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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Hoopoe » July 10, 2018, 6:49 am

All this so called negotiations , and what if's ,put around by people with different agenda's / thoughts ,for me the vote has been counted , the ditherers can't .Arn't able to negotiate, HARD BREXIT IT IS THEN

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by JimboPSM » July 10, 2018, 6:56 am

David Davis and Boris Johnson resigning was just another day in the sheer dumb stupidity, farce and economic suicide that is Brexit.

If Johnson wasn’t such an unprincipled and morally bankrupt coward, he would have resigned at the Chequers meeting on Friday; instead he only resigned today some hours after David Davis had resigned.

Sadly, it is unlikely that it will be good riddance once and for all to the opportunistic, lying, self-serving and hypocritical buffoon.

Like so many in the integrity free zone of the current Conservative “leadership”, in his lust to be Prime Minister he puts his own ambitions before party, party before country and power before principles.


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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by vincemunday » July 10, 2018, 9:01 am

Couldn't agree more, Boris is a buffoon who should have resigned on Friday, his judgement was as bad as always. However, this might all be academic, enter stage right Mr Farage who's returning to front line UK politics. There is now a strong chance that the once almost defunct UKIP party will re emerge, there is very strong feeling against the Tories who ran on a manifesto and subsequently reneged, Mrs May has caused party members to rip up their membership cards in droves. Mrs May will of course ignore this threat, she's way too far up her own bum to think Farage could challenge the Tory party. Of course he doesn't need to, UKIP will once again seriously dilute the Tory vote, maybe to the point where Corbyn could become leader, the #brexit mp's will be given a choice, force May to backtrack on her current plans and pursue a hard Brexit which is after all what was voted for in the referendum or lose the next election.
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Drunk Monkey » July 10, 2018, 9:38 am

vincemunday wrote:
July 10, 2018, 9:01 am
Couldn't agree more, Boris is a buffoon who should have resigned on Friday, his judgement was as bad as always. However, this might all be academic, enter stage right Mr Farage who's returning to front line UK politics. There is now a strong chance that the once almost defunct UKIP party will re emerge, there is very strong feeling against the Tories who ran on a manifesto and subsequently reneged, Mrs May has caused party members to rip up their membership cards in droves. Mrs May will of course ignore this threat, she's way too far up her own bum to think Farage could challenge the Tory party. Of course he doesn't need to, UKIP will once again seriously dilute the Tory vote, maybe to the point where Corbyn could become leader, the #brexit mp's will be given a choice, force May to backtrack on her current plans and pursue a hard Brexit which is after all what was voted for in the referendum or lose the next election.
Now that is good news if confirmed .

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by vincemunday » July 10, 2018, 11:16 am

Here you go Jon, there's very close ties between him and the Express, I haven't spoken to him personally yet but last time I did he said it wouldn't happen, looks like he's changed his mind.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/98626 ... is-Johnson
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Drunk Monkey » July 10, 2018, 11:43 am

vincemunday wrote:
July 10, 2018, 11:16 am
Here you go Jon, there's very close ties between him and the Express, I haven't spoken to him personally yet but last time I did he said it wouldn't happen, looks like he's changed his mind.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/98626 ... is-Johnson
Sounds pretty positive and just what UK politics needs .. Mr Farage getting back into the mix will certainly shake things up and more chance of the first planned and hard Brexit coming to fruition . Mays days are numbered for sure , but then theres Jeremy and all his wacky plans to take on.... pleased im based here with this political shambles unfolding.

Thanks for the info n link Vince , i know you have pretty close ties with Nigel Farage so thought the info was good , please keep us informed.

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Pro V1 » July 10, 2018, 12:07 pm

I voted 'Leave', but having done so, wish there was now the opportunity for a second vote. Why? Am I suffering from 'Bregret' - that deep anxiety that some had after waking up the morning after the Referendum to find out that we are heading out of the EU? Most certainly not.

When I speak to people the feedback I get is that (almost) nobody is happy with the likely outcome of some sort of fudged soft Brexit deal. Remainers don't want it as it keeps us outside full membership of the the EU. Leavers don't want it as it will (likely) mean that the EU still has a huge influence on our laws and our policy-making. My question is a simple one - if (almost) nobody wants what's on offer, why are we embarking on this policy.

Of course there is a debate to be had about how we ended up here. Conservatives split on the subject and Labour desperately trying to say nothing hoping their enemy will destroy themselves over this, thus delivering Mr Corbyn to number 10. Yes our politicians have let us down, but we are where we are. Virtually no-one seems to want what's on offer - nobody believed this is what we voted 'Leave' for. In these circumstances the people deserve a second vote.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by vincemunday » July 10, 2018, 12:13 pm

See your point Scottie, when Farage said pretty much the same thing a while back he came under ferocious attack by anyone and everyone. Personally I don't think we need a second vote, we need the politicians to give us what we voted for the first time, after all, even if we did have a second vote who's to say they'd take any more notice of it than they did the last one?
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Chuchi » July 10, 2018, 1:29 pm

Sorry Scottie , disagree about a second vote,Theresa May’s heart was never in leaving which has played into the hands of Brussels.2 yrs have been wasted which is exactly what the eu wanted with the clock ticking and no further forwards.I wouldn’t be surprised when she penned that letter Blair,Barnier Cameron were probably in the room.If JRM had been in charge in that period he would have offered WTO rules and that would have given business time to prepare,the reason I voted to leave is because I believe that a nation state has the right to make their own laws otherwise what’s the point of having a parliament. I’m sure Junker et al are smirking at the moment but if this does get overturned I like many others would never take part in mainstream politics ever again and what should be more worrying many will turn to fringe parties which creates an EU superstate which is ungovernable (if it isn’t already)
Ps if the vote had gone the others way would I have been upset. Absolutely
Would I have called for a second vote. ? Absolutely not as I believe in the Democratic vote
Also Vince is right ,don’t matter how many times you vote ,these faceless bureaucrats will only accept one outcome

