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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by GT93 » December 6, 2018, 4:00 pm

In NZ there's chat that banks are becoming wary of making long term loans to purchasers wanting to buy homes in suburbs vulnerable to sea level rises. If I owned a house in one of these suburbs I'd sell it quickly before the market values take too much of hit.

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Post by Lone Star » December 15, 2018, 1:49 pm

Well, it must not be profitable and efficient after all -- yet -- or in the near future.

In a recent auction of US offshore areas for wind energy, only 4 of 11 companies bidding bothered to walk away with a little less than 400,000 acres. It is the business of these companies to know, and they're not going to throw away money (like governments do with taxpayer money) to experiment with the funds provided by their stockholders.

If this was a profitable and efficient endeavor, there would have been more than 4 taking the business risk.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » December 15, 2018, 6:00 pm

MMCC Believers are retreating.

Several news sources are reporting that the world is tiring of all the taxes, the regulations, the unexplainable projects, and the hair-on-fire predictions of doom that never materialize.

Economics is k*ing again.

Even very liberal source Politico is demoralized.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/ ... 4-36424229
This month’s fuel-tax riots in Paris and the defeat of a carbon-fee ballot measure in Washington state show the difficulty of getting people to support a levy on the energy sources that heat their homes and power their cars. Meanwhile, even the most liberal Democratic candidates this year gave carbon taxes scant if any mention in their climate platforms, focusing instead on proposals like a phaseout of fossil fuels and massive investments in wind and solar power.
Why have Dems been mum? They can't explain it in specific terms to regular folks, and the Dems don't understand it themselves.

John Constable, in a report from the Global Warming Policy Foundation, shows that efforts at renewable energy have been failing and are now in decline. Efforts in many countries to FORCE a transition from fossil fuels to renewables have mostly resulted in wasted money and the death of flying foul. And it's been mostly taxpayer money, through government grants, that has been wasted.

https://www.thegwpf.com/renewables-and- ... 4-36432433
For almost as long as there has been a climate policy, emissions reduction has been seen as dependent on the replacement of fossil fuels with renewable energy sources. Policies supporting this outcome are ubiquitous in the developed and developing world; markets have been coerced globally, with varying degrees of severity it is true, but with extraordinary force in the OECD states, and particularly in the European Union. The net result of several decades of such measures has been negligible.
The UN and the IPCC has been caught manipulating data too many times to even consider them seriously.
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Post by Lone Star » January 4, 2019, 5:45 am

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The hypocrisy continues.
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Post by glalt » January 4, 2019, 9:15 am

Apparently not all countries are concerned about climate change. Brazil's new president is in the process of destroying even more of the rain forest. Indonesia has pledged to stop their slash and burn farming techniques. I have no idea if they have stopped or not. It's a crazy world we live in.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » January 18, 2019, 10:19 am

Udon Map wrote:
January 18, 2019, 10:16 am
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January 18, 2019, 8:37 am
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The Global Warming Policy Foundation is dedicated to proving that global warming is not occurring. While it has crafted a great name with an unbiased air to it, it is anything but unbiased.
And Believers staff organizations that are dedicated to proving that global warming is occurring. So?

The data is either correct, or it isn't. I'm sure that if it is inaccurate, someone from the "hockey stick crowd" will write a paper refuting it.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Udon Map » January 18, 2019, 10:32 am

Lone Star wrote:
January 18, 2019, 10:19 am
Udon Map wrote:
January 18, 2019, 10:16 am
Lone Star wrote:
January 18, 2019, 8:37 am
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The Global Warming Policy Foundation is dedicated to proving that global warming is not occurring. While it has crafted a great name with an unbiased air to it, it is anything but unbiased.
And Believers staff organizations that are dedicated to proving that global warming is occurring. So?

The data is either correct, or it isn't. I'm sure that if it is inaccurate, someone from the "hockey stick crowd" will write a paper refuting it.
OK, let me add some detail. You will likely discount it (as you do with anything that does not agree with your opinions), but others may be interested.

It's an anti-global warming lobbying group.

It was originally set up as a charitable foundation; however, in 2014 the Charity Commission for England and Wales, a department of the U.K. government which reports directly to Parliament rather than any particular Minister or government department, ruled that the GWPF had breached rules on impartiality in its climate change coverage, blurred fact and comment, and demonstrated a clear bias. So to circumvent those rules, it set up another organization, the Global Warming Policy Forum, which was not registered as a charity. Talk about fraud and deception!

The Global Warming Policy Foundation has repeatedly rejected requests to disclose its sources of funding. As one manager at the London School of Economics put it,
These documents expose once again the double standards promoted by ... the GWPF, who demand absolute transparency from everybody except themselves ... The GWPF was the most strident critic during the 'Climategate' row of the standards of transparency practised by the University of East Anglia, yet it simply refuses to disclose basic information about its own secretive operations, including the identity of its funders.
If they're credible in your view, great. Others may not see it the same way.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » January 18, 2019, 10:41 am

I understand completely. Fully. All of that is wonderful information and something to consider.

But it's about the data. Additionally, the repeated revelations of manipulated data by Believers and their organizations is cause enough to consider everything when looking at MMCC.

If you automatically discount the data without reading the report or offering some refutation with sources regarding the data, there's no point in posting a link. Just do a thumbs up or thumbs down based on what someone thinks about the source alone. I get it. I guess I can do the same for all the sources that I may not agree with all the time. It's a ridiculous premise.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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Lone Star wrote:
January 18, 2019, 10:41 am
But it's about the data. Additionally, the repeated revelations of manipulated data by Believers and their organizations is cause enough to consider everything when looking at MMCC.
It's the same. The data scandal a few years ago by those who support the idea that global warming isn't any better or worse than what these guys are doing.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » January 18, 2019, 11:22 am

As always, you're entitled to your opinion.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Udon Map » January 18, 2019, 11:39 am

Lone Star wrote:
January 18, 2019, 11:22 am
As always, you're entitled to your opinion.
You wouldn't agree that an organization which demands transparency from others but maintains complete secrecy regarding itself is hypocritical?

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » January 18, 2019, 2:31 pm

Udon Map wrote:
January 18, 2019, 11:39 am
Lone Star wrote:
January 18, 2019, 11:22 am
As always, you're entitled to your opinion.
You wouldn't agree that an organization which demands transparency from others but maintains complete secrecy regarding itself is hypocritical?
So now it's a discussion about recognizing hypocrisy?

I'm pretty good at it when I know all the facts. I don't know the origin of the information on that organization.

But it's still about the data.

There are some people and organizations out there who are right even some of the time. Even CNN falls into that category. I don't discount everything that they spout just because it's CNN. I dig deeper. It's still about the data even with them.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Udon Map » January 18, 2019, 4:13 pm

Lone Star wrote:
January 18, 2019, 2:31 pm
Udon Map wrote:
January 18, 2019, 11:39 am
Lone Star wrote:
January 18, 2019, 11:22 am
As always, you're entitled to your opinion.
You wouldn't agree that an organization which demands transparency from others but maintains complete secrecy regarding itself is hypocritical?
So now it's a discussion about recognizing hypocrisy?
Yes.
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January 18, 2019, 2:31 pm
But it's still about the data.
No it's not, not on this point. The organization demands complete transparency from organizations which espouse a different opinion. If it doesn't provide the same level of transparency and insists on keeping its own information secret, that's hypocrisy.

The data relates to the substantive issue of climate change, a completely different issue.

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