Yet another school shooting in the US

[Stantheman]

Number 3, if the shooter is mentally ill they will not care about soft target and how many weapon carrying teachers needed to not be a soft target, 30, 40, 100?
Number 5, when someone is shooting is there time to ask Whats The Password?
Number 7, if weapon is in a secure locker, where's the locker and how long will it take to get the weapon while shooting is going on around you and students are running around trying to escape?
Lastly the NRA only cares about the money, not the students or they would take every bit of money they use to bribe the politicians and secure the schools.

[Lone Star]

Number 3, if the shooter is mentally ill they will not care about soft target and how many weapon carrying teachers needed to not be a soft target, 30, 40, 100?
Number 5, when someone is shooting is there time to ask Whats The Password?
Number 7, if weapon is in a secure locker, where's the locker and how long will it take to get the weapon while shooting is going on around you and students are running around trying to escape?
Lastly the NRA only cares about the money, not the students or they would take every bit of money they use to bribe the politicians and secure the schools.

3. Each school evaluates their own needs based on numerous factors.

5. Vests, arm bands, etc.

7. Staff assigned to perimeter and already armed. Staff assigned to internal hallways are 2nd line and weapons, vests close by. The perp should never make it past the perimeter.

[tamada]

3. Each school evaluates their own needs based on numerous factors.

5. Vests, arm bands, etc.

7. Staff assigned to perimeter and already armed. Staff assigned to internal hallways are 2nd line and weapons, vests close by. The perp should never make it past the perimeter.

...and thus Navy S.E.A.L.s Team 6 were able to finally apprehend and kill Osama Bin Laden.

[tamada]

Some problems involved in arming teachers:
1. The fear and chaos caused by a threatening situation can produce involuntary physical responses, such as a racing heart and loss of fine motor skills. A New York City Police Department study, http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/ ... uation.pdf, noted that police involved in gunfights shoot with an accuracy rate of just 18%. Even if teachers could achieve the same level of accuracy as police, one in five or six bullets would hit the shooter and the other four or five bullets would hit something or someone else.
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And here's a very recent headline from Fox News highlighting EXACTLY this point.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/sa ... video.html

"Nobody was struck by gunfire during this incident. The evidence in the case so far indicates Armstrong fired two rounds from a weapon, and that seven officers fired 65 rounds from their department-issued weapons," SFPD Commander Greg McEachern told KTVU.

Nobody was available to comment on how many soiled SFPD underpants resulted from the above scene from 'Police Academy' but the perp, who remarkably dodged all 65 rounds was arrested after turning himself in 2 hours later.

These are trained police officers and the couldn't hit a barn door while holding the handle. This was in a relatively deserted homeless persons zone at night. How would the spray-and-run approach work in the school hallways?

[tamada]

One armed staff member in a high school population of 1500 to 3000 students is folly.

1. There is a risk of involuntary physical responses in any escalated situation with even the best trained individuals.
These staff volunteers should be carefully chose for that reason.

2. Rules of engagement help eliminate mistaking an innocent person for an assailant. "Shoot, Don't Shoot" training is excellent for this.

3. Being targeted is a risk, but that comes with the volunteering. School shooters are lazy and cowards. They want soft targets. They will choose an off-campus venue to attack their targets instead.

4. Vet the staff members well to exclude those who may have inhibitions to act.

5. Rules of identification prevent armed teachers from being mistaken for assailants.

6. Vet the staff members well to prevent staff who will not perform well.

7. Secure lockers prevent theft of staff members' firearms.

8. Staff with firearms should NOT be engaged in breaking up fights.

At the last high school at which I taught (1700 students), I can think of at least 8 staff members who had military and/or law enforcement backgrounds who would be excellent volunteers.

I'm really diggin' your eight steps to heaven.

After the Dunblane school shooting and the subsequent legally enforced control of hand guns in the UK, no other school massacres have taken place. Well proud of that.

Harden the target my ass.

How long before the false security of these so-called hardened targets is shattered when a bampot with an AR shoots up a school bus instead?

Yes! We'll harden THAT target as well!

Have a safe day!

[christian_2013]

You got to love cultural Marxism! Maybe we can use identity politics to solve this problem, it's something the left can identify with, a bit of common ground.

[papafarang]

Hey just wait for the bell to ring, they got to come out. how about a special alarm ? bullet proof doors with secure locks , jesus even if a shooter came in , as soon as the alarm was raised just lock your door, no need to even hide, carry on with the lesson . or is that just too obvious just make safe classrooms . trouble is listening to all you gun nuts all you want to do is shoot the perp, no interest in child safety, just want to get your rocks off the same way the shooter is getting his enjoyment. shows the lack of critical thinking, too busy polishing your manhood and hoping someone comes so you can use it on them, funny enough the same mentality as the shooter

[Lone Star]

The usual suspects -- so eager in their stalking and kommando operations in looking for an opening, or to joke and mock -- have jumped the gun once again ... pun intended. They discredit a program that has been in existence for some time and worked successfully. There's nothing to debate regarding the effectiveness of school staff volunteering to arm themselves and school systems allowing them to do so. The discussions underway today are regarding efforts to EXPAND IT.

The School Sentinel programs have been happening for years in numerous states before the Parkland tragedy. Texas, Arkansas, Utah and South Dakota are just 4 of the many documented success stories. There are over 170 school districts in Texas alone that have implemented some form of it, and it has been instituted in Utah for 15 years.

Do your own research.

There's nothing to debate regarding whether or not it will be effective and efficient. It is ALREADY WORKING, and more states and school districts are following up.

Facts always trump the opinions of the uninformed and their jokes.

[stattointhailand]

Lone Star wrote: ↑
March 3, 2018, 6:52 am
One armed staff member in a high school population of 1500 to 3000 students is folly.