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by vincemunday » July 10, 2018, 5:40 pm

In the latest YouGov poll UKIP are up 3% overnight at the expense of the Cons, welcome to the rise of UKIP mk2, if Farage takes the leadership it will rise significantly, people are angry at the betrayal by Mrs May.
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Pro V1 » July 10, 2018, 8:21 pm

GT93 wrote:
June 15, 2018, 2:43 pm
I'm obviously far removed from all this but I thought it was a clear choice between remain and the hardest of Brexits. I thought it was really really obvious the EU would be extremely difficult deal with and there would be no halfway house. The people chose Brexit in that context.

100% correct. Everybody I know had strong views on the matter, it was an excellent example of how to genuinely engage 'the people' in democracy. People felt passionately, some wanted to be out and others were desperate to remain in the EU. I never heard anybody (including the politicians) offering us some sort of fudged halfway house - that wasn't on the ballot paper - nobody voted for it.

Some good contributions on this thread and I fully understand why some people wouldn't want a second vote. However, to quote Harold McMillan, 'events, dear boy, events'. We are where we are - nobody now is going to offer a clean-cut 'out of Europe' option. In those circumstances, would you rather have the fudged, diluted, half-way house 'out' option. Or would you want the status quo? I was perfectly willing to abide by whatever choice the people made....however nobody, for a moment thought that an 'x' on the ballot paper would lead to the current cobbled together compromise.

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Pro V1 » July 10, 2018, 8:30 pm

vincemunday wrote:
July 10, 2018, 5:40 pm
In the latest YouGov poll UKIP are up 3% overnight at the expense of the Cons, welcome to the rise of UKIP mk2, if Farage takes the leadership it will rise significantly, people are angry at the betrayal by Mrs May.
You are absolutely correct Vince. However, the happiest man in the land is JC, he just sits back and watches while the Government implodes. Then his election strap-line will be - 'time for change'....and that will seem an attractive option to many; (not to me though I might add).

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by vincemunday » July 11, 2018, 6:16 am

The wait begins...

Very soon YouGov and others will start showing the results of polls which will undoubtedly show a huge decline in the vote for the Tories and a huge surge in the vote for UKIP, unlike Scottie I can’t see anyone that currently supports the Conservatives voting for JC while there is a viable right leaning second option, UKIP will be the main recipient of those votes.

Farage is making more and more noises about coming back into mainstream U.K. politics, bearing in mind the damage he did before by splitting the Tory vote, this will be of huge concern to many sitting mp’s but particularly those who are sitting in marginal seats.

There is a steady trickle of resignations from Brexiteers, at this moment in time there has only been two front bench but that’s almost definitely going to grow.

IMO these three things combined will be the death knell of Theresa May, I don’t see how she can stay much longer.
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Pro V1 » July 11, 2018, 3:19 pm

vincemunday wrote:
July 11, 2018, 6:16 am
The wait begins...

Very soon YouGov and others will start showing the results of polls which will undoubtedly show a huge decline in the vote for the Tories and a huge surge in the vote for UKIP, unlike Scottie I can’t see anyone that currently supports the Conservatives voting for JC while there is a viable right leaning second option, UKIP will be the main recipient of those votes.

Farage is making more and more noises about coming back into mainstream U.K. politics, bearing in mind the damage he did before by splitting the Tory vote, this will be of huge concern to many sitting mp’s but particularly those who are sitting in marginal seats.

There is a steady trickle of resignations from Brexiteers, at this moment in time there has only been two front bench but that’s almost definitely going to grow.

IMO these three things combined will be the death knell of Theresa May, I don’t see how she can stay much longer.
While you are absolutely correct that very few Conservative voters will vote Labour (particularly with Mr Corbyn at the helm), that really isn't much of an argument. Given how close the last election is, all it takes is a small swing from Conservative to UKIP or Liberal, or indeed Tory supporters just deciding to vote for nobody, to deliver Labour into power. If I were a campaign strategist for Labour, I would be advising them to say as little as possible about Brexit (indeed about anything) - just let the Conservatives tear themselves apart over Europe.

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by vincemunday » July 15, 2018, 7:46 am

Not great news for the Tories, Theresa May has told her MP’s to back her plan or she will pull the plug on Brexit completely, this isn’t sitting well with voters who are already leaving her party in droves.

The latest YouGov poll shows UKIP rising to 8%, a phenominal rise in just under a week, the fightback is happening and Farage hasn’t even retaken the leadership...yet...

The Tories are now showing 4 points behind Labour, Theresa May’s toxicity must be worrying a lot of MP’s, particularly those who sit in marginal seats, based on the current numbers they stand a high chance of losing them to Labour.

Theresa May’s belligerence will only result in UKIP gaining more of the vote, it’s impossible to see how she can survive unless she capitulates to the will of the people, stands by the result of the referendum and her manifesto but I think she’s far to arrogant to do that so my guess is it’s bye bye Mrs May who will go down in history as one of the worst Home Secretary’s and PM’s of all time, there will be a lot of talk on the back benches tomorrow.
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