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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by BobHelm » July 15, 2017, 5:52 am

The second test is underway in Nottingham.
South Africa batted first & negotiated the new ball carefully after losing Elgar early on.
After lunch, Amla & de Kock put on a nice stand of 113 to put South Africa in the driving seat. Then, just as it looked like being a very good South African day, England struck back with 4 quick wickets to reduce the visitors from 179 for 2 to 235 for 6.
England couldn't press the advantage ant further though as Philander (54 no) & Morris (23 no) dug in to see SA through to the end.
They finished the day with a very healthy 309 for 6 wickets .

The pitch didn't do a great deal after early on but the bowlers had a pretty poor day as well.

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by Barney » July 15, 2017, 9:41 am

A good quick TV interview at the end of play with Chris Broad. In regard to the pitch and conditions he explained the game changes with the weather. Cloud cover brings wickets and clear skies is a batsmans chance to score. He did say they were most likely 1 wicket short at this venue as 7 in a day is considered a good bowling performance.
Slowness of the pitch saved a wicket on the very last ball with the edge dropping just in front of Root.
SA need at least 100+ more.


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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by BobHelm » July 15, 2017, 5:51 pm

Interestingly enough Barney the conditions this morning favoured the quickies, but Mr. Broad Jnr. couldn't exploit them as his line & length were both pretty poor.. :D
Luckily for England, Anderson from the other end. could.
He picked up the last 4 wickets fairly quickly to give himself a 5 for 72
South Africa all out for 335.

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by BobHelm » July 15, 2017, 7:19 pm

The South African bowlers also got the bit between their teeth early on.
England were 2 for 6 so early on it was unbelievable.
However, again that just meant Captain Root was in early.
Him & Ballance punished the bad stuff & defended the good. Unfortunately for SA there was too much bad.
Number 3 & 4 put on 82 in no time. Root getting to 50 off just 40 balls with, realistically, not giving a chance.
Lunch & England are 85 for 2. They might be sad to have to take the break.. Still need another 250 for a lead though & a wicket seems to attract a wicket.. :D

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South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by Barney » July 15, 2017, 10:59 pm

Very optimistic Bob.
My 20/20 hindsight tells me if Root was not in your team it would result in a short test.
You have given the boks a real good sniff. But the English weather may play a part in a non result


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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by stattointhailand » July 15, 2017, 11:16 pm

Look on the positives guys ........ errrrrr

Jimmy Anderson was 0 NOT OUT yet again \:D/

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by BobHelm » July 16, 2017, 6:32 am

Yes, lunchtime was about as good as it got for England.
Unfortunately the batting lineup is full of aggressive batsmen bought up on limited over cricket where you need to score off every ball or throw yourself on your own sword. There is no thought on waiting a bowler out until he tires, because that doesn't happen when restricted to 5 overs.

England all out 205, SA already 205 ahead with 9 wickets & 2 days until the close.
Good second game to win for Captain Root... :D

More of an issue is who to bring in as a replacement early in the order.
Jennings is proving to be yet another opener who can score runs in the county game, but can't in Internationals.
Ballance is being fitted into the side on emotion. He is either good enough to replace Bairstow or he isn't. He is certainly no number 3. However the number 3 job is being made that much harder because, since Strauss left batting, England have not managed to find a number 1 & 2 that are a Test class pair...

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by wazza » July 16, 2017, 12:22 pm

Spoke to Mr Helm , as he is flying back to Blighty soon, kindly he asked if there was anything I wanted in the UK , he could bring back for me.........

I replied " The Ashes " sadly AIS reception cut out

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by BobHelm » July 16, 2017, 12:45 pm

Well it looks like that might be the only way Australia will get their hands on them, as it looks like fielding a team might be difficult... :D

Mind you, that could be good with the current England schedule - after the SA Test series are 3 Tests against the West Indies.
They have not won a Test series since Bangladesh in 2014 & only have that country & Zimbabwe below them in the Test rankings. However the Caribbean cricket authorities have decided, in their wisdom, to give England a real chance of thrashing them by leaving Chris Gayle, Dwayne Bravo, Darren Sammy and Marlon Samuels out of the squad.
I gather this is based on the cunning thought that only players who play in the domestic competitions will be eligible for selection....meaning players who have the quality to play the game anywhere in the world are automatically excluded..
Should be a great series :shock: .... either so one-sided as to be the equivalent of watching train wrecks for fun, or behind the sofa cringing with embarrassment if the actually make a game of it.. :D

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by BobHelm » July 17, 2017, 8:47 am

South Africa 343 for 9 declared 472 runs ahead, England 0 for 0.

The SA side had a steady day with the bat, slowly accumulating but no one ever dominating the day.
The pundits all suggest that it is just a matter of time & by how many runs England will lose by.
The batting side have shown little ability to do anything but have a thrash & the wicket is always doing enough for that to be a dangerous policy..

The most interesting thing for an England supporter is how the selectors will react to the defeat. The without thought of keeping the same side for this very different pitch after Lords has proved a bit of a disaster...

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by BobHelm » July 17, 2017, 7:18 pm

England supporters with day 4 tickets won't be very happy.
Anyone with a day 5 ticket is looking at how to get a refund.

Eng 79-4 - Lunch

Cook was the only one who showed anything this morning & now he is out for 42.. The rest hardly put up any resistance.
Will it get to tea??
Will it be the most miraculous victory ever? Less than 400 for that to happen.. If only Stokes & Bairstow can both get double hundreds all should be well... :D

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by Barney » July 17, 2017, 7:26 pm

You have a negative attitude Bob, don't think they will pull this out of the fire.

Well there goes my evening, I usually get the last 20 odd overs here in Dubai.

I rest my case with my statement about if Root was no in the bating lineup, where would England be in recent history.

If there are any guys who know stats it would be a trivial interesting point to know how long most teams keep an ex-captain in their ranks. I don't think aussies keep their discards long. Question I allude to is how long will ex Capt Cook keep his position?? Maybe till after the Ashes if we have a team?

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by BobHelm » July 17, 2017, 7:46 pm

Problem is Barney that he is the only Test batsman in the side.
They can't even find a decent partner for him - let alone a replacement!!
The rest (captain Root included) all want to hit every ball to the boundary.

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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by Barney » July 17, 2017, 10:44 pm

Bob unfortunately England aren't the only team who don't have the patience for test cricket at the moment.


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Re: South Africa Tests in the UK

Post by BobHelm » July 18, 2017, 8:14 am

You are probably correct Barney. The 'money' is all in the 20/20 bash (says it all really :D ), so I guess it will carry on that way.

In the second Test though, South Africa certainly showed a great deal more application in what Test cricket is all about than England..
Because of that they won it easily, with a day to spare as England crumbled to 133 all out.
Statts will be disappointed that, this time, Anderson was out for his zero... :D

Next one up is Thursday 27th July 2017 at the Oval, at 1 each..

Be interesting to see what the selectors do... especially in regard to Jennings, Ballance & Dawson.
One of the Beeb commentators pointed out that one Graham Gooch had a torrid time when he first started in Test cricket - so bad he was dropped for 3 years after a couple of pathetic scores.
However Jennings hasn't been particularly unlucky in his dismissals, he just doesn't seem to have the defensive technique to be an opener.
Ballance is no number 3 & never will be, however England persisted with Bell well after his sell by date just because there does not seem to be an obvious candidate.
Given the batting display, having an extra spinner in Dawson is just a luxury that the side cannot afford. His figures in this Test (1 for 68 off 18 overs) suggest he is not bringing much to the party!!

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