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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by magpie73 » March 25, 2019, 4:10 am

where I live in the north east off England all I have seen the eu do is destroy our shipbuilding and steelworks and given in return shity jobs in car plants on minimum wage no skilled needed so fcuk the eu and all it stands for the self appointed twats then you've got the country flooded with polish working skilled construction jobs 10 pound an hour undercutting local labour sooner where out the better and fcuk a second referendum me and the other 17 million voters know what we were voting for if the remainers are not happy I suggest you's fcuk off to your European utopia end off



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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by Zico » March 25, 2019, 5:09 am

magpie73 wrote:
March 25, 2019, 4:10 am
where I live in the north east off England all I have seen the eu do is destroy our shipbuilding and steelworks and given in return shity jobs in car plants on minimum wage no skilled needed so fcuk the eu
How did the EU stop shipbuilding in England? :shock:

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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by AlexO » March 25, 2019, 7:12 am

Zico wrote:
March 24, 2019, 4:42 pm
glalt wrote:
March 24, 2019, 4:22 pm
Voting until you get the result you want is not the way it is supposed to be done.
That's exactly the way it's supposed to be done in a democracy.

People change their minds, otherwise Tony Blair would still be PM. Very popular PM in his time, not so much now. ;)
That's exactly what the EU Dictatorships view of Democracy is and unfortunately it seems as if many of the spineless self seekers in Westminster have adopted this view as well. If you look back Tony Bliar was not so popular, he resigned as PM due to his taking the Nation into a war by lying his head off about WMD. People in the UK are calling for his head or at least a war crimes trial.

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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by Zico » March 25, 2019, 8:13 am

The EU is the best thing to happen to Europe since the Renaissance.

The UK is in many ways the blue print for the EU. individual nations with their own identity and culture coming together to be greater than the sum of their parts.

If you don't like the idea of the EU what's the point of the UK?

London and the South East of England dominates the rest of the UK, with scarce investment being allocated to poorer regions. That causes deprivation in other parts of the UK.

It's a flawed system but leaving the EU won't change it.

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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by JimboPSM » March 25, 2019, 8:16 am

I signed the petition to revoke Article 50 (I did have to wait about an hour before receiving the e-mail which I had to confirm to complete the process).


It is noteworthy that at the same time that a million or so were on the anti-Brexit march in London, an absolutely enormous crowd (estimates say that it could have been as many as 200) were in a pub car park to see Farage make one of his fleeting visits to the damp squib known as the Brexit March to Leave.

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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by glalt » March 25, 2019, 8:52 am

I'm not a Brit but I certainly understand the people wanting their country back. If the vote were done again, it may show that even more people want out after seeing how the EU is using scare tactics, weakening the pound and putting up every obstacle possible to force the UK to remain in the failing socialist scheme. I don't understand all the negotiations when it is a simple thing to just get out, period.

I predict that if the UK simply gets out there will be a period of possibly even painful adjustment but EU businessmen are in business to make money and surely are not going to stop doing business because the EU bureaucrats wants to punish the UK. Many non EU countries are anxiously waiting this outcome because they want to do business with the UK with out jumping through all the EU hoops and BS.

The Germans could not win the second world war and hopefully they won't win this battle either. The UK does need to elect politicians with the traditional stiff upper lip and with some backbone to get the country back on track after all the damage that has been caused by bleeding heart liberals.

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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by Zico » March 25, 2019, 9:04 am

glalt wrote:
March 25, 2019, 8:52 am

The Germans could not win the second world war and hopefully they won't win this battle either.
You could have saved yourself an hour by just typing that bit. :D

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Post by GT93 » March 25, 2019, 12:20 pm

The Germans won the peace. They're the most influential country in Europe.

Germans also enjoy a great standard of living as do some of the "socialist" countries in Europe.

Surely revoking Article 50 just drags the Brexit fuss out for longer and longer. British politicians look like they couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery. The EU, socialists or whatever, look like they could very efficiently organize a fantastic piss up. Better than anything ever seen in Soi Samphan.

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Post by BillaRickaDickay » March 25, 2019, 2:11 pm

Since big brother has arrived in the UK, we are now forced to use computers to be able to go about our daily business, everyone now has access to a computer/smart phone so maybe we could get rid of politicians for good.
In a real democracy, if everyone could vote referendum style on every issue at the touch of a button, Brexit would have been sorted out years ago.
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Post by saint » March 25, 2019, 2:40 pm

GT93 wrote:
March 25, 2019, 12:20 pm
The Germans won the peace. They're the most influential country in Europe.

Germans also enjoy a great standard of living as do some of the "socialist" countries in Europe.

Surely revoking Article 50 just drags the Brexit fuss out for longer and longer. British politicians look like they couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery. The EU, socialists or whatever, look like they could very efficiently organize a fantastic piss up. Better than anything ever seen in Soi Samphan.
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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by saint » March 25, 2019, 2:44 pm

BillaRickaDickay wrote:
March 25, 2019, 2:11 pm
Since big brother has arrived in the UK, we are now forced to use computers to be able to go about our daily business, everyone now has access to a computer/smart phone so maybe we could get rid of politicians for good.
In a real democracy, if everyone could vote referendum style on every issue at the touch of a button, Brexit would have been sorted out years ago.
Brilliant idea . True democracy . We could even get a vote on what we spend the millions we saved not paying them lame ducks in Westminster , and covert the houses of parliament into condos .

