Marriage Extension New Rule

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by LoneTraveler » March 8, 2019, 8:49 am

I have 2 questions concerning the marriage extension. I would ask immigration but I am not sure how reliable their answers will be. I want to be as prepared as possible so I do not have to make a return trip to Immigration because I do not have all my ducks in a row.

1. How many copies of the complete marriage extension need to be submitted? Some poster say 1 and some say 2.

2. How many un-related witness are required to accompany us to Immigration on the day of application. Again some say 1 and others say 2.

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by Udonhoward » March 8, 2019, 8:58 am

Don't know the answer to #1, but I've always only had one witness, and that works.

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by TAXIfor7/11 » March 8, 2019, 9:01 am

2 copies of everything ,1 un -related witness

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by sometimewoodworker » March 8, 2019, 10:25 am

LoneTraveler wrote:
March 8, 2019, 8:44 am


I have 2 questions concerning the marriage extension. I would ask immigration but I am not sure how reliable their answers will be. I want to be as prepared as possible so I do not have to make a return trip to Immigration because I do not have all my ducks in a row.

1. How many copies of the complete marriage extension need to be submitted? Some poster say 1 and some say 2.

2. How many un-related witness are required to accompany us to Immigration on the day of application. Again some say 1 and others say 2.
1) 2 sets
2) First extension 2 ( including pu yai baan) second extension 1
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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by Chriss » March 15, 2019, 7:42 am

And a follow on from my OP. Had a call yesterday from Immigration now they want me to make a transaction at my bank and have my bank book updated for them to copy. Take 100 bht out or put 100 bht in is all you need I was told.
Did the deed took the book to the office where they took a couple of copies.
I feel sorry for the IO's, it looks like they are sent these requests from BKK but aren't told the why's and wherefore's... you can see the frustration on their faces as they apologised for all the delays. One IO told my wife they have over 100 people to call to get these updates from.
Another week to wait for my final stamp in the passport, maybe. Think I'll up to a retirement next time.

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by dragonz » March 19, 2019, 8:54 am

sometimewoodworker wrote:
March 7, 2019, 5:35 pm
dragonz wrote:
March 7, 2019, 4:42 pm
sometimewoodworker wrote:
March 7, 2019, 2:21 pm
dragonz wrote:
March 7, 2019, 11:54 am
Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year
It is not a marriage certificate. It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. The Thai marriage certificates are the pretty ones.

It is extremely unlikely to be on the same network as the immigration records as it needs rather less security.
yeh probably ok to most people but to me a bit crazy . was with my wife and boys getting same visa from same officers who have known me for 10 years . Took me 8 hours and about 200 kms driving because immigration could not check if i was divorced . They could have just phoned the office and given them the number off my old kor sor 2 and they could have just told them or emailed /faxed it to them , would take 10 minutes and saved me 6 hours and 100 kms or even better they could have told me on my last 90 day report which was on jan 28 when i asked if there were any new documents needed for my new extension in a few weeks and was told no
what is the equivalent document in other countries because to me it is just an entry in the amphur to say you have got married ?
To repeat It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. AFIK the UK doesn't have an equivalent

If you were in immigration when you were told you could have gone to the nearest Ampur to get the up to date one.
dont understand ? when i was in immigration?I was in immigration and was told i could get one at the nearest amphur but they could not find it on the pc as i stated making me go to the office in which i registered the marraige , lucky it was not bangkok . The whole point of what i was saying as an immigration office they shouyld be able to check on their pc on the amphur website to see if i am divorced or not

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by sometimewoodworker » March 19, 2019, 2:40 pm

dragonz wrote:
March 19, 2019, 8:54 am
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dont understand ? when i was in immigration?I was in immigration and was told i could get one at the nearest amphur but they could not find it on the pc as i stated making me go to the office in which i registered the marraige , lucky it was not bangkok . The whole point of what i was saying as an immigration office they shouyld be able to check on their pc on the amphur website to see if i am divorced or not
Immigration at the local level does not have access to the Ampur computer network. The Ampur computer network does not have a web interface. So no they could not check on your behalf.

There seems to be some problem with your marriage registration documents that you need to get fixed as it is standard practice to go to the most convenient Ampur or Ket and they will be able to print a current Kor Ror 2 or Kor Ror 22.

The problem you had was not the fault of the immigration office but of the Ampur, so you have a justified beef with the Ampur for messing things up, but none with immigration.
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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by dragonz » March 23, 2019, 7:21 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote:
March 19, 2019, 2:40 pm
dragonz wrote:
March 19, 2019, 8:54 am
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dont understand ? when i was in immigration?I was in immigration and was told i could get one at the nearest amphur but they could not find it on the pc as i stated making me go to the office in which i registered the marraige , lucky it was not bangkok . The whole point of what i was saying as an immigration office they shouyld be able to check on their pc on the amphur website to see if i am divorced or not
Immigration at the local level does not have access to the Ampur computer network. The Ampur computer network does not have a web interface. So no they could not check on your behalf.

There seems to be some problem with your marriage registration documents that you need to get fixed as it is standard practice to go to the most convenient Ampur or Ket and they will be able to print a current Kor Ror 2 or Kor Ror 22.

