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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by tamada » November 22, 2020, 1:19 pm

^ Including "soldier C" who was filmed on army-issued bodycam shooting an unarmed farmer sitting on the ground point blank in the chest?



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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by Whistler » November 22, 2020, 3:21 pm

AlexO wrote:
November 21, 2020, 7:03 am
Whistler wrote:
November 20, 2020, 8:18 pm
AlexO wrote:
November 20, 2020, 7:27 pm
'allegedly', 'possible prosecution'. 'commanders in the Special Air Service Regiment between 2008 and 2012 be reviewed'; Not one actual fact just left wing bilge talk again.
Alexo,

The person in charge of the investigation is decidedly right wing. Stop taliking crap, this is a subject that has legs. If there is nothing wrong, then the truth in a decidedly non partison review will exonerate.

If otherwise, then otherwise.
That will be the same as the now bankrupt ambulance chasing UK lawyer who was found guilty of paying Iraqi's for false statements about British Army soldiers abuse. Scum was paid millions in legal aid then was suddenly bankrupt the day he was found guilty of fraudulent claims against soldiers. And you wonder why I think it is you and the rest of your left wing outraged snowflakes who are talking crap. I suppose you think that the terrorists only kill and maim the filthy evil western soldiers in uniform and not innocent children and farmers trying to live a nearly normal life.
Brendan Nelson is a left wing snowflake? Gee, thanks for letting us all know. I mistakenly thought he was a conservative ex Minister for Defence.
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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by glalt » November 22, 2020, 4:24 pm

tamada wrote:
November 22, 2020, 1:19 pm
^ Including "soldier C" who was filmed on army-issued bodycam shooting an unarmed farmer sitting on the ground point blank in the chest?
That was likely right after the farmer planted an IUD.

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A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by Barney » November 22, 2020, 4:33 pm

Once again UM members are showing their absolute expertise on a delicate subject and throwing the hang em high guilty verdict out there with gay abandon from a perhaps only a 500 page report which has only just been released only with recommendations.

Here’s another side of the story and comment from an ex Aussie soldier who is the recently commenced Australia 1 political party leader.
Ricardo Bosi.

Just the first 15 minutes


https://youtu.be/bV-5uJ6iccY


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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by noosard » November 22, 2020, 5:04 pm

The bright side to this is the Oz gov and maybe other govs will leave the rock growers to themselves
With oil on the way out and no one really needing camels or dates the boys can stay home

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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by jackspratt » November 22, 2020, 5:29 pm

Barney wrote:
November 22, 2020, 4:33 pm
Once again UM members are showing their absolute expertise on a delicate subject and throwing the hang em high guilty verdict out there with gay abandon.....
Can you point out who on this thread has stated the soldiers are guilty ..... let alone "hang 'em high"

There has been a report, and based on that further investigations will be conducted and recommendations made, after which prosecutions may be bought, from which guilty or not guilty verdicts will be rendered.

And for those found guilty, punishments meted out.

It's know as rule of law, which does not exempt certain people because they happen to wear a uniform, of whatever description.

Your Mr Bosi seems to be an interesting fellow. I didn't watch the whole video, but I gather he isn't impressed with the possible overlooking of the roles and responsibilities of the more senior officers. I totally agree.

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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by Whistler » November 22, 2020, 5:57 pm

Hmmm. Bosi, at the very exreme right of Australian politics, stood for Bernadi's Australia Conservative Party before it folded for lack of any real support for their alt-right views. He is ex-services but based on his past track record, I wouldn't anticipate his views will be held in any regard.
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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by tamada » November 22, 2020, 6:32 pm

glalt wrote:
November 22, 2020, 4:24 pm
tamada wrote:
November 22, 2020, 1:19 pm
^ Including "soldier C" who was filmed on army-issued bodycam shooting an unarmed farmer sitting on the ground point blank in the chest?
That was likely right after the farmer planted an IUD.
What? The IUD that never exploded or was never found because in this instance it didn't exist and wasn't even the reason why they were conducting this sweep?

If you want to actually watch the video in question, nobody's stopping you. The only bits that are pixelated are the faces of the those innocent until proven guilty.

Admittedly, video of only three soldiers "going tropo" is the attention grabber here. The backstory is the unqualified and comparatively un-investigated rejection by their upper command of legitimate local complaints by locals filed through legitimate channels.

There's absolutely no denying that the trained specialist soldier can crack under the stresses and strains of front-line armed conflict that the vast majority of people will never, ever experience. It's not acceptable for more experienced, better-trained, higher paid and ultimately more responsible officers to abrogate that responsibility and possibly turn a blind-eye to such excess. I would hope any meaningful investigation would make allowances for the former and rightfully vilify the latter. History dictates that maybe this may not happen.

If a culture of acceptance was allowed to prevail that pressured the greater number of soldiers to fear for their professional career and physical well-being if they called out these crimes, that does need investigation and punishment when due.

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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by tamada » November 22, 2020, 6:46 pm

noosard wrote:
November 22, 2020, 5:04 pm
The bright side to this is the Oz gov and maybe other govs will leave the rock growers to themselves
With oil on the way out and no one really needing camels or dates the boys can stay home
When it comes to oil and gas, Afghanistan's location as a conduit for pipelines from neighboring nations far exceeds their paltry reserves. However, have a shuftie at their mineral resources on wiki. Maybe the renewables protagonists will need military assistance going forward?