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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by yartims » March 25, 2019, 11:39 pm

The only thing that the Brexit vote has shown is the total contempt by the MP's of the electorate - and before the remoaners start hitting that dislike button, remember that your vote is not worth anything in the future if your vote can be overturned and that if you vote for remain again in the future, the MP's would have a right to go against you and vote for Brexit anyhow under their own new rules !.

Just another option for an indicative vote that will NOT gain a majority in Parliament! Too many Labour MP's represent Leave constituencies and would not want to alienate their constituents, possibly a few Conservatives might but as 70% of Conservative MP's and 60% of Labour MP's represent constituencies that voted for Brexit, I seriously doubt the numbers are there for it to pass through Parliament, regardless of the SNP and LibDem vote!
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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by tinpeeba » March 26, 2019, 12:51 am

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Post by Drunk Monkey » March 26, 2019, 1:12 am

After living in Thailand 20 yrs i really dont give a **** about brexit n all it has been .. my daughter still ives there n her fella is well stashed but as i have advised to all i know last man turn off the lights ..

the UK is fooked ,, major industry gone .. all our car brands are now kraut owned .. bla bla bla

the UK voted to leave .. and leave they should but its the fault of the totally useless over paid politicians that have made this so difficult .. UK gotta get out ,, as must a few other the EU is done n dusted if just a couple of other countires jum ship .. OUT MEANS OUT ,, you dont have a vote n then say .. hang on lets vote again cos our elected politicians have failed miserably to sort out the wish of the people ..

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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by Zico » March 28, 2019, 5:28 pm

Drunk Monkey wrote:
March 26, 2019, 1:12 am
OUT MEANS OUT ,, you dont have a vote n then say .. hang on lets vote again cos our elected politicians have failed miserably to sort out the wish of the people'
The problem is there is no majority consent for which OUT is on offer.

What is the true will of the people if there are two factions with contradictory interpretations claiming to represent their wishes?

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Post by Lone Star » March 28, 2019, 5:32 pm

Zico wrote:
March 28, 2019, 5:28 pm
Drunk Monkey wrote:
March 26, 2019, 1:12 am
OUT MEANS OUT ,, you dont have a vote n then say .. hang on lets vote again cos our elected politicians have failed miserably to sort out the wish of the people'
The problem is there is no majority consent for which OUT is on offer.

What is the true will of the people if there are two factions with contradictory interpretations claiming to represent their wishes?
The vote is the vote.

What the two factions are fighting over is whether or not to honor the vote. It's typical of elitists who think they know best for the masses and rabble. The role of the factions is to honor the vote of the People. There are always winners and losers in voting.

There's nothing to interpret. The results of the vote are clear.
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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by Zico » March 29, 2019, 10:34 am

Lone Star wrote:
March 28, 2019, 5:32 pm

The vote is the vote.

What the two factions are fighting over is whether or not to honor the vote. It's typical of elitists who think they know best for the masses and rabble. The role of the factions is to honor the vote of the People. There are always winners and losers in voting.

There's nothing to interpret. The results of the vote are clear.
The Elite, like Jacob-Rees Mogg and Boris Johnson, are the ones pushing for an outcome they denied would happen during the campaign.

They said the prospect of the UK crashing out of the EU with no arrangements for future trade was 'Project Fear' propaganda.

I'd argue that most people who voted to leave the EU did so on the understanding that politicians like Jacob-Rees Mogg and Boris Johnson could deliver on their promise that the UK would keep the trading relationship but get rid of free movement and the ECJ.

They failed so if they're offering something different now. They propose leaving the EU and putting the UK on the same trading terms as a third world country which will decimate domestic industry and lead to potentially catastrophic shortages of food and medicines.

The people deserve a vote on this new scenario.

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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by minimiglia » March 29, 2019, 10:40 am

Dont be so stupid, they are queing up to do busines with the UK

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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by Lone Star » March 29, 2019, 10:55 am

Zico wrote:
March 29, 2019, 10:34 am
. . .

They failed so if they're offering something different now. They propose leaving the EU and putting the UK on the same trading terms as a third world country which will decimate domestic industry and lead to potentially catastrophic shortages of food and medicines.

The people deserve a vote on this new scenario.
Nothing should be offered differently on either side.

Honor the vote of The People.
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Re: Revoke Article 50 petition

Post by Zico » March 29, 2019, 1:52 pm

minimiglia wrote:
March 29, 2019, 10:40 am
Dont be so stupid, they are queing up to do busines with the UK
Of course and the UK will be able to negotiate trade deals specific to its own interests if it is no longer part of a customs union with the EU.

But the day after leaving the EU with no other agreement in place all the UK will default to WTO rules on trade with all but an inconsequential handful of counties.

It takes years to negotiate trade deals unless you want to look desperate and then end up getting screwed over. Who wouldn't take advantage of a country in the UK's position after a no deal Brexit?

That's not even considering what happens to existing trade with the EU. Leaving the EU with no deal is like a self imposed economic blockade.

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