals a day and free accommodation.”

At 11 pm on Saturday, January 4, in Ahmadabad Street in Mashhad, the regime was giving out photos of Qasem Soleimani and asked people to put the photo on the windshield of their car, but the majority of people would throw the photos out of their windows.

Most of the personnel of Rajaii Shahr Prison were dispatched to the funeral of Qasem Soleimani on Monday, January 6.

On Monday, January 6, a school principal in Tehran telephoned each of his staff and told them, “Whoever is at the funeral of Qasem Soleimani should get himself a selfie, he/she will have both an afterlife reward and a 200 Tomans from school.”

In Kerman, many posters and banners were circulated on the intersections and across the city, none of which were approved by the people, and all were opposed to this circus. People were happy with the death of Qasem Soleimani.

These are just a few of the hundreds of incidents that citizens have reported.

The regime has tried hard to portray Qasem Soleimani as a “national hero”; Ali Khamenei’s representative in the Quds Force said that ” Qasem Soleimani did not receive a rial or a dollar for his missions.” Everyone knows that Qasem Soleimani in Iran had a huge network from the IRGC to the municipalities, the Endowment Organization to the Red Crescent, the Ministry of Defense’s Quds Force, and even an independent financial network, and he could distribute cash and distribute weapons to his forces within 24 hours. He was the number one man in regional diplomacy in the Islamic Republic. He was a drug dealer and fed the Qods terrorist force with drug money.

The regime’s elaborate and expensive ceremonies and propaganda are happening. As soon as the families of martyrs of the uprising announced that they would hold a mourning ceremony on December 25th, the regime brought 400,000 armed forces into the streets to stop people to participate in any ceremony.

However, in various Iraqi cities, the slogan of the curse on Qasem Soleimani, “I am Iraqi”, was heard in the streets of Baghdad and Karbala and Nasserieh.

On Sunday morning the 5th of January, Iraqi revolutionary youths, along with students in southern cities and provinces, including Nasiriyah, Basra, Diwaniyah and Karbala began a strike against the illegitimate government and mercenaries of the Iranian regime.

Khamenei’s mercenaries, who tried to glorify Qassem Suleimani and Abu Mahndes by driving around their empty casket, met with youth resistance. Hashed al-Sha’abi mercenaries fired on people in Nasserieh, killing one youth.

Al-Arabiya reports after youth were killed in Nasserieh people set fire to the Hashed al-Sha’abi office in Dhi Qar.

In addition to burning the Hashdal-Shaabi office, the youths burnt the car of the Mullahs regime’s mercenaries who had come to Habobi Square with empty caskets of Qasem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi Mohandes.

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