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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by dunroaming » February 10, 2019, 6:08 pm

runrunshaw wrote:
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My wife wanted to have a roofed place to park the tractor. I agreed. I was at my condo in Jomtien. When I got back home, I found that I now have 100 square meters under roof. I told her that I wan't going to pay for that huge project. I paid 9,000 baht and she paid the rest.

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looks like u will need another one for the tractor but agreed iron looks good and properly spaced. Wish I could build same for 9000
The 9K was his, contribution, wife paid the rest, I think.
#1.. wish my wife had that kind of money.
#2. That car/tractor/bags of rice park had to cost 35K minimum, don't you think?


Yes me too agreed my one was 80K without the cement base that's getting done this week 12 cube of cement etc

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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by runrunshaw » February 10, 2019, 8:25 pm

Okay, so after firing Jit, his brother, and the other derelict, my TW's uncles and their crew took over. These were mature, experienced men in their 40s and 50s who didn't drink on the job. Sometimes we had a few beers on site at the end of the day. Usually it was between four and seven guys. It was different every time I went to the site. Uncle Mak was running the show, and he was fairly meticulous--at least when he was around, that is.

I made a deal for 12K baht for them to move the cement posts into alignment, hang the roof, and pour the foundation. They got right to it, and actually had things such as real scaffolding, real ladders, and professional tools.
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I had been buying all of the materials since Day One, but now I felt more secure that these guys weren't out to rip me off.
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Things were rolling along. Mak predicted the house would be finished by the end of the year. I doubted that, but it sounded good to my wife.
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I also decided to keep it a 12-pole structure with a 1 M roof overhang creating 140 SQM of roof. But I wasn't going to keep 96M as interior. Since my plan had been to build a 60 SQM house, but I'd been given a 96 SQM layout, I decided to keep 64 SQM as interior, and the other 32 SQM would constitute a Thai kitchen and a patio.

That meant the sliding glass front door would have to be placed on the north side of the house, leading onto what would now be a covered patio. It was a radical change from the photos of the house I had committed to build, but I knew I'd have to tighten up spending however I could. What is it the US Marines say? Adjust, adapt, overcome.

I now took the project as a challenge; could I build a decent house at a price? I didn't know, but decided to spend more time on site and pay a lot closer attention to developments.
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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by Barney » February 10, 2019, 8:39 pm

Excellent story so far, from your original thoughts of no family and overtime your change of heart. Many of us have or will go through this exact same thing.
Having the ability to continually change one’s mind is the key here in Thailand with many things.
Shown by your negotiating a wY out and changing the construction team, plus modifying the plans etc.
You have an original budget so that is a good yardstick to aim for, don’t stress if you wander past that figure. Just spend what you need to keep peace especially in you and the wife’s mind.
Good work so far and will be interesting to see the finished product and all the smiling faces.


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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by dunroaming » February 10, 2019, 8:54 pm

These are the stories that are good to share and I for one enjoy reading them. The longer you live here the more horror stories you get to share but sometimes the opposite. I think any of us that have built something have these stories The police are still looking for our first builder!! and we have some useful contacts too

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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by runrunshaw » February 11, 2019, 10:31 am

Thanks to all of you for your comments. I have to go back to China for awhile and won't take my laptop there, so I'll try to get further along in the story before I leave.

The construction learning curve has been steep. I read a lot of the building threads and took notes, and did Internet research, but there's nothing like practical experience. I must say there is satisfaction in building something. We might build again---this time a house for ourselves---or we might not.

We've certainly gotten to know our building supply shops. We've bought from Thai Watsadu, Home Hub, Do Home, Big Lots, four different small shops within ten minutes of the build, a roofing shop on the Nong Kai highway, and two other building material shops. Wish I hadn't sold my pick-up truck a couple of years back. Not all places deliver for free.

Oh, and there's a scrap metal shop on the road to Sakon Nakon which has some really interesting finds. We bought some slightly bent iron to use for gate poles, and also sections that now constitute the gate. Here are some pics of that scrap metal shop:
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The first time I went there, a farang and his TW were loading a used gate into a songteaw for the trip to their place in Nong Sam Rong. Wish I'd gotten there first---it was a nice gate.

Drive through a Thai village---no two gates are alike!
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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by runrunshaw » February 11, 2019, 7:43 pm

Okay, it was now sometime in early to mid-December 2018, and issues with the build had settled down. The workers showed up every day and worked hard. The only thing that bugged me was that at the end of the day I'd ask what they needed for tomorrow, so I could buy it on my way home. Many times they said they didn't need anything, but by ten the next morning they would call, needing something ASAP! It created a lot of unnecessary running around and having to buy stuff at shops that sold at higher prices.

