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Re: Trump's US in retreat: racism, domestic pathologies behind global mess

Post by trekkertony » June 30, 2019, 6:55 am

Yes Jackspratt, Bob Carr was elected to the Senate in the 2013 election as he held pole position on the labour ticket however failed to take his place after Labour was routed at the election. It smacked of a child tossing all his toys out of the pram and that it would be beneath him to be a part of the opposition. A cock rooster one day and a feather duster the next springs to mind.



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Post by Armyvet » June 30, 2019, 8:47 am

It is just Fu%&*ng amazing at the amount of self styled international experts living in Udon but not limited to. Always reminds me of the old saying, opinions are like rectums, every has one.

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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 9:18 am

Mick,

Not sure where you got your figures from, these are actuals.

between 1995 and 2005 government debt reduced from $12.2 B to $1.2 B

1995 Deficit $4M
1996 Surplus $145M
1997 Surplus $1.9M
1998 Surplus $2.0M
1999 Surplus $2.0M
2000 Surplus $1.2M (despite financing the Olympics)
2001 Surplus $3.0M
2002 Surplus $368M
2003 Deficit $118m (The GFC hit this year)
2004 Deficit $379M
2005 Surplus $569
2006 Surplus $696

Overall a significant surplus, reduced government debt and reduced unemployment to 5.6%, the lowest in the commonwealth.

Where did you get your info on spending money like water? Sounds like an opinion, rather than one based on facts.
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Post by mickojak » June 30, 2019, 9:29 am

Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 9:18 am
Mick,

Not sure where you got your figures from, these are actuals.

between 1995 and 2005 government debt reduced from $12.2 B to $1.2 B

1995 Deficit $4M
1996 Surplus $145M
1997 Surplus $1.9M
1998 Surplus $2.0M
1999 Surplus $2.0M
2000 Surplus $1.2M (despite financing the Olympics)
2001 Surplus $3.0M
2002 Surplus $368M
2003 Deficit $118m (The GFC hit this year)
2004 Deficit $379M
2005 Surplus $569
2006 Surplus $696

Overall a significant surplus, reduced government debt and reduced unemployment to 5.6%, the lowest in the commonwealth.

Where did you get your info on spending money like water? Sounds like an opinion, rather than one based on facts.
:roll:

Thanks for pointing that out.
Who was the prime minister from 1995 to 2004?
John Howard, Liberal party.

Just shot yourself in the foot there =D>

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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 9:40 am

trekkertony wrote:
June 30, 2019, 6:55 am
t it would be beneath him to be a part of the opposition.
He was opposition leader of NSW Labor for 6 years.

In 2013, at age of 65 he considered his position and felt it would be better to step aide and give Deb O'Neill a chance to establish herself in the Senate ahead of the planned 2016 Federal election. He could have stayed on as a shadow minster and collected around $240,000 a year, a senator in opposition is a very cushy role, but he chose to step down.

interesting to see the views of the uniformed on this thread. First of all decrying Bob's profound knowledge of the American political processes, then when that was shot down in flames, the naysayers turned to personal attacks.

Says a lot about these posters
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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 9:42 am

trekkertony wrote:
June 30, 2019, 6:55 am
t it would be beneath him to be a part of the opposition.
He was opposition leader of NSW Labor for 6 years.

In 2013, at age of 65 he considered his position and felt it would be better to step aide and give Deb O'Neill a chance to establish herself in the Senate ahead of the planned 2016 Federal election. He could have stayed on as a shadow minster and collected around $240,000 a year, a senator in opposition is a very cushy role, but he chose to step down.

interesting to see the views of the uniformed on this thread. First of all decrying Bob's profound knowledge of the American political processes, then when that was shot down in flames, the naysayers turned to personal attacks.

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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 9:50 am

mickojak wrote:
June 30, 2019, 9:29 am
Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 9:18 am

Thanks for pointing that out.
Who was the prime minister from 1995 to 2004?
John Howard, Liberal party.

Just shot yourself in the foot there =D>
Your comment was that Labor in NSW spent recklessly. They did not, they kept spending below revenue and almost eliminated debt. John Howard did not frame NSW budgets.

I would also point out, that almost every economist in the world pointed out that the Australian economy had already been reformed by Hawke & Keating prior to Howard taking office. He inherited a red hot economy fueled by reform and an unprecedented mining boom, what a great position to be in on assuming office.

That is an aside of course, your statement about spending by Carr is factually incorrect.

Let me also correct a mistake I made on an earlier post, the GFC hit in 2007, not 2003.
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Post by jackspratt » June 30, 2019, 9:57 am

mickojak wrote:
June 30, 2019, 9:29 am

Who was the prime minister from 1995 to 2004?
Answer: not John Howard.

How is your foot?

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Post by mickojak » June 30, 2019, 10:07 am

jackspratt wrote:
June 30, 2019, 9:57 am
Answer: not John Howard.
Really.

Look yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_P ... _Australia

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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 10:19 am

mickojak wrote:
June 30, 2019, 10:07 am
jackspratt wrote:
June 30, 2019, 9:57 am
Answer: not John Howard.
Really.

