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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Lone Star » March 8, 2018, 1:44 pm

I've never known anyone to be so intimidated by the Harley Hawg -- not even children. First time for everything.

Someone must have pipe cleaners hanging out of their shirt sleeves to be so intimidated and focused on the Hawg avatar. 555 To keep targeting an avatar and a forum member instead of addressing the topic is pretty childish, but that's what the Gaggle Kommandos do.

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Post by Lone Star » March 8, 2018, 1:46 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z58sBejmF0

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Since the Gaggle Kommandos keeps insisting on making it personal, I'll share my most recent personal contribution to the NRA.

Today, I not only renewed my NRA membership, but stepped up and became a lifetime member. I will also donate 3 annual memberships EVERY YEAR HEREAFTER in the name of family members and/or friends to help Harden the Target!
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Lone Star » March 8, 2018, 1:47 pm

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27854/re ... es-barrett

The sheriff who blew the Parkland Attack wants gun control, but now wants gun-toting bodyguards for himself. :)
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Lone Star » March 8, 2018, 1:49 pm

Interesting stats being reported at Kansas University, where they have concealed carry on campus.

http://m.ljworld.com/news/2018/mar/02/k ... -no-weapo/

Crime down 13%. No gun incidents.
The number of crimes reported on the University of Kansas campus went down notably from 2016 to 2017, university police announced. Overall, crime decreased 13 percent, with 671 criminal offenses reported to KU police in 2017 compared to 770 incidents in 2016, according to a news release from the KU Office of Public Safety.

Notably, with lawful concealed carry of handguns being allowed on campus for the first time beginning July 1, 2017, KU police tallied zero criminal weapons violations.

Prior to 2017, campus police have recorded a total of 14 weapons violations since 2008, according to the statistics.
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Bonanza » March 8, 2018, 10:39 pm

Tamada says,"Q. Why does he need to buy this?[

Well, he probably doesn't NEED it, but he probably likes it. :D So, please tell me why he SHOULDN'T buy it? :shock:

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Post by papafarang » March 8, 2018, 11:06 pm

Prior to 2017, campus police have recorded a total of 14 weapons violations since 2008, according to the statistics

" KU Public Safety attributes the drop in crime to steps the university took to improve campus security after the legalization of concealed carry. Three additional police officers and three security officers were hired.
The crime report does not include an incident in which a loaded .38 revolver found unattended in the bathroom of Wescoe Hall last September. That was a university gun policy violation but not criminal, said Capt. James Anguiano, spokesman for KU Public Safety.
It also does not include sexual assault reports made only to university administration and not investigated by campus police.
Kansas State University, where concealed guns are also allowed, does not keep similar crime stats, officials there said."
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/article2 ... rylink=cpy

editing reports to suit a point , no violations ..but there was. and it seems a drop in crime might be attributed to having more police and security.. plus making carrying a gun NOT a violation
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Lone Star » March 8, 2018, 11:26 pm

Bonanza wrote:
March 8, 2018, 10:39 pm
Tamada says,"Q. Why does he need to buy this?[

Well, he probably doesn't NEED it, but he probably likes it. :D So, please tell me why he SHOULDN'T buy it? :shock:
Correct.

'Need' and 'why' has nothing to do with a citizen's choice to exercise their right. It is true in all cases. Individual rights are conditional only in the citizen's choice to exercise them.
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by vlad » March 9, 2018, 12:27 am

But why do you need a gun ??

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by tamada » March 9, 2018, 10:30 am

Bonanza wrote:
March 8, 2018, 10:39 pm
Tamada says,"Q. Why does he need to buy this?[

Well, he probably doesn't NEED it, but he probably likes it. :D So, please tell me why he SHOULDN'T buy it? :shock:
And I like Cadbury's chocolate and BK's 'Double Angus' offerings... loads of them. I also like to drive really, really fast.

But I know loads of chocolate, fast-food and speeding isn't healthy, so I don't.

But then again, maybe AR-15's are not considered a health risk.

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by tamada » March 9, 2018, 10:36 am

Lone Star wrote:
March 8, 2018, 11:26 pm
Bonanza wrote:
March 8, 2018, 10:39 pm
Tamada says,"Q. Why does he need to buy this?[

Well, he probably doesn't NEED it, but he probably likes it. :D So, please tell me why he SHOULDN'T buy it? :shock:
Correct.

