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Re: Baht What up with Dat?????

Post by BKKSTAN » October 7, 2009, 10:06 am

Luckily,I have very little need or desire for expensive desires anymore,so adjusting my lifestyle to the falling baht is not to difficult except for immigration requirements,which means maintaining a a bank balance to combat the possible future lack of income requirement with the drop in the baht!

With inflation in items like electricity,foods from stores,petrol,alcohol drinks and ''girlie costs'',I can see how some will have a difficult time in the future!

If proof for ''income statements'' from their embassy is ever initiated for Americans,I fear many will be under alot of pressure also! :shock:



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Post by aznyron » October 7, 2009, 11:27 am

well with all this hype which does scare me I will go back to the USA if I am going to be hurting no better place then home with my family I will send my wife as much as I can afford if I can not get her to the USA
she will survive and with a little help from me she will do OK sadly I blame this all on the past administration
with it greed and blind eyes and promoting more social programs may not be the wrong idea since many people will be broke and it the wealthy that created this mess with all there game playing with useless stocks & bonds so let them pay for the poor

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Post by bumper » October 7, 2009, 11:53 am

Unfortunatley guys I agree with your predictions. I'm afraid we might be past the point of no return. But, I have been surprised several times over the past years. I won't like it but I can now weather 20 if I have to. Major stuff out of the way and no bills.

I'm lucky I came when I did, I would not recommend it today for newbies.

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Post by aznyron » October 7, 2009, 12:19 pm

Bump I will not stay here if it hit 20 I could care less if I could live good at 20 I will not line the pockets of corrupt bankers so please do not even go there you might enlighten those M/F and I am sure you know what a M/F is

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Post by Stantheman » October 10, 2009, 4:03 am

For those who want to track the trend in exchange rates going back the past 5 years use the following link

http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-conve ... =THB;amt=1

You can put whatever from/to currency you want and if you click on 5 day trent it will take you to a good graph where you can select up to 5 years to track changes on the graph.

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Post by rick » October 10, 2009, 8:35 am

Jesus Stan, those 5 year trends look pretty awful. for GBpound if it was to continue, it would be 25 to the pound by 2015. Now that would cause me some pain.

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Post by bumper » October 13, 2009, 6:08 pm

Not just the Thai Baht
Asian Currencies Gain, Led by Rupiah, Ringgit, on Recovery
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By Clarissa Batino

Oct. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Asian currencies advanced, led by Indonesia’s rupiah and the Malaysian ringgit, as regional economies spearhead the recovery from a global recession and draw investment.

Growth in Indonesia, Southeast Asia’s largest economy, will gather pace through this quarter, according to estimates announced today by Finance Minister Sri Mulyani Indrawati said. Malaysia yesterday reported the smallest drop in industrial output in 10 months and South Korean Finance Minister Yoon Jeung Hyun forecast a “much better” economic performance for his country in 2010.

“Capital flows into Asia remain relatively robust and the growth outlook is superior,” said Mitul Kotecha, head of global currency strategy in Hong Kong at Calyon, the investment-banking unit of Credit Agricole SA. “The wall of cash sitting sidelined by the crisis is waiting to get back in the market. Asian currencies seem to be an attractive destination.”

The rupiah rose 0.5 percent to 9,445 per dollar as of 4:11 p.m. in Jakarta, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. It’s gained 15 percent this year and reached 9,350 on Oct. 8, the strongest level since September 2008. The ringgit climbed 0.2 percent to 3.3919, having also touched its highest level in more than a year within the past week. The Philippine peso rose 0.3 percent to 46.475.

The International Monetary Fund this month forecast Asia’s developing economies will expand 6.2 percent this year, while the U.S., Europe and Japan all contract. HSBC Holdings Plc last week raised its 2010 growth forecast for Asia excluding Japan to 7.6 percent from 6.9 percent, citing strong demand in the region and accelerating exports.

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Indonesia’s $514 billion economy expanded as much as 4.3 percent from a year earlier in the third quarter and growth is expected to accelerate to 4.5 percent in the final three months of the year, Sri Mulyani said today in Jakarta. Passenger-car sales in China, the world’s most-populous nation, jumped 84 percent last month to 1.015 million units, the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers reported today.

Global funds bought $19.4 billion more Korean shares than they sold this year through yesterday, and pumped more than $12 billion into equities in both India and Taiwan, exchange data show. The won has gained 7.8 percent this year versus the greenback, India’s rupee is up 4.7 percent and the Taiwan dollar has advanced 1.6 percent.

