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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by glalt » May 12, 2021, 10:21 am

Why do you think so many Israeli citizens are armed? Why did they spend so much money on missile defense systems?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Armed+I ... WHPcUm_o6M



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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by AlexO » May 12, 2021, 11:30 am

glalt wrote:
May 12, 2021, 10:21 am
Why do you think so many Israeli citizens are armed? Why did they spend so much money on missile defense systems?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Armed+I ... WHPcUm_o6M
Exactly Glait, because they are surrounded by people who want them removed from the face of the earth, Same as a certain European Nation in the 1930's/40's.
Quite impressed with the results of their Iron Dome system in dealing with the hundreds of indiscriminately launched rockets the other night. Seemed to work a lot better than the very expensive Patriot System.
You have to feel sorry for the collateral damage casualties in Gaza but Hamas know Israel will always retaliate so why do it, while giving the usual God is Great cry to make it seem legitimate.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by tamada » May 12, 2021, 3:36 pm

glalt wrote:
May 12, 2021, 10:21 am
Why do you think so many Israeli citizens are armed? Why did they spend so much money on missile defense systems?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Armed+I ... WHPcUm_o6M
Becuz they're the fifty-first state of the US?

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » May 12, 2021, 5:34 pm

AlexO wrote:
May 12, 2021, 11:30 am
Quite impressed with the results of their Iron Dome system in dealing with the hundreds of indiscriminately launched rockets the other night.
Hamas Iron Dome.jpg

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by AlexO » May 13, 2021, 9:24 am

Udon Map wrote:
May 12, 2021, 5:34 pm
AlexO wrote:
May 12, 2021, 11:30 am
Quite impressed with the results of their Iron Dome system in dealing with the hundreds of indiscriminately launched rockets the other night.

Hamas Iron Dome.jpg
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Pretty damned accurate Udon Map.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by glalt » May 13, 2021, 11:02 am

Wouldn't be a better idea for the Arabs to invest in their economy rather than buying thousands of rockets? What kind of economy do the Arabs have? What products do they market?

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Post by Giggle » May 13, 2021, 11:07 am

What products do they market?
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by rick » May 13, 2021, 11:18 am

How can you invest when Israel strangles your economy?
Until 2007, and particularly before the Second Intifada, the Gazan economy was based on relatively high levels of export income from sectors such as agriculture, garments, furniture and light industry, including metal fabrication. Around 90 percent of exports were destined for Israel at an annual value of approximately USD 35-40 million.

From 2007 and up until 2010, Israel did not allow exports out of Gaza, and an unknown volume of goods was exported illegally through the tunnels to Egypt. From 2010, Israel allowed a trickle of exports (110 truckloads in all of 2010), and export values and volumes have increased somewhat over the past few years. In 2014, the total value of recorded exports was USD 1.5 million.

Israeli restrictions on access to raw materials and technical equipment, restrictions on Gazan exports (in 2014 Gazan exports and trade with the West Bank amounted to 0.02 percent of imports by volume), and limits on business travel in and out of Gaza, have all contributed directly to the collapse of the Gazan productive sectors, including agriculture and manufacturing. This low level of trade increases unemployment and poverty in Gaza.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » May 13, 2021, 6:21 pm

From the Quartet's home page:
Supporting the Palestinian people....
Ever wonder why the major Arab nations don't support the Palestinian movement? After all, wouldn't it be natural for them to support their Arab/Muslim brothers and sisters?

The Palestinian leaders don't support their own people. While infrastructure in Gaza is so poor that neither electricity nor water is reliably available, President Abbas built himself a palace. Perhaps that money could have been better used to improve the lives of his people. https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/b ... -continues.

Then there's Abbas' private jet (a Boeing Business Jet, the private version of the 737), which the Palestinians purchased in early 2018 for USD ~$50 million. I wonder how many COVID vaccine doses THAT could have paid for.

For comparison, Netanyahu has no jet; he travels in regular El Al aircraft. Nor has he spent tens of millions of taxpayer dollars to have one built. He lives in the Prime Minister's Residence, a house originally built in 1938 and purchased by the Israeli government in 1952.

Abbas was first elected in 2005. Ever wonder how he has stayed in power for so long? Easy. He has cancelled every election since then, including the most recent one, scheduled for this year.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » May 13, 2021, 8:10 pm

^ Red herring alert.