'Need' and 'why' has nothing to do with a citizen's choice to exercise their right. It is true in all cases. Individual rights are conditional only in the citizen's choice to exercise them.
You never did answer why you needed a gun when I asked earlier.

No biggie, you are solidly in the 'because I can' camp and not 'because I need one' camp... like the majority of card-carrying NLA members... especially the lifers.

Just thinking what an oxymoron that is, a 'life member' of a machine gun club.

How about, "Individual rights are conditional only in the citizen's choice NOT to exercise them."?

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Bonanza » March 9, 2018, 11:16 am

Tamada,

I have admitted that I don't 'NEED a gun, but you still haven't told me why I SHOULDN'T have one if I want.

I hope that you are not implying that because someone likes guns he is likely to want to shoot someone?

If NEED becomes a criteria for possession of something then it would be a poor world, and not everyone's definition of NEED is the same. (eg. he Taliban don't see the NEED for women to go to school, so they ban it).

I don't see the NEED for anyone to have a horse - but I don't try to ban horses.

On average 300 people in the UK die each year in water sport accidents - should we ban swimming/canoeing/sailing because people don't NEED to engage in those activities?

There are always plenty of people ready to ban what they don't understand, and plenty ready to define what other people NEED.
Strangely, most of those people I have met who wish to ban guns are also against the death penalty! :D

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by vlad » March 9, 2018, 2:47 pm

You will find a lot of People in the UK want the Death Penalty re-instated for child murders, police killers. and random acts of Murder. I am a firm believer in the Death Penalty and would willingly be the one releasing the trap door and sending a child killer to hell. I get the handgun excuse for protection but it was your Countermen that has forced you to live this way. So why do you have to purchase Weapons that should only be allowed for Military use. Its a simple question requiring a simple Answer.

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Doodoo » March 9, 2018, 2:52 pm

SIMPLE ANSWER to SIMPLE QUESTION:
When do Americans purchase Weapons that should be only allowed for Military use?

SIMPLE ANSWER Because they like them

Nothing complicated just simple answer for a simple man/woman

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by stattointhailand » March 9, 2018, 3:10 pm

That was simple

This really is like trying to convince the South Africans that Apartheid was wrong ...... The world knows it's wrong. they know themselves it's wrong but some sheer bloody minded stupidity stops them from admitting it [-X

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by felixcat » March 9, 2018, 4:02 pm

I want to join the Military at 18 years old, and be Trained to use an AR-15. I want to be a Cop, so I can carry an AR-15, and take away AR-15's from legal gun owners.
Just made a new joke, goes like this "A man came to my house and asked me "Why do you got so many scary looking knives around your house"? Told him "Because I am against guns".
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by tamada » March 9, 2018, 4:05 pm

Bonanza wrote:
March 9, 2018, 11:16 am
Tamada,

I have admitted that I don't 'NEED a gun, but you still haven't told me why I SHOULDN'T have one if I want.

Hey Bonanza,

I still can't get my head around people wanting something that they don't really need. Maybe that's why most double-car garages attached to most family homes in the US are full and the cars stay out on the driveway, because the garage is full of stuff that they bought but didn't really need?

Anyway, if you want one, you can have one and I am not about taking that away. It's those that have them just because the ink stains that have dried upon some line says they can... but they don't hunt, don't shoot varmints and don't live in the 'hood....or near a school.
I hope that you are not implying that because someone likes guns he is likely to want to shoot someone?
Actually, that thought had never, ever crossed my mind. It is funny that you brought it up though. But I can see your reasoning there; I mean if you have one, and a situation develops, why not use it? It would be silly to fork out 500 bucks on a Glock and get a concealed carry and then be too sh!t scared to use it when things went pear-shaped. Might as well leave it in the garage with the other junk.
If NEED becomes a criteria for possession of something then it would be a poor world, and not everyone's definition of NEED is the same. (eg. he Taliban don't see the NEED for women to go to school, so they ban it).
The point of reference always has to be something extreme and far away and EASY like the Taliban... despite there not being much evidence of them massing on the US mainland yet. Why don't we try for some parallels (a lot) nearer home like Canada and Mexico? I mean what do they ban that Americans don't? Not a trick question; just a case of know your neighbors, no?
I don't see the NEED for anyone to have a horse - but I don't try to ban horses.
That's a variation on the old NLA chestnut that cars kill people, ban cars 'argument'. 3 out of 10, must try harder.
On average 300 people in the UK die each year in water sport accidents - should we ban swimming/canoeing/sailing because people don't NEED to engage in those activities?
Steady on there, you are denigrating the nation that has the single greatest navy and marine history EVER. Just because some have accidents or can't swim well is no need to be serving it up as (yet another) deflection.

