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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by tamada » January 6, 2022, 7:47 am

Aha! I see the Israel-Jew conflation thread has been kick-started for 2022.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/0 ... muel-katz/
Claims of Occupation and Illegal Settlements as an Excuse to Call for Genocide
Once one knows and understands the ways in which many of these bad operatives think and act, it becomes obvious that they cannot be appeased, accommodated, or converted into peace-loving individuals. For the Radical Muslims, even if Israel made the most generous concessions, including committing national suicide and closing down the country, the Radical Muslims would continue to move toward conquering the entire Land of Israel and the rest of the free world, with the intended dream of imposing the rules of Radical Islam and Shariah law across the globe. For the Radical Left, it would not stop their desire to gain absolute power and totalitarian domination, such as we are seeing currently in China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea. For the Radical Right, their level of brainwashing would be very difficult to reverse easily. They would need a durable, extended, and wise program of proper education, that would address their wild conspiracy theories and irrational principles. The rehabilitation program would have to start at an early age and include the adults too.

Providing these groups with financial support and political recognition and connections will only make them better-financed and better-connected malicious operatives, and it will not make our world a better or more peaceful place.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Declan MacPherson » January 12, 2022, 7:34 am

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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/0 ... itzgerald/
Biden Administration Provides Still More Money to UNRWA

Joebama continues to do all he can to fund terror.
Hundreds of millions of refugees who have been created by the wars, conflicts, natural disasters, droughts, and famines since the Second World War must share a single U.N. Agency, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, to look after their wellbeing. But there is one U.N. organization, the UN Relief and Works Agency, or UNRWA, that is devoted exclusively to the care and feeding of one hugely privileged group of refugees, those known as “Palestinian refugees.” Having their very own agency is not the only distinction that puts “Palestinian refugees” above all other refugees in the world. Uniquely, “Palestinian refugees” include all the descendants – children, grandchildren, and so on without end – of the original refugees; no other refugees in the world are allowed to pass on their refugee status as an inheritable trait.

The Taylor Force Act is an Act of the U.S. Congress to stop American economic aid to the Palestinian Authority (PA) until the PA ceases paying stipends through the Palestinian Authority Martyr’s Fund to individuals who commit acts of terrorism and to the families of deceased terrorists. This system of stipends to imprisoned terrorists and to the families of terrorists who were killed while carrying out their attacks is known, pejoratively and correctly, as the “Pay-For-Slay” program. The Act was signed into law by U.S. President Donald Trump on March 23, 2018. Several cuts were made to the aid given to the PA, with the last one made on August 24, 2018, ending all direct American aid to the PA.

Also in August 2018, the United States ended all aid to UNRWA, cutting off $300 million. That ending of aid to UNRWA was made for two reasons. First, it was a way to express American outrage with the UNRWA’s use of schoolbooks that remain full of antisemitic passages, despite repeated promises by UNRWA that it would be revising, or replacing, those texts. It has yet to do so. Second, the Trump Administration was expressing its frustration with the unique treatment of “Palestinian refugee” status as inheritable, which has meant that the UNRWA rolls constantly expand. In ending its aid, the Trump administration was putting pressure on UNRWA to halt this inexorable increase in the number of “Palestinian refugees.”

Now, in January, the Biden Administration has just announced a payment of $99 million to UNRWA. This is in addition to the $318 million previously given to UNRWA in the 2021 fiscal year. More than $400 million has thus been provided by Washington to UNRWA, even though the antisemitic texts used in its schools remain unchanged. It has also renewed hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the Palestinian Authority, even though the Pay-For-Slay program remains in force – and Mahmoud Abbas insists he will give his “last penny” to keep that program running no matter what the Americans think. The Bidenites have tried to claim that this renewed financial assistance to the PA does not violate Taylor Force because it is “humanitarian.” But this is absurd; there was no exception made in the Taylor Force Act for “humanitarian” aid. Besides, money is fungible. If you give the PA $300 million in “humanitarian aid,” that will simply free up other sums It possesses to spend on such things as anti-Israel propaganda and, especially, on the Pay-For-Slay program that rewards past, and incentivizes future, acts of terrorism.