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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by jackspratt » November 22, 2020, 8:59 pm

glalt wrote:
November 22, 2020, 4:24 pm
That was likely right after the farmer planted an IUD.
Are contraceptive devices even legal in Afghanistan ....... particularly when planted (no pun intended) by medically unqualified farmers?
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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by jackspratt » November 22, 2020, 9:03 pm

Whistler wrote:
November 22, 2020, 5:57 pm
Hmmm. Bosi, at the very exreme right of Australian politics, stood for Bernadi's Australia Conservative Party before it folded for lack of any real support for their alt-right views. He is ex-services but based on his past track record, I wouldn't anticipate his views will be held in any regard.
Yes, I gleaned a bit about his background before I posted.

"Interesting" is capable of several connotations. :D

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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by Whistler » November 22, 2020, 9:43 pm

jackspratt wrote:
November 22, 2020, 9:03 pm
Whistler wrote:
November 22, 2020, 5:57 pm
Hmmm. Bosi, at the very exreme right of Australian politics, stood for Bernadi's Australia Conservative Party before it folded for lack of any real support for their alt-right views. He is ex-services but based on his past track record, I wouldn't anticipate his views will be held in any regard.
Yes, I gleaned a bit about his background before I posted.

"Interesting" is capable of several connotations. :D
I thought this Jack, just wanted to elaborate. Anybody that followed Bernadi needed therapy, he was one angry dude. I met him at a byelection for Ryde a few years back, I was going to give him a piece of my mind. In walks Bernadi, 195cm, maybe 125kg of pure muscle, every centimetre unadultered menace. I revised my intentions, in doing so displaying a fair degree of sheer cowardice and thoughts of self preservation.

Now he is several thousand kilometres away......and so's ya mother, you italian twit!
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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by Whistler » November 22, 2020, 10:12 pm

glalt wrote:
November 22, 2020, 4:24 pm
tamada wrote:
November 22, 2020, 1:19 pm
^ Including "soldier C" who was filmed on army-issued bodycam shooting an unarmed farmer sitting on the ground point blank in the chest?
That was likely right after the farmer planted an IUD.
It was more likely planted by a Taliban thug using explosives supplied by either the USA or Pakistan. The Taliban are a group that has been so indoctrianted with hatred that they lack all human compassion. They fought the Russians who tried to take over their country, this resistance was of coursed financed by the USA who helped nuture this monstorous, idealogically warped movement.

America had no qualms about arming these murderous thugs, because they were fighting communism. A monster fed by the CIA and niaive US administrations. When the monster escaped the lab, they have never been able to reverse the damage done. Just another foreign relations failure from the USA. Neither the Taliban nor Al Quada would be as powerful as they are without bungled US interference.

But you blame a poor farmer who was murdered in cold blood, BS galt. You judge a farmer to be a murderer with zero knowledge of this sad event. Don't condone thuggery and murder. As part of the civilized world, hopefully we are better than that, and are above the murderous rage that drives the Taliban.

If we cannot do that, we are no better than them.
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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by Sport » November 23, 2020, 1:40 pm

Whistler wrote:
November 22, 2020, 10:12 pm

That was likely right after the farmer planted an IUD.
You judge a farmer to be a murderer with zero knowledge of this sad event.
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And do you Whistler have knowledge of this incident. Please let us know.

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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by Whistler » November 23, 2020, 2:01 pm

No Sport, I have no knowledge of this specific instance.

I know a couple of Special Service guys as well as a civilian contract security guy who served in Afghanistan, so some background about that theatre of war. Not unlike many of these sort of no-win guerila wars. Civilians seem to be the meat in the sandwich, intimidated into co-operating with local forces (Taliban, Viet Kong) etc. Very sad these war torn countries. I am 100% against ex-judicial killings, but see so many veterans mentally damaged from their experinces that I suspect their judgement is impaired by the brutality they experiences, they too become victims.

Co-incidently my father served in that part of the sub continent in the 1920' and 30's with the British Army (He was in the Hussars). Matching his recollections with what is happening now, not much has changed.
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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by tamada » November 23, 2020, 3:39 pm

^ Actually it's @glalt that mistook an IED for an IUD and thus introduced some degree of fake news to this discussion. Not totally unexpected.

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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by Whistler » November 23, 2020, 4:00 pm

Sport wrote:
November 23, 2020, 1:40 pm
Whistler wrote:
November 22, 2020, 10:12 pm

That was likely right after the farmer planted an IUD.
You judge a farmer to be a murderer with zero knowledge of this sad event.
And do you Whistler have knowledge of this incident. Please let us know.
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This quote is not from me, it was quoted from glalt
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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by AlexO » November 26, 2020, 10:23 am

jackspratt wrote:
November 22, 2020, 5:29 pm
Barney wrote:
November 22, 2020, 4:33 pm
Once again UM members are showing their absolute expertise on a delicate subject and throwing the hang em high guilty verdict out there with gay abandon.....
Can you point out who on this thread has stated the soldiers are guilty ..... let alone "hang 'em high"

"A huge stain on the reputation of the Australian Defence Force, and a slap in the face of those who served, and continue to serve, with honour."

Your words Pratt, by inference you presume guilt, or at least agreement with the rag report. OR DID YOU JUST FORGET.

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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by jackspratt » November 26, 2020, 12:42 pm

The ADF seems to be taking this seriously.
At least 10 current members of the elite Special Air Service Regiment implicated in the damning Afghanistan war crimes inquiry have received termination notices from the Defence Department......

...... The personnel are suspected to have been "accessories" or "witnesses" to alleged murders carried out by other Special Forces soldiers but are not among the 19 personnel who Justice Brereton recommended be referred to Federal Police.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/ ... n/12920946

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Re: A Shadow of Darkness From Australia.

Post by Whistler » November 26, 2020, 1:33 pm

We take these young men. Profiled for thier aggression, tell them they are the elite of the elite, then place them in terrible places where they can only rely on their combat skills and their mates. They see their enemies commit dreadful atrocities.

No surprises we get these outcomes.
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