Buy Asia’

“The theme among investors is ‘buy Asia’ and that’s where the flows are going right now,” said Alan Cayetano, senior currency trader at Metropolitan Bank & Trust Co. in Manila. “The mindset is really bearish dollar.”

Central banks in the region have been “very, very active” in the last few days trying to stem appreciation that may hurt their exports, Calyon’s Kotecha said. Policy makers can try to influence exchange rates by buying or selling foreign exchange.

South Korea’s Ministry of Strategy and Finance said yesterday it will “take steps to stabilize the drastic won movements stemming from herd behavior,” while Bank of Thailand Governor Tarisa Watanagase said policy makers will intervene when necessary to stem volatility in the baht. The Philippine central bank has been buying dollars at the 46.45 to 46.50 peso level, according to Cayetano. Bank Indonesia sold dollars yesterday at 9,500 rupiah, said Joanna Tan, a regional economist at Forecast Singapore Pte.

The Korean won rose 0.1 percent to 1,168.80 per dollar in Seoul, having yesterday reached a one-year high of 1,164. Thailand’s baht and China’s yuan were both little changed at 33.33 and 6.8279, respectively. Financial markets in Mumbai were shut for a local holiday today.

To contact the reporter on this story: Clarissa Batino in Manila at [email protected].

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I'm afraid I have to Join Ron on this one, but, without the strong language. I don't believe for a second money is not flowing into the country just as the first article says.
Strong baht could hurt export targets
Published: 13/10/2009 at 12:00 AM
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Thailand's exports are unlikely to achieve 10% growth next year if the government leaves the baht's appreciation unchecked, exporters warn.

"Ongoing baht strength will harm Thai shipments and weaken our competitiveness," said Pornsil Patchrintanakul, deputy secretary-general of the Board of Trade.

Mr Pornsil was one of a group of leading executives from more than 50 trade associations who yesterday met with Veerasak Jinarat, the vice-minister for Commerce.

The baht, quoted yesterday at 33.35 to the US dollar, is currently trading at a 14-month high and is up 4.4% since January.

Exporters said the baht has appreciated significantly faster against the dollar than competing currencies such as the Chinese yuan or the Vietnamese dong, hurting Thailand's trade competitiveness.

Exporters yesterday called on the central bank to help maintain the baht at about 36 baht per dollar to keep Thai exports competitive particularly for agriculture and food.

But Bank of Thailand Governor Tarisa Watanagase said the baht was moving in line with other Asian currencies. There was no need for a repeat of the 2006 capital controls to try to prevent a rise in the currency's strength.

"We are still taking care of the baht," she said. "But there is no need to have any capital controls as we have not seen speculation in the currency yet."

The central bank does plan to diversify its foreign reserves with other currencies in coming weeks, she said.

"We will do what we can," she said.

The BoT has intervened steadily to slow the baht's rise to help Thailand's export-driven economy, but the currency's value against the dollar has still increased by about 2% since September.
The government is facing calls to help control costs by cutting import tariffs on raw materials and introducing a carbon tax.

Exporters urged the the government to accelerate establishing its own carbon and wastewater standards.

"The national carrier Thai Airways International, for instance, is subject to pay 800 million baht carbon tax to the EU in 2012 as it flies over EU's territorial sky and emits carbon dioxide to the global atmosphere," said Mr Pornsil. "The Thai government should also issue the same standards and requirements requiring other airlines to pay carbon tax to Thailand."

Vollop Vitanakorn, vice chairman of Thai National Shippers' Council also warned Thailand was expected to suffer from an unskilled labour shortfall of about one million people over the next five years, as unskilled workers return to the agricultural sector as agricultural product prices rise.

In addition, the government's free education programme is expected to yield a skills improvement that will add to segment's labour shortage, he said.

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Post by bumper » October 14, 2009, 9:05 am

Per Bloomberg as of 0845 Baht 33.26 and falling.

That time would fit yuor conspiracy theory Ron, dollar was up l else where for the most part. Now start cussing =; :lol: :pirate:

It' just the beginning of the day.

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Post by aznyron » October 14, 2009, 11:00 am

it all part of the plan just like the melt down of 2008 bankrupt the people

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Post by bumper » October 14, 2009, 12:05 pm

Hmm!!!! Still 33.26 but, the dollar is down across the board 1155 hours.

Wonder when we hit 29 again I'll take a wild guess February 2010

Hey my guess is as good as the experts 8-[ :pirate:

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Post by bumper » October 15, 2009, 6:26 am

Well the Editor is like the business people, haven't heard anything from the BOT as of yet. It's interesting there was a time when the world came together in support of the Euro, to get it out of the dumps. They may have to again. But. it won't be the EURO this time.