Since the Bidenites are shameless in their violating both the letter and the spirit of the Taylor Force Act, it will be up to the Republicans in Congress, possibly with a few decent Democratic defectors, to raise holy hell about the American aid currently being given to the PA. They can take turns reading aloud, again and again – emulating Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes To Washington — the Taylor Force Act in both Houses of Congress and ask, in mock astonishment and genuine dismay, why the Biden administration is so determined to lavish largesse on the Palestinians, and so indifferent to enforcing Taylor Force, which was passed overwhelmingly by the people’s representatives. The Republicans should seek to pass an amended version of the Taylor Force Act that explicitly says there will be no exceptions made for any kind of aid, including “that which some have called “humanitarian,” as long as the Pay-For-Slay program remains.

But there is still more that Congress can do, which is to make the Taylor Force Act applicable not just to aid to the PA, but also to aid to UNRWA. Both kinds of aid, after all, have the same intended beneficiaries: Palestinians, and “Palestinian refugees.” It makes sense to pressure UNRWA by denying it support, which will understandably prompt the Agency to put its own pressure on the PA to finally put an end to the “Pay-For-Slay” program. And that result, devoutly to be wished, should chasten the o’erweening Bidenites, who thought they could simply ignore the Taylor Force Act but, in so doing, caused an infuriated Congress, as Biden and Blinken used to say about the Iran deal, to “lengthen and strengthen” it.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1813 ... atrocities
Why Palestinian Leaders Ignore Arab Atrocities
For now, it seems that the Palestinian leadership is ignoring not only the "tragedies" of its people in Syria, but even the complaints about the failure of the Palestinian officials to raise the issue with the Syrian government.

The Palestinian leadership apparently does not want to assume any responsibility for its people in the Arab world because that would mean spending money on them and providing them with various services. Palestinian leaders would, it seems, rather keep the money for themselves than assist their own people.

The Palestinian leaders appear more concerned about the return of the Assad regime to the Arab League than the return of tens of thousands of displaced Palestinians to their homes in Syria. These leaders know that it is far easier -- and far safer -- to condemn Israel than to demand that Assad cease committing atrocities against the Palestinians. Spewing hatred against Israel has no price tag attached. Criticizing an Arab dictator, by contrast, can prove costly in the extreme.
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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/0 ... itzgerald/
Emma Watson is Right, Sort Of
Watson’s sentiment isn’t wrong, writes Stephen Flatow: the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank do indeed need to be free, but she’s sending her message to the wrong address. It’s not the Israelis who are keeping the Palestinians unfree, but their own corrupt and despotic rulers, both those belonging to Hamas in Gaza, and those belonging to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.
Both Hamas and the PA rule over their people with an iron fist. Those who dare to criticize the corruption and nepotism of their leaders, exemplified in Hamas by Khaled Meshaal and Moussa Abu Marzouk, and in the PA by Mahmoud Abbas, or to the lack of elections that makes a mockery of their claims to be democratic, are swiftly punished. The lucky ones are imprisoned. The most unlucky, like Nizar Banat, are beaten to death.

Elections? Nothing doing. Mahmoud Abbas is entering the 17th year of his four-year term as President, and he has put his time in office to good use, having accumulated with his sons Tarek and Nasser a family fortune of some $400 million. Abbas briefly contemplated holding elections in 2021, but as soon as he realized from the polls that he would lose the presidency by a wide margin — any candidate running against him would receive at least 60% of the vote — he promptly cancelled them, and hasn’t spoken of elections since.

Hamas is just as ruthless in Gaza. It routinely imprisons anyone who says a word against the terror group. No one dares to complain about the two Hamas leaders, Khaled Meshaal and Moussa Abu Marzouk, each of whom has a fortune of at least $2.5 billion, stolen from the aid money intended for the impoverished Palestinians in Gaza. In addition there are 600 Hamas millionaires living in lavish villas in Gaza; these are the relatives and friends of the Hamas leaders, enjoying their well-paid sinecures. Hamas has a long record, beginning with its campaign against Fatah, in 2007, of violence in Gaza. In its war on Fatah in 2007 it killed more than 100 members of the group; it also broke the arms and legs of anyone who, though not members, expressed support, however mild, for Fatah. Since 2007 Hamas has carried on inflicting violence to terrorize and crush any critics. It shoots dissenters in the legs, crippling them, or sometimes, Hamas goons break the arms and legs of those who complain about its rule. And every year there have been dozens of extra-judicial killings, in Gaza, of Hamas’ severest critics.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » January 22, 2022, 10:29 am

tamada wrote:
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Aha! I see the Israel-Jew conflation thread has been kick-started for 2022.