Not sure what it has to do with rick's post.

But then there is also the question of retained tax collections.

And if we are discussing corruption, what is the current status of Netanyahu's criminal prosecution?

And further, on the subject of private jets, what is this about?

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/EXT ... -1.8993542

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by AlexO » May 13, 2021, 10:11 pm

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/EXT ... -1.8993542

Pratt
One would have thought that most intelligent/semi intelligent people would understand the first paragraph of the link you shared. Sadly a few just dont get it or dont want to get it/or are incapable of getting it. Again your anti Israel/anti Semitism is showing. Just ignore what the Arabs/Persians are doing and blame it all on Israel.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » May 14, 2021, 12:34 am

jackspratt wrote:
May 13, 2021, 8:10 pm
And if we are discussing corruption, what is the current status of Netanyahu's criminal prosecution?
He has been convicted of nothing.
jackspratt wrote:
May 13, 2021, 8:10 pm
And further, on the subject of private jets, what is this about?

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/EXT ... -1.8993542
Interesting, -- learn something new every day.

Of course, I could point out that basically ALL of Abbas' constituents have insufficient food, water, electricity, housing, etc. Hardly the same for Israel. I could also point out that Israel's citizens have numerous opportunities to vote for or against Netanyahu in repeated elections. And the Palestinians? Abbas has figured out that the best way to stay in power is to cancel elections.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » May 14, 2021, 7:38 am

AlexO wrote:
May 13, 2021, 10:11 pm
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/EXT ... -1.8993542

Pratt
One would have thought that most intelligent/semi intelligent people would understand the first paragraph of the link you shared. Sadly a few just dont get it or dont want to get it/or are incapable of getting it. Again your anti Israel/anti Semitism is showing. Just ignore what the Arabs/Persians are doing and blame it all on Israel.
Most intelligent/semi intelligent people would read past the first paragraph.

The same people would understand the meaning of anti Semitism, and not make evidence-free grubby accusations. ;)

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Declan MacPherson » May 14, 2021, 8:16 am

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/05/1 ... be-killed/

Why won’t Israelis let themselves be killed?
Two weeks ago Turkish forces launched a military assault in the Duhok region of Iraqi Kurdistan. Villagers were forced to ‘flee in terror’ from raining bombs. It was only the latest bombardment of the beleaguered Kurds by Turkey, NATO member and Western ally. It did not trend online. There were no noisy protests in London or New York. The Turks weren’t talked about in woke circles as crazed, bloodthirsty killers. Tweeters didn’t dream out loud about Turks burning in hell. The Onion didn’t do any close-to-the-bone satire about how Turkish soldiers just love killing children. No, the Duhok attack passed pretty much without comment.

But when Israel engages in military action, that’s a different story. Always. Every time. Anti-Israel fury in the West has intensified to an extraordinary degree following an escalation of violence in the Middle East in recent days. Protests were instant and inflammatory. Israeli flags were burned on the streets of London. Social media was awash with condemnation. ‘IDF Soldier Recounts Harrowing, Heroic War Story Of Killing 8-Month-Old Child’, tweeted The Onion, to tens of thousands of likes. Israel must be boycotted, isolated, cast out of the international community, leftists cried. Western politicians, including Keir Starmer, rushed to pass judgement. ‘What’s the difference?’, said a placard at a march in Washington, DC showing the Israeli flag next to the Nazi flag. The Jews are the Nazis now, you see. Ironic, isn’t it?

This is the question anti-Israel campaigners have never been able to answer: why do they treat Israel so differently to every other nation on Earth? Why is it child-killing bloodlust when Israel takes military action but not when Turkey or India do? Why must we rush to the streets to set light to the Israel flag but never the Saudi flag, despite Saudi Arabia’s unconscionable war on Yemen? Why is it only ‘wrong’ or at worst ‘horrific’ when Britain or America drop bombs in the Middle East but Nazism when Israel fires missiles into Gaza? Why do you merely oppose the military action of some states but you hate Israel, viscerally, publicly, loudly?
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by tamada » May 14, 2021, 8:21 am

Declan MacPherson wrote:
May 14, 2021, 8:16 am
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/05/1 ... be-killed/

Why won’t Israelis let themselves be killed?
Two weeks ago Turkish forces launched a military assault in the Duhok region of Iraqi Kurdistan. Villagers were forced to ‘flee in terror’ from raining bombs. It was only the latest bombardment of the beleaguered Kurds by Turkey, NATO member and Western ally. It did not trend online. There were no noisy protests in London or New York. The Turks weren’t talked about in woke circles as crazed, bloodthirsty killers. Tweeters didn’t dream out loud about Turks burning in hell. The Onion didn’t do any close-to-the-bone satire about how Turkish soldiers just love killing children. No, the Duhok attack passed pretty much without comment.