Look yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_P ... _Australia

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that is election dates Mick, not time served in office. He assumed office in March 1996 and left office in December 2006 where he became only the second Australian Prime Minister to lose in his own electorate. Open wider, you need room for that second foot.
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Post by mickojak » June 30, 2019, 10:23 am

Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 10:19 am
He assumed office in March 1996 and left office in December 2006
That about exact;y what I said.
Thanks for backing me up again.

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Post by jackspratt » June 30, 2019, 10:33 am

mickojak wrote:
June 30, 2019, 10:07 am
jackspratt wrote:
June 30, 2019, 9:57 am
Answer: not John Howard.
Really.

Look yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_P ... _Australia

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OK - I understand now. You don't know that 1995 is not the same as 1996. :?

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Post by trekkertony » June 30, 2019, 11:24 am

Essex,
With all your superior knowledge and insight into the workings of the labour party can you explain why Bob Carr accepted the No1 postiion on the Labour Senate ticket only to relinquish same after the election. If he had such regard for Deb O'Neill why didn't he offer her the position prior to the election.

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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 11:28 am

mickojak wrote:
June 30, 2019, 10:23 am
Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 10:19 am
He assumed office in March 1996 and left office in December 2006
That about exact;y what I said.
Thanks for backing me up again.
still denying that Carr's government was not a reckless spender, still denying he i internationally renowned as an authority on American History and politics?

Not backing you up at all, your comments flew in the face of the facts.
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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 11:31 am

Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 11:28 am
mickojak wrote:
June 30, 2019, 10:23 am
Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 10:19 am
He assumed office in March 1996 and left office in December 2006
That about exact;y what I said.
Thanks for backing me up again.
still denying that Carr's government was not a reckless spender, still denying he is internationally renowned as an authority on American History and politics?

Not backing you up at all, your ill informed comments flew in the face of the facts.
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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 11:31 am

Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 11:31 am
Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 11:28 am
mickojak wrote:
June 30, 2019, 10:23 am
Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 10:19 am
He assumed office in March 1996 and left office in December 2006
That about exact;y what I said.
Thanks for backing me up again.
still denying that Carr's government was not a reckless spender, still denying he is internationally renowned as an authority on American History and politics?

Not backing you up at all, your ill informed comments flew in the face of the facts.
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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 12:06 pm

trekkertony wrote:
June 30, 2019, 11:24 am
Essex,
With all your superior knowledge and insight into the workings of the labour party can you explain why Bob Carr accepted the No1 postiion on the Labour Senate ticket only to relinquish same after the election. If he had such regard for Deb O'Neill why didn't he offer her the position prior to the election.
Had Bob stepped aside before he election, it would have been seen as a minister having no confidence in Rudd, that would have been politically unacceptable. He is neither the first or the last senator to resign under such circumstances, the latest being Christopher Pyne.

Your smarmy comment about superior knowledge is noted, but as a former middle ranking party office holder, I do have some insights.
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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 12:07 pm

Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 12:06 pm
trekkertony wrote:
June 30, 2019, 11:24 am
Essex,
With all your superior knowledge and insight into the workings of the labour party can you explain why Bob Carr accepted the No1 postiion on the Labour Senate ticket only to relinquish same after the election. If he had such regard for Deb O'Neill why didn't he offer her the position prior to the election.
Had Bob stepped aside before he election, it would have been seen as a minister having no confidence in Rudd, that would have been politically unacceptable. He is neither the first or the last senator to resign under such circumstances, the latest being Christopher Pyne.

Your smarmy comment about superior knowledge is noted, but as a former middle ranking party office holder, I do have some insights.

BTW, it is the Labor party not labour.
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Post by Essex » June 30, 2019, 12:09 pm

Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 12:07 pm
Essex wrote:
June 30, 2019, 12:06 pm
trekkertony wrote:
June 30, 2019, 11:24 am
Essex,
With all your superior knowledge and insight into the workings of the labour party can you explain why Bob Carr accepted the No1 postiion on the Labour Senate ticket only to relinquish same after the election. If he had such regard for Deb O'Neill why didn't he offer her the position prior to the election.
Had Bob stepped aside before he election, it would have been seen as a minister having no confidence in Rudd, that would have been politically unacceptable. He is neither the first or the last senator to resign under such circumstances, the latest being Christopher Pyne.

Deb was the next member on the previous Senate ticket, well aligned with Sussex street and a natural choice.

Your smarmy comment about superior knowledge is noted, but as a former middle ranking party office holder, I do have some insights.

BTW, it is the Labor party not labour.
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Post by TJ » June 30, 2019, 12:46 pm

Meeting should be in Sunday's news.

Kim accepts Trump's invitation to meet at Panmunjom

U.S. President Donald Trump will meet Sunday with North Korea's Kim Jong Un at the Demilitarized Zone separating the North and South, a day after he issued an unprecedented invitation and expressed willingness to cross the border for what would be a history-making photo op.

South Korean President Moon Jae-in announced that Kim accepted Trump's invitation to meet when the U.S. president visits the heavily fortified site at the Korean border village of Panmunjom.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/ ... 71476.html

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