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Post by Earnest » January 23, 2022, 5:34 am

Or have you decided not to renew your membership of the Labour Party?
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Declan MacPherson » January 26, 2022, 9:38 pm

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https://www.jns.org/opinion/un-revises- ... l-inquiry/
UN ditches its rules for an anti-Israel ‘Inquiry’
Its founding resolution was crafted at the behest of Islamic states and what the United Nations calls the “State of Palestine.” It spells out a number of fantastically broad tasks connected by one overarching goal: to turn the Jewish state into a global pariah.
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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1816 ... roxy-jihad
Iran's Palestinian Proxy: Jihad against Israel and America
The Iran-backed Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), the second largest and hugely influential group in the Gaza Strip after Hamas, does not believe that the conflict with Israel is over Jerusalem, settlements, borders, checkpoints or Palestinian prisoners.

Qattati's article shows that PIJ and its masters in Tehran consider not only Israel as the "enemy," but the US too. This is the same Iran whose representatives are currently negotiating with the US and other world powers about reviving the 2015 nuclear deal.

PIJ is undoubtedly hoping that the talks in Vienna will allow Iran to proceed with its plans to deceive the world into thinking that it will end its support for terrorist groups throughout the Middle East or abandon its plan to obtain nuclear weapons.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » February 4, 2022, 4:53 pm

An update to my OP.
‘Apartheid state’: Israel’s fears over image in US are coming to pass

The likening of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians to white-ruled South Africa is growing more widespread in the US mainstream

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... d-us-image

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by tamada » February 4, 2022, 6:04 pm

Yes, but they jumped all over Whoopi Goldberg when she suggested the Holocaust wasn't a racial thing. Three apologies and she still gets suspended.
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Post by jackspratt » February 4, 2022, 10:25 pm

I wondered about that initially, but then remembered that Hitler and the Nazis were big on "race", whereby the Aryans were superior, and the "Jewish race" were only fit to be destroyed.

So in that sense, Ms Goldberg perhaps should have been a bit more aware.

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Post by papafarang » February 5, 2022, 8:33 am

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February 4, 2022, 10:25 pm
I wondered about that initially, but then remembered that Hitler and the Nazis were big on "race", whereby the Aryans were superior, and the "Jewish race" were only fit to be destroyed.

So in that sense, Ms Goldberg perhaps should have been a bit more aware.
i think Nazis were big on exterminating everyone.

Historians estimate the total number of deaths to be 11 million, with the victims encompassing gay people, priests, gypsies, people with mental or physical disabilities, communists, trade unionists, Jehovah's Witnesses, anarchists, Poles and other Slavic peoples, and resistance fighters.
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Post by tamada » February 5, 2022, 9:20 am

jackspratt wrote:
February 4, 2022, 10:25 pm
I wondered about that initially, but then remembered that Hitler and the Nazis were big on "race", whereby the Aryans were superior, and the "Jewish race" were only fit to be destroyed.

So in that sense, Ms Goldberg perhaps should have been a bit more aware.
But isn't the concept of the superior Aryan "race" and the non-human Jewish "race" solely the rationale of one group of white folks who wanted to persecute and obliterate some other group of white folks?

From wiki: "The Aryan race is an obsolete historical race concept which emerged in the late 19th century to describe people of Indo-European heritage as a racial grouping. The theory has been widely rejected and disproved since no anthropological, historical or archaeological evidence exists."

To me, if you base your claim to being a race on the totally wrong, illogical, oppressive and murderous false constructs of your oppressor, it seems like a cherry-picking exercise.