At this juncture it would appear China would be really the only likely canidate to produce a reserve currency. They are not ready for it nor do they want it in reality. So where do you go from there. In the meantime Thailands goods ride in cost all the time.

You know if yuor in th imagianry side of life in business this is a good deal, if you actually produce somethng for sale you are hurt by all this.

Everytime that up the dollar goes down baht goes, they hold a lot of dollars. So one way they win one way they lose. Hard to see much of an advantage, at best case it would seem they are running on a break even.
There are some making fortunes and some wondering how they will keep the doors open and thier employees working.

Who did the U.S. take care of the people who actual produce something, or the imaginary folks. I see little difference here.

The scarey thing here the political side of life that is far from over. More then likley the infighting and power struggle's is what will influence the baht.

Dollar itself has a long ways to go I see no relief there for a good amount of time.

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Post by aznyron » October 15, 2009, 8:00 am

well IMO the baht will not weaken to help the business man or the people only a chosen few will profit like they have been profiting and will not let that power go. the only way you will see it weaken is if it crashes
& burns which I am praying for for over 3 years. greed is addicting and they are full of addicts in the banking
world. You know when the world yes the world gave control of our currencies to the banks we no longer control our country and that applies to Thailand as well as the USA Banks destroy countries who will not
play in there game read the history of the Rothchilds you can search them on the net

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Post by BKKSTAN » October 15, 2009, 9:39 am

Read this editorial from the Nation:EDITORIAL
Baht's strength is not what it seems
By The Nation
Published on October 15, 2009

The Bank of Thailand needs to revamp its foreign exchange management strategy, or it could be in for a big shock



The Bank of Thailand is now facing a dilemma over how to manage the surging baht. It has been intervening frantically in the foreign exchange market to keep the baht from rising too fast and too soon. It is afraid that a strong baht will hurt exports. But the BOT is swimming against the tide of capital inflow and the current account surplus. Since the beginning of this year, the baht has risen 4.2 per cent to around Bt33.22 to the US dollar. If the trend continues, the baht could easily hit Bt32 to the dollar before the end of the year.


Actually, the baht is not getting stronger. It is the US dollar that is plunging on a downward adjustment. We only have to take a look at gold prices, which are reaching new record highs. Now, gold is trading at around $1,069 (Bt35,760) per ounce.


Investors are also leaving the financial markets and currencies and embracing hard assets instead. Confidence in the US economy and financial system is waning fast. For the US has not tackled the insolvency of its financial system. It has also continued to run a high deficit. Most important, the Federal Reserve will keep printing the dollar to meet debt obligations. Printing money will debase the value of the dollar. It will also threaten to create hyper-inflation in the future.


As of October 2, Thailand's international reserves (net forward position included) stood at $146.9 billion, an increase of 25 per cent ($28.9bn) from the beginning of 2009. The tide of capital inflow became noticeably significant from May, when international reserves surged by $19.3 billion or an average of $4.8 billion per month through to August. The trend did not slow in September. International reserves shot up $7 billion due largely to the BOT intervention via purchasing US dollarS.


By purchasing the dollar, the BOT pumps the baht into the system. Fearing that the baht might flood the financial system, it has to issue bonds to absorb the baht out. Between May and August, the BOT issued bonds totalling Bt24 billion ($700 million) or 3.6 per cent of US dollars purchased ($19.3bn). We would highlight that in September alone, the BOT issued bonds worth Bt135.8 billion ($4 billion) or 57.1 per cent of US dollars purchased ($7 billion). At the end of September, the outstanding BOT bonds stood at a high of Bt1.58 trillion versus Bt1.44 trillion in August.


There will be more capital inflow because investors around the world are shifting their funds to Asia, where growth prospects are brighter. This has created sleepless nights for BOT Governor Tarisa Watanagase. She said the authorities would closely monitor capital movements and denied that they would resort to measures to stem the inflow.


But since the BOT has been actively intervening to buy up the dollar, it is standing to lose money because the baht keeps on rising. When the total dollar reserves are booked in baht accounts, the BOT will post a big accounting loss. If the BOT loses money, it will create a loss of confidence. The BOT needs a revamp of its foreign exchange operation as the dollar value from its reserves keep on declining. If it does not manage the transition well, it will put the country's macro-economic stability at great risk.

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Post by laphanphon » October 15, 2009, 10:04 am

that explains a lot, though presently working, looks like they may be biting off more than they can chew in the future, if it goes TIT's up. :lol: :lol: :lol: hopefully ASAP :lol: :lol: :lol: me me me 8-[

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Post by bumper » October 15, 2009, 11:07 am

Ron, remind me to loan you the book on the 97 crash.