My wife's uncle Mak and I struck a deal that after the roof was finished and foundation poured, I would pay them 50,000 baht to complete the house, including plumbing, but not electrical or painting/tiling,drop down interior ceiling.

Mak agreed to throw in a couple of iron doors he had for the Thai kitchen, and to build a counter and some other extras. Not sure if that was a good price, but I agreed.
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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by maaka » February 12, 2019, 4:50 am

Like your written story and your build..
just as a yard stick, can I throw in some pics of a workshop / bungalow / shop / classroom I have just had built for 300k..
Maybe its over priced but thats how it comes..it the options its gives us, or the missus when I depart this mortal coil..
I left one bay as a carport just so the missus wouldnt have the family move in now and I would loose my man cave, but in the future we will pull the 4 windows out and block in the carport and the boy when he marries can live there..it has a toilet and shower attached..10m x 5m roughly..
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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by runrunshaw » February 12, 2019, 9:04 am

Looks like you got your money's worth to me. Congrats on building such a swank man cave--I should be so lucky to have one. Smart move to leave the one bay open as a carport, LOL!
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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by maaka » February 13, 2019, 6:21 am

Thanx Matey, yup well it was not much extra moola to extend the roof over the carport, and concrete the floor..now just needs walls in the future, and the carport becomes another room..I like plenty of concrete outside so you have options to work on, cook outside, entertain, etc etc..and it keeps the mud out in wet season..
yes good luck with your wee build..

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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by bluejets » February 13, 2019, 6:57 am

Wondering why most builds I see do not include guttering on the house running to water tanks.
Many reasons to support such a thing and few against as far as I can see.

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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by runrunshaw » February 13, 2019, 8:55 am

maaka wrote:
February 13, 2019, 6:21 am
Thanx Matey, yup well it was not much extra moola to extend the roof over the carport, and concrete the floor..now just needs walls in the future, and the carport becomes another room..I like plenty of concrete outside so you have options to work on, cook outside, entertain, etc etc..and it keeps the mud out in wet season..
yes good luck with your wee build..
I feel the same about the concrete. More is coming on our build. I'll have some questions for the forum on concrete soon.
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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by runrunshaw » February 13, 2019, 9:18 am

bluejets wrote:
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Wondering why most builds I see do not include guttering on the house running to water tanks.
Many reasons to support such a thing and few against as far as I can see.
I think a PhD dissertation could be written on the subject of "Changing Usage of Cisterns in Thai Villages." Be interesting to get some input on this.

My in-laws, who still reside in grandma's old village house, have a system of cisterns. Then a few years back, grandma got a well dug and an electric water pump, and they ran a water pipe into the outhouse. Now, she is on the village water supply, which is extremely cheap. She doesn't use the well anymore--it's cheaper to use the village water supply than to pay for the electricity to run the pump. At least that's what I was told. There is now a Western commode in the bricked-in outhouse.

At the house I'm building, the sloped roof will drain all of the water to the rear. I could install guttering on the rear section of the roof to collect rainfall. But...

We were lucky to get on to the village water supply. Three spigots outside, and of course, indoor plumbing. Not sure that buying those huge cisterns or tanks, and a pump and pipes to get water into the house would justify the cost. I'm all for recycling, but during the dry season those tanks would be empty, and I'd still need to use village water (which comes from the village well), unless I wanted to install my own well, which I don't.

If I chose to install guttering on the rear of the roof, it would simply be to direct the flow for better drainage control.
But maybe I'm missing something about the costs of rainwater collection and usage.
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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by glalt » February 13, 2019, 10:00 am

Our village water supply is 3 baht per cubic meter. Very cheap. BUT, it is on and off and not dependable. The pressure is also not high enough to make the switch in the shower heater. I use an 1,800 liter storage tank and the pump drawing from that tank. Of course the pump has plenty of pressure. We were collecting rain water but there was too much dirt from the roof going into the tank. If you can collect clean rain water, that is nice soft water and much better than the hard well water from the village.

The storage tank has a float valve and fills when there is village water. We also have one of those old round cement jars, I think they call it an ong. It holds about a thousand liters for dire emergencies. I had no choice but to buy the storage tank and pump to be able to take a hot shower. My first water pump lasted ten years and other than replacing the pressure switch on the replacement pump, the system has been trouble free.

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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by runrunshaw » February 13, 2019, 10:50 am

Good point about dirt from the roof in rainwater. I drank a lot of rain water in Central America when I stayed in the Keyes and it was great. The trick is to collect it in at least a semi-sanitized way if you want to drink it.

Once in awhile, my kids will put a bowl outside during heavy downpours...tastes good.
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Re: Low Budget Village Build For In-Laws

Post by Doodoo » February 13, 2019, 10:52 am

sent you a PM
Thanks for the info

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