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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by wazza » July 17, 2017, 11:48 am

And when it rains, what do the drivers do ??

Stick on their hazard lights and keep driving at the same speed.

I rate this as a 80 % driver behaviour issue and 20% for poor alert / warning, but lets see in 2 weeks, if the incident numbers are maintained, if so then shift it back to 70/30.

If the incidents are reduced, then its driver error / behaviour IMO

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by Charlieb » July 17, 2017, 12:33 pm

A pickup truck will present itself as a much larger target than a slender barrier. If the truck is not properly lighted you would probably not see it either. especially if raining at night.

I think the best thing for all of us that live here is to try and remember where these barriers are and make sure we are not in the right most lane when approaching them. Also, if in the middle lane, you must be aware of those that may swerve suddenly without warning to avoid the barrier.

The best drivers in the world can still have accidents.

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by wazza » July 17, 2017, 1:06 pm

Brilliant brain storming

Place some tree branches 30 metres from the barricades.

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by eagle » July 17, 2017, 1:13 pm

wazza wrote:
July 17, 2017, 1:06 pm
Brilliant brain storming

Place some tree branches 30 metres from the barricades.
How would that help, if rotating yellow warning light did not?

https://www.facebook.com/udontoday.news ... =3&theater

Other link, where rotating warning lights can be seen better and also how they have lights all over the barricade. In both cases rotating warning light had been hit during accidents and not in place. Still other lights over barricade are working.
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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by wazza » July 17, 2017, 1:25 pm

Eagle it was a satirical reply

Its what every broken down truck on the highways does when they have a breakdown....

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by jimjay » July 17, 2017, 2:02 pm

It's not about drivers being stupid.

It's about the responsibility of traffic engineering officials to ensure and maintain public safety.

The danger precedent has been set and everyone predicted this (thousands of Facebook comments on the matter).

I think this is very poor traffic maintenance precisely because everyone involved in creating this barrier already knows how the driving populace behaves here.

Why do they need to be concrete barriers? What if there's a baby killed? Will it help much to say the driver was irresponsible when a life has been lost? Civic responsibility if not common sense says don't blame the drivers, it says keep them safe at all costs.

1. The barrier should be replaced with sand-filled (or water-filled) plastic barriers and fronted with a water filled crash barrier. There are models in the same configuration and colour scheme as the deadly concrete ones now in place. Concrete is simply not needed here for any reason except that it's cheap (the graft has already begun!)

2. Extensive warning lighting and signage should be installed. That way there will be a few proper messes made when someone smashes up the plastic but no one will die.

3. By day a traffic cop should be in place to alert drivers as to proper moves, what's allowed and not allowed.
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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by wazza » July 17, 2017, 2:11 pm

Using barricades during Songkran , do they stop the normal U turn fatalities that occur for the other 50 weeks of the year ??

Its still driver behaviour..... IMO that contributes to this....for the majority of incidents and near misses

24000 fatalities a year , says it all , In the Worlds Top 10 countries from memory.

Yes, its a physical disaster, but why dont drivers see it and act accordingly, instead of reacting and taking out cars, bikes

Speed Kills / add on alcohol consumption at night when driver reflexes are reduced.......

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by jimjay » July 17, 2017, 2:28 pm

It depends, if our morally superior mindset gets the better of us (not saying you Wazza) then sure we can just write off the culture as stupid and hopeless and throw tons of stats in to back it up.

Then perhaps this is likely the wrong venue to discuss the practical side of it. Our cultural differences dominate the discussion etc.

But, practically speaking, for the people living and working here everyday with families, kids in school, who don't have time to deal with dodging added road dangers, the issue has become very important and will continue to do so in coming days and weeks.

It's an unnecessary public hazard and should be corrected. I think the thousands of comments on the issue on social media will be seen by authorities and responsible Thais are learning to leverage it. This is a working class town where the majority are family types. There's already been talk in the Thai threads about which agency to pressure on this and even where the office is. Interesting how social media is becoming more of a political force.

Road workers will be in danger next so they'll need to get a handle on it anyhow before the heavy equipment and proper digging get into gear. Udon is growing but it doesn't mean people have to die because of it.
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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by wazza » July 17, 2017, 2:50 pm

Jimjay

Agree with your comments, but the Thai drivers are ignoring the single lane turn right / U Turn lane and doubling up at many U turn areas. Near Makro is a classic, with up to 3 vehicles at a time competing. lots of near misses and motor cycles falling over - single lane barricade would fix the original cause.

Funny how the general population dont like being required to change their driving standards, they are the ones who cause the mess to start off with and various departments react ( agree probably knee jerk for many instances )

But at the end of the day its Thai driving behaviour or lack of it that causes the majority of these incidents.

Thais will blame the barricade for smashing their car, as they have driven this direction for 5 years and no smash.

They will never accept its THEIR behaviour that is contributing to the majority of incidents / fatalities.

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by stattointhailand » July 17, 2017, 3:07 pm

Agree 100% with making "U turns" a single lane. As someone who uses the 2nd one on NK road (before the railway) many times, I have seen as many as 7 (SEVEN) seperate lanes of cars (No chance for people in proper lane to see and even a guy wanting to do a "U" in the opposite direction had to wait for them to clear the road). Numerous occasions I've seen stationary cars in the fast and even the middle lane blocking the highway whilst they wait to turn. The BIG difference with most "U turns" is that there is a slip road which gets cordened off ......... if you miss the entrance you have to go on to the next "U turn" (or reverse), whereas with this one there is no slip lane as it was never an allowed manouvre ....they are blocking the FAST lane not a slip road with barriers

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by parrot » July 17, 2017, 4:09 pm

According to Thai news, this is a billion baht, 900ish day project, due to be complete on 1 September 2019. Last time I was in the vicinity, there were abundant warning signs advising slow speeds.
If you're a frequent traveler in that area, I'd suggest outfitting your vehicle with a dripline of xanax or some other related chill-pill. It's going to be a loooooooong 900 days.

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by Barney » July 17, 2017, 4:23 pm

wazza wrote:Eagle it was a satirical reply

Its what every broken down truck on the highways does when they have a breakdown....
I got it



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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by macca46 » July 17, 2017, 5:04 pm

My thoughts and they will not change is more properly controlled traffic light's instead of the stupid wide open U turn points even now where they have put in barriers you still get the double/treble ups, coming into the City yesterday about midday on the Nong Khai road what is happening now from the slip lane they can not wait and they can not get across to the near side lane they just pull out of the slip lane forgetting that the oncoming traffic is doing 80-100 KPH at times even more of in more instances you rear end the you will be the wrong Thia mentality in a car or motorbike is absolute ZERO.

More properly controlled intersections with traffic lights could be done in less than 900 days quoted and would cost one hell of lot less.

What are the odds on extending the 900 days by a further 365 555.

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by stattointhailand » July 17, 2017, 5:25 pm

Drove past about an hour ago, and it looked like workers (hardhats) were about to do something there with the concrete barriers (Remove them??). Perhaps the public outcry has forced a "U turn" with their thinking already BEFORE the fatalities mount up :shock:

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Re: Serious Traffic Hazard

Post by jimjay » July 18, 2017, 9:00 am

stattointhailand wrote:
July 17, 2017, 5:25 pm
Drove past about an hour ago, and it looked like workers (hardhats) were about to do something there with the concrete barriers (Remove them??). Perhaps the public outcry has forced a "U turn" with their thinking already BEFORE the fatalities mount up :shock:
Just went past, barriers still there... Anyone know if the project is going to be a bridge or tunnel? Are there plans online some place?

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