IMO Politics will trigger it.

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Post by aznyron » October 15, 2009, 3:35 pm

what are you saying Stan ? It seem to me if they are buying USD with Thai baht they are playing the hedge game plain & simple. waiting for the USD to get strong and dump the baht for 40 to 1 or higher. IMO
I do not think they have to wait to much longer the USD will bounce back the problem I see is they are keeping the baht strong which works against there Country example no tourism & no exports they can sell the thai people but I am not Thai I don't buy in to there B/S. I believe this was there plan just like the melt down was a phony plan to bankrupt the people orchestrated by the Banks namely the Fed reserve.
example when Clinton left office no debt surplus of money that not good for the F/R so they got the idiot to give it away which he did put the country back in debt now the F/R is making money again namely financing
two wars and with the melt down tons of money bailing out the same people who are making the money it a viscous circle and the Banks are in control. I may be uneducated street kid from Brooklyn but I just did not fall off the turnip truck I smelled a rat 3 years a go and I still smell the SOB

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Post by bumper » October 15, 2009, 4:22 pm

Well it seems we are the only ones that believe it will come back. I think part of that problem is how got into this mess in the first place. Short term thinking, instead of long term returns, sound familiar?

Whatever thwe baht was at 33.54 an hour ago down 23 satang in 24 hours that's a lot still don't really know for sure maybe rumors caused it.

I'll search it out but if it is what I thnik it is I won't post it anyway. Anyone can research these days don't need me for that.

Ok part of it may be what I was thinking about and I won't go there. Thias may be very short term relief.

There is another aspect listed as causation:

Thai Baht Falls to 6-Month Low Before Protest; Bonds Decline
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June 19 (Bloomberg) -- The Thai baht fell to the lowest level in six months on concern a planned anti-government protest tomorrow in Bangkok will add to political uncertainty and deter foreign investors. Bonds fell.

The baht is the third-worst performer in Asia this quarter among the 10 most-traded currencies outside of Japan as a rally in crude oil prices has pushed the trade balance into a deficit and inflation to its fastest in almost a decade.

``The baht is being hit by many factors, including the political uncertainty,'' said Yaowaluck Pipittanaban, a treasury dealer at Bank of Ayudhya Pcl in Bangkok. ``Tomorrow is D-day,'' she said, referring to the planned street protests by opposition parties.

The baht fell as much as 0.5 percent to 33.46 a dollar, the lowest level since Jan. 7, before trading at 33.43 as of 3:20 p.m. in Bangkok, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

The People's Alliance for Democracy, which led protests that preceded a 2006 coup against former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, has called for the ousting of Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej at daily demonstrations held for almost a month on a main road in Bangkok. They are planning another rally tomorrow which may garner up to 5,000 protesters.

`Inflation Theme'

Consumer prices gained 7.6 percent last month from a year earlier, the Commerce Ministry said on June 2. The rate was the highest since August 1998.

``What is clearly hurting the baht is the inflation theme and that the central bank is seen to be behind the curve,'' said Thomas Harr, a senior currency strategist at Standard Chartered Plc in Singapore. ``The trade balance has turned into a significant deficit and that is important because the baht benefited in the last two years from the huge surplus.''

Record imports in April pushed the nation's trade balance to a deficit of $1.7 billion, from a surplus of $342 million the previous month, the Bank of Thailand said on May 30. The current account, a measure of trade and investment flows, had a shortfall for the first time in 21 months.

Bonds fell for a fourth day on concern accelerating inflation will spur the central bank to raise borrowing costs, damping the appeal of government debt.

The yield on the 5 1/8 note due in March 2018 rose 20.9 basis points to 6.112 percent, according to the Thai Bond Market Association. The price fell 1.45730, or 14.57 baht per 1,000 baht face amount, to 92.81537.

To contact the reporter on this story: Patricia Lui in Singapore at [email protected].

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Post by aznyron » October 15, 2009, 4:40 pm

Bump F/R will not let the USD be replaced by any other currency plain & simple and the D. Congress will get there act together and concentrate on getting the USD back on track just remember we import more than we export and the imports are to expensive now because of the weak dollar and the people are tightening
there belts they are repairing old shoes instead of buying new ones and that applies to every thing including high price items like cars trucks ETC so who do you think congress is going to cater to small business or the big giants like Wal Mart who imports every thing from our very own American flag to furniture and electrical appliances. they can not sell them if they are priced to high that means imports must drop in price that means the USD must get stronger it simple math when the ball falls from the roof it bounce back up and that what will happen to the USD not as far as the roof but close trust me wait it out do not cash your USD in you will lose down the road trust me

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