But when Israel engages in military action, that’s a different story. Always. Every time. Anti-Israel fury in the West has intensified to an extraordinary degree following an escalation of violence in the Middle East in recent days. Protests were instant and inflammatory. Israeli flags were burned on the streets of London. Social media was awash with condemnation. ‘IDF Soldier Recounts Harrowing, Heroic War Story Of Killing 8-Month-Old Child’, tweeted The Onion, to tens of thousands of likes. Israel must be boycotted, isolated, cast out of the international community, leftists cried. Western politicians, including Keir Starmer, rushed to pass judgement. ‘What’s the difference?’, said a placard at a march in Washington, DC showing the Israeli flag next to the Nazi flag. The Jews are the Nazis now, you see. Ironic, isn’t it?

This is the question anti-Israel campaigners have never been able to answer: why do they treat Israel so differently to every other nation on Earth? Why is it child-killing bloodlust when Israel takes military action but not when Turkey or India do? Why must we rush to the streets to set light to the Israel flag but never the Saudi flag, despite Saudi Arabia’s unconscionable war on Yemen? Why is it only ‘wrong’ or at worst ‘horrific’ when Britain or America drop bombs in the Middle East but Nazism when Israel fires missiles into Gaza? Why do you merely oppose the military action of some states but you hate Israel, viscerally, publicly, loudly?
Oh my. I totally didn't expect that.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by AlexO » May 14, 2021, 8:46 am

jackspratt wrote:
May 14, 2021, 7:38 am
AlexO wrote:
May 13, 2021, 10:11 pm
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/EXT ... -1.8993542

Pratt
One would have thought that most intelligent/semi intelligent people would understand the first paragraph of the link you shared. Sadly a few just dont get it or dont want to get it/or are incapable of getting it. Again your anti Israel/anti Semitism is showing. Just ignore what the Arabs/Persians are doing and blame it all on Israel.
Most intelligent/semi intelligent people would read past the first paragraph.

The same people would understand the meaning of anti Semitism, and not make evidence-free grubby accusations. ;)
Antisemitism may be manifested in many ways, ranging from expressions of hatred of or 'discrimination' against individual Jews to organized pogroms by mobs or police forces, or even 'military attacks on entire Jewish communities'.

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Is referring to Israel as a State Built on Terrorism not discrimination therefor anti-Semitic? Is your refusal to condemn (and therefor by default support of) Hamas for the indiscriminate rocket attacks on the recognised State of Israel not a military attack on an entire Jewish Nation and therefor anti-Semitic? All these pro Palestinian Terrorist demonstrations taking place in the west just now are a sham, 50% are anti-Semitic and the other 50% could not point out Israel or Gaza on a map.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » May 14, 2021, 6:03 pm

Keep searching desperately Alex - at the moment you can't even comprehend your own posted definition.

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Post by Giggle » May 14, 2021, 6:48 pm

Social justice warriors always support the little guy, even when the little guy is a nitwit imbecile. The social justice warrior is willing to ignore all context, history, and facts in order to signal their virtue, no matter how stupid it makes them look. The social justice warrior will cheer for Davey over Goliath in hopes that Davey will take a shine to him. The social justice warrior wishes to highlight the oppression of others, even if it's a complete fabrication and absolute fiction, to validate their own victimization. Liberalism is a disease.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by AlexO » May 14, 2021, 7:50 pm

jackspratt wrote:
May 14, 2021, 6:03 pm
Keep searching desperately Alex - at the moment you can't even comprehend your own posted definition.
Keep going Pratt with your pathetic attempts at denial.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » May 14, 2021, 9:22 pm

I am getting confused here. If Israel was built on terrorism, it would seem most countries in the world also have to be classified as nations created through terrorism/war except for the Scandinavian countries, Australia, New Zealand and Canada...oh wait.
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