Yes, your navy is bigger and better than any in the known universe right now but I am talking about HISTORY and one-time global hegemony. Right now, you chaps are still in high school... and that's a very dangerous place to be!
There are always plenty of people ready to ban what they don't understand, and plenty ready to define what other people NEED.
But it's not about banning all responsible gun ownership is it? It's about making sure that mil-spec weaponry isn't available to anyone who aint in the armed forces, national guard, police or militia, be they reasonable sorts like yourself and Lonely Star or raving loonies like the kids with knives in London running around stabbing hundreds of innocent people every day. Beat you to that one!
Strangely, most of those people I have met who wish to ban guns are also against the death penalty! :D
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"Ninety-five percent of all known executions were carried out in only six countries: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the United States, Pakistan and Iraq."

Interesting fellow club members there, eh?

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Post by Lone Star » March 9, 2018, 8:40 pm

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Apartheid deprived citizens of rights based on race and used government to preserve those injustices. Apartheid was government tyranny, and it is exactly that kind of government oppression that the 2nd Amendment was designed to thwart. The 2nd Amendment is a safeguard against the tyranny imposed by a tyrannical government upon its citizens -- tyranny in the form of programs and policies exactly like Apartheid.

These so-called normal and moral people view correctly that Apartheid was wrong, and I agree with them. That policy of racist and systemic discrimination preserved by law by the government and used to persecute citizens and deny them their human and civil rights is why Americans wish to preserve the 2nd Amendment. Yet, these normal and moral people would seek to disarm the law-abiding American citizen and subject them to the threat of similar government tyranny or worse.

One so-called normal and moral person recently criticized the Florida Senate for voting to allow school districts to arm teachers. So the government that he trusts enough to treat people well after being disarmed, is the same government that he criticized for doing what he thought was a wrong-headed move by allowing school systems the freedom to do what's best for their communities and schools.

Another normal and moral person claims that the US is one of six countries carrying out 95% of the world's executions, and he wants to disarm the lawful American Citizen. If so many executions are being carried out, then either the lawless criminals are a threat to lawful citizens, or the government that executed them is the threat. In both cases, the 2nd Amendment protects law-abiding citizens if they so choose to exercise their right to bear arms.

The normal and moral folks can't have it both ways. Can't praise the end of Apartheid and want to weaken a society against government tyranny. Trust government to protect its citizens and then criticize them for taking an action that is thought to be incorrect. Can't call for the disarming of law-abiding Americans at the same time that stats show large numbers of executions of violent criminals by the government.

I choose not to follow these self-proclaimed normal and moral people. The facts that they use to make their arguments against gun ownership, actually point out how little government can be trusted, which is the whole point of the 2nd Amendment. These normal and moral folks will get us all killed.
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Post by panick » March 9, 2018, 8:57 pm

24 pages of **** as far as I'm concerned!

I know it's an open forum topic but, there must be more related topics to talk about than another shooting in America?

If it means so much to you all ....... Go back there and sort it out :razz:
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Post by stattointhailand » March 9, 2018, 9:30 pm

Jeeeze you must be pretty damn bored if your still clicking on it after 24 pages and your not even interested .........

Don't worry there will be another Sausages for Sunday Lunch thread coming to a screen near you soon :lol:

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Post by panick » March 9, 2018, 11:07 pm

stattointhailand wrote:
March 9, 2018, 9:30 pm
Jeeeze you must be pretty damn bored if your still clicking on it after 24 pages and your not even interested .........

Don't worry there will be another Sausages for Sunday Lunch thread coming to a screen near you soon :lol:
Getting bored of it being the first post every day! I read it on the news when it happened .....
Why does everyone have to have a masturbate about it? :lol: :lol:

Sausages and Sunday lunch in Udon? :D
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