Completely agree Lone Star ...........One armed staff member in a high school OR ANY OTHER SCHOOL is ONE TOO MANY

Perhaps the american school system can be re organised ....... do away with education and arrange conscription into the army at Age 4 where they can all be taught how to shoot each other

[skinner]

LONE STAR says arming teachers is already working !!!!! Why do other countries not have all these school shootings when teachers are not armed ??

The logic of Extremists like LONE STAR is completely beyond me. And most other normal people I guess.

[christian_2013]

LONE STAR says arming teachers is already working !!!!! Why do other countries not have all these school shootings when teachers are not armed ??

The logic of Extremists like LONE STAR is completely beyond me. And most other normal people I guess.

I don't think you would understand Extremists if they hit you in the face skinner. But most people love having the wool pulled over there eyes, but one day you will wake up, but by then it's all too late. Enjoy your sleep mate!

Imagine how safe the schools would be if we didn't have these scumbags.

Below Sheriff Scott J Israel's Deputy Nezar Jason Hamze Executive Director of CAIR, a Muslim brotherhood sponsored organization.

[skinner]

LONE STAR says arming teachers is already working !!!!! Why do other countries not have all these school shootings when teachers are not armed ??

The logic of Extremists like LONE STAR is completely beyond me. And most other normal people I guess.

I don't think you would understand Extremists if they hit you in the face skinner. But most people love having the wool pulled over there eyes, but one day you will wake up, but by then it's all too late. Enjoy your sleep mate!

Imagine how safe the schools would be if we didn't have these scumbags.

Below Sheriff Scott J Israel's Deputy Nezar Jason Hamze Executive Director of CAIR, a Muslim brotherhood sponsored organization.

Of course , how silly of me , you must be correct. Muslims are the enemy .

IMHO , fruit cake Christian nutters who believe god created the earth, are EXACTLY THE SAME .. EXREMISTS.

Lone star has EXTREME VIEWS ( IMHO ) which makes him and other nutjobs EXTREMIST . IMHO.

[Lone Star]

Florida State Senate rejects ban on assault weapons, votes to arm teachers.

[stattointhailand]

And THESE are the people who are SUPPOSED to have at least a half a brain.......... beggars belief

[tamada]

Q. Why does he need to buy this?

Why this?

Note: Saying that the US Constitution says he can is not the correct answer.

[stattointhailand]

Q. Why does he need to buy this?

A. Coz there isn't anybody there with enough balls to tell him he cant

[papafarang]

Q. Why does he need to buy this?
AR 15 shopping.jpg
Note: Saying that the US Constitution says he can is not the correct answer.

what you don't know.. he needs it for hunting squirrels , because squirrels are a menace and do home invasions . Chicago has too many Bears, and Minnesota has too many tigers. because American hunters have no balls and due to a lack of gun skills need to fire off 50 rounds.
lets be honest, anyone that thinks he might need a gun has issues. most of the world don't have guns. gun owners are a . minority. like child porn .. most don't have that either. it's a freakish archaic relic that only appeals to people that want to dominate others. weird personality disorders. but hey everyone has the right ... but only in america .

[stattointhailand]

"but hey everyone has the right ... but only in america ."

You can have all the rights you want PPF, but only UNTIL they dont agree with what America wants, then you give up all your rights and beliefs ...... OR ELSE

[skinner]

Q. Why does he need to buy this?
AR 15 shopping.jpg
Note: Saying that the US Constitution says he can is not the correct answer.

Because the muslims are coming , because the Russians are coming , because the north Koreans are coming, or maybe he feels like a real macho man ( look at somebodys avatar).

OR maybe hes a school teacher ?

[Lone Star]

Another touring vaca with some fellow riders -- about 167 of them. 555

Anyway, I'll post some day-by-day observations regarding the ongoing gun issue, even though the Gaggle Kommandos seem to be more focused on me. 555

Extremist, by definition, is a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action. In America, I would be considered dead-center American due to my support of the three main tenets of the Founders and Framers: Defend the Constitution. Promote Free Enterprise. Nurture Individual Liberty. Nothing extreme or fanatical about any of those stances.

It's a badge of honor to be characterized as an "extremist" by interlopers who are arrogant and elitist enough to suggest that they know what's best for a society where they don't live, where they have proven that they have little or no understanding of the rule of law there, and do not even have a legitimate say in anything that goes on there.

These interlopers and elitists are always entitled to their uninformed opinions rooted in ignorance and hate; and of course, the name calling can continue as well. So childish.

However, there must be some severely warped reasoning skills that fall horribly short when one considers that those who want to defend innocent life, follow the rule of law and promote individual liberty are the ones labeled as "extremist".

By their warped evaluation, the ones who attack people for their spiritual faith (THEM), reject the rule of law (THEM) and seek to deprive law-abiding citizens of their rights due to the actions of a psycho (THEM), consider themselves to be the normal and moral people in this world.

As a wrongly-labeled extremist who respects the rule of law, respects and follows all of the US Constitution and promotes Individual Liberty, I am grateful for the free society that exists within the borders of the United States. Those characteristics and values must have quite a lot to do with why so many foreigners break the law to enter the US and wish to remain there.

Rage on, Kommandos. Keep running around with your hair engulfed in flame over American Society -- and me -- and my avatar. You've already succeeded in exposing your ignorance on the topic. You've been extremely successful in adding childishness and immaturity to it. Sad lot that Gaggle.

All of your countries have enough problems of their own (many self-inflicted) -- and yet, I never see anyone criticize you for the disasters that you've allowed your home countries to become. No one is calling any of you names or attacking your spirituality or lack of it. Probably because no one cares, and that includes your fellow countrymen.

Personal attacks are all you've got. Immature.