The problem you had was not the fault of the immigration office but of the Ampur, so you have a justified beef with the Ampur for messing things up, but none with immigration.
your right it was the amphurs fault but saying immigration cannot access their website is silly . just need the log on details . it is not a closed network or all the amphurs could not share the info/ and i think a good website for immigration to be able to access
I was at immigration for my last 90 reporting 6 weeks before and asked if there were any new rules and was told no so really was immigrations fault as the told me it was a new rule and had been out nearly a year

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by sometimewoodworker » March 24, 2019, 11:41 am

dragonz wrote:
March 23, 2019, 7:21 pm
your right it was the amphurs fault but saying immigration cannot access their website is silly. just need the log on details .
Not at all silly just a knowledge of computer networks the internet and infrastructure that you clearly do not seem to have.

Websites are only 1 way of passing information across the internet, there are quite a few others.

FWIW I have been accessing data via networks since the early 70's, long before ARPANET was envisioned.
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it is not a closed network or all the amphurs could not share the info/ and i think a good website for immigration to be able to access
How precisely do you know that it isn't a private network, it certainly could be and all Ampersand and Kets could have access? How do you know that it is deployed on a website?
I don't know that it isn't deployed as a web server, but equally don't know that it is.

There is no need to have the information accessible via a browser, and quite good security reasons for it not to be.

I know that closed networks are deployed across contents, so over a couple of thousand kilometres is simple
dragonz wrote:
March 23, 2019, 7:21 pm
I was at immigration for my last 90 reporting 6 weeks before and asked if there were any new rules and was told no so really was immigrations fault as the told me it was a new rule and had been out nearly a year
It certainly wasn't immigration's fault that your registration was improperly entered on the system, turning what should have been a half hour trip into a 4 hour one.

It isn't a surprise that not every immigration officer knows what you had to produce last year and if there was anything missing or if anything was added.

It was published in the guidance leaflet as an item that may be required in 2008 so hardly a new rule & it was highlighted as a requirement to me when I got the leaflet 2 years ago and was required for my extension in April.
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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by Chriss » March 27, 2019, 11:37 am

The requirement for the Kor Ror 2 has been there for some years as shown on the leaflet above..The only new part is you now must show an updated Kor Ror 2 document every time you renew the extension. As was told to me by Udon Immigration last Thursday when I got the final stamp in the passport.

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by LoneTraveler » March 27, 2019, 1:53 pm

Chriss Did you use the 400k option to provide proof of finances? I am hoping to use the monthly income without much hassle from Immigration. I will keep 400K on deposit just in case.

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by Hoopoe » March 27, 2019, 3:32 pm

Chriss wrote:
March 27, 2019, 11:37 am
The requirement for the Kor Ror 2 has been there for some years as shown on the leaflet above..The only new part is you now must show an updated Kor Ror 2 document every time you renew the extension. As was told to me by Udon Immigration last Thursday when I got the final stamp in the passport.
HI Chris if i remember this correctly they told you renew 3 days prior ,i went in with a friends Kor Tor 2to make sure correct document ,he said yes fine , then i asked "renew every year " yes , i then asked how near to the time of application for marriage extension should you re new the Kor Tor 2 , his reply , one month , i then again showed him the Kor Tor 2 document we had which would be 6 weeks old on application ,he said thats ok , go figure ,the land of smiles i think not , more the Land of Confusion would be a better title

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by Chriss » March 27, 2019, 9:25 pm

LoneTraveler wrote:
March 27, 2019, 1:53 pm
Chriss Did you use the 400k option to provide proof of finances? I am hoping to use the monthly income without much hassle from Immigration. I will keep 400K on deposit just in case.
Yes I use the 400k in a savings account method.

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by Chriss » March 27, 2019, 9:31 pm

Hoopoe wrote:
March 27, 2019, 3:32 pm
Chriss wrote:
March 27, 2019, 11:37 am
The requirement for the Kor Ror 2 has been there for some years as shown on the leaflet above..The only new part is you now must show an updated Kor Ror 2 document every time you renew the extension. As was told to me by Udon Immigration last Thursday when I got the final stamp in the passport.
HI Chris if i remember this correctly they told you renew 3 days prior ,i went in with a friends Kor Tor 2to make sure correct document ,he said yes fine , then i asked "renew every year " yes , i then asked how near to the time of application for marriage extension should you re new the Kor Tor 2 , his reply , one month , i then again showed him the Kor Tor 2 document we had which would be 6 weeks old on application ,he said thats ok , go figure ,the land of smiles i think not , more the Land of Confusion would be a better title
I was in the 1 month waiting period from application, think I had 4 days to go, when they called and told me to go get an updated Kor Ror 2 which I did that day and presented it 1/2 hour later. When I received my final passport stamp the IO said next year the new document should be dated close to extension renal application date... Ambiguous wording 'close to'...

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Re: Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by Stantheman » March 28, 2019, 4:24 am

For those who were married to Thai spouse in their home country before moving to thailand, I assume you must register the marriage at the local Amphor then get the Kor ror 2 if planning on getting an extension based on marriage.

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