From wiki: "Jews or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group and nation originating from the Israelites and Hebrews of historical Israel and Judah. Jewish ethnicity, nationhood, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the ethnic religion of the Jewish people, although its observance varies from strict to none."
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Post by jackspratt » February 5, 2022, 9:39 am

The point I was trying to make was that the Nazis framed their extermination policy of the Jews around them being a "race", so from that perspective it was a "racial" thing. Unfortunately Ms Goldberg seems to have not realised this.

The question of whether or not the Jews actually constitute a "race" is a different, and contested, issue.

My view is that they don't.

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Post by tamada » February 5, 2022, 10:02 am

papafarang wrote:
February 5, 2022, 8:33 am
jackspratt wrote:
February 4, 2022, 10:25 pm
I wondered about that initially, but then remembered that Hitler and the Nazis were big on "race", whereby the Aryans were superior, and the "Jewish race" were only fit to be destroyed.

So in that sense, Ms Goldberg perhaps should have been a bit more aware.
i think Nazis were big on exterminating everyone.

Historians estimate the total number of deaths to be 11 million, with the victims encompassing gay people, priests, gypsies, people with mental or physical disabilities, communists, trade unionists, Jehovah's Witnesses, anarchists, Poles and other Slavic peoples, and resistance fighters.
No flat earthers then?
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Post by tamada » February 5, 2022, 12:11 pm

A more measured response herein from Jill Savitt, president and CEO of the National Center for Civil and Human Rights. It goes towards acknowledging that the Nazi definition of what constitutes race was wrong.

“No one can get into Whoopi Goldberg’s head, … But I think what she’s trying to say is that the Holocaust is about hatred. It’s about inhumanity. It’s about what human beings will do to one another that is inhumane, ... In Israel, being Jewish is rarely seen in racial terms, in part because of the country’s great diversity. Yet Jewish identity goes far beyond religion. Israelis typically refer to the “Jewish people” or “Jewish nation,” describing a group or civilization bound together by a shared history, culture, language and traditions and deep ties to Jewish communities overseas. ...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/abc-s ... -holocaust

The more I read, the more outdated and redundant the concept of race becomes as a definition of who you are.
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Post by joudon » February 5, 2022, 1:54 pm

To me Race has never been an issue. We are all
Of the human race. What is an issue to me are radical beliefs, and the way the way they are forced on us.
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Post by jackspratt » December 31, 2022, 11:20 am

I wonder why (the state of) Israel is so opposed to an independent examination of its policies around its occupation of parts of the West Bank and Jerusalem. :-k
The UN General Assembly has asked the UN's highest judicial body to give its opinion on the legality of Israeli policies in the occupied West Bank and east Jerusalem.

The Assembly voted by a wide margin, but with over 50 countries abstaining on Friday evening to send one of the world's longest-running and thorniest disputes to the International Court of Justice, a request promoted by the Palestinians and opposed vehemently by Israel.
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joudon wrote:
February 5, 2022, 1:54 pm
To me Race has never been an issue. We are all
Of the human race. What is an issue to me are radical beliefs, and the way the way they are forced on us.
Religion has imo always been used for control.
OR lack of it ( aka the Nazis ) I agree Race colour , creed never an issue only when they try to shove it down my throat, Mormons house to house calling, Jehovah Witnesses etc. Same as sexuality, not bother whether you bat normally or for the other side, care not one jot BUT tell me I must change to conform.......NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Khun Paul wrote:
December 31, 2022, 3:03 pm
joudon wrote:
February 5, 2022, 1:54 pm
To me Race has never been an issue. We are all
Of the human race. What is an issue to me are radical beliefs, and the way the way they are forced on us.
Religion has imo always been used for control.
OR lack of it ( aka the Nazis ) I agree Race colour , creed never an issue only when they try to shove it down my throat, Mormons house to house calling, Jehovah Witnesses etc. Same as sexuality, not bother whether you bat normally or for the other side, care not one jot BUT tell me I must change to conform.......NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by glalt » January 1, 2023, 11:59 am

I think Israel shows a lot of restraint trying to appease the Muslims and world liberals. How many billions of dollars has that small country spent on defense protecting themselves against their enemies. Before the iron dome, people were in constant fear of missiles launched by their neighbors and some still do get through. Iran says that Israel has no right to exist.

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