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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by Whistler » June 30, 2020, 5:00 pm

maaka wrote:
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Biden will pick Hillary as running mate...whats the bet on that..
not a snowballs chance in hell


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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by GT93 » July 1, 2020, 2:26 am

The Trump presidency:

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Post by tinpeeba » July 1, 2020, 2:44 am

Study based on a Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) data set of terrorist incidents indicates that the most significant terrorism threat is from white supremacists.

https://menafn.com/1100393173/The-Escal ... CSIS-Brief

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Post by Whistler » July 1, 2020, 10:22 am

GT93 wrote:
July 1, 2020, 2:26 am
The Trump presidency:

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Isn't it the other way around?
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Post by tamada » July 1, 2020, 4:35 pm

Whistler wrote:
July 1, 2020, 10:22 am
GT93 wrote:
July 1, 2020, 2:26 am
The Trump presidency:

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Isn't it the other way around?
No. Vlad's a bottom.

Always has been.

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Post by tamada » July 1, 2020, 10:40 pm

Back on topic, the repeated exhortations of the NHS's excellence may be questionable at times but this looks a bit grim, no?

US public health system facing more cuts in a time of national crisis

https://apnews.com/e28724a125a127f650a9b6f48f7bb938

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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by GT93 » July 2, 2020, 2:17 pm

The Putin presidency? Possibly. I like the photo as they're strolling together as mates in the same direction. In contrast Obama was making America great and kicking totalitarian arse.

The US, a very wealthy nation, is a loser state when it comes to public health. The world is building a wall to keep Americans out.

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Post by Whistler » July 3, 2020, 6:05 pm

mickojak wrote:
June 2, 2020, 9:06 pm
Probably the same pols that predicted sour puss to win in a landslide?

How many protesters out of the 330 million americans?
I said a tiny, tiny percentage.
Prove me wrong
Proven

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... e=Homepage
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Post by GT93 » July 4, 2020, 2:09 am

Even George Washington, once owner of 300 slaves, has been having his arse kicked in the big US papers recently. I read he went to considerable lengths to keep his slaves enslaved at a time when slavery was already seen as extremely morally depraved. He freed his slaves when he died but not before then.

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Post by Doodoo » July 4, 2020, 7:09 am

Does this mean no more need for The Wall???
"Mexico closes border in Arizona as coronavirus cases in both countries surge"

Is this reverse thinking on Trumps part? Make it so unacceptble to come to the States that the other countries turn on you???

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Post by glalt » July 4, 2020, 10:01 am

There is no doubt that Trump alienated many countries with his USA first program. Those countries were forced to give up their lucrative VERY favorable trade deals. It is a great advantage for the USA to have a level playing field. It should be obvious that the UN and NATO are full of overpaid appointed bureaucrats. Why should the US pay more than their fair share?

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Post by Doodoo » July 4, 2020, 10:15 am

I agree that the UN is a waste.
As for the US paying more than their fair share one must look again
and say "I dont think so"
Now these figures are a year old but with the wy Old Donny has been spreading the cash around hw had owed the UN
"U.N. members owe $2 billion in debt to peacekeeping, U.S. owes a third"
Now that is a pretty good piece of change
And as of June 2020 USA is in arrears
https://www.un.org/en/ga/contributions/honourroll.shtml

So if USA wants to play the game they have to pay their dues and so far the UN aint seen a dime

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Post by GT93 » July 5, 2020, 1:36 pm

The UN headquarters could be moved to Beijing or New Delhi if the US won't cough up.

Using a photo from The Washington Post, I'll name it "USA 2020":

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Post by mech_401 » July 5, 2020, 4:59 pm

let's try and be honest . for the last 20 years the
u.s. has consistently paid . . . over a billion $ a year to U.N. you guys fudging data isn't clever

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Post by Whistler » July 5, 2020, 6:17 pm

glalt wrote:
July 4, 2020, 10:01 am
There is no doubt that Trump alienated many countries with his USA first program. Those countries were forced to give up their lucrative VERY favorable trade deals. It is a great advantage for the USA to have a level playing field. It should be obvious that the UN and NATO are full of overpaid appointed bureaucrats. Why should the US pay more than their fair share?
The US has been protectionist for most of the last 100 years, there are highly restrictive regulations, tariffs and quotas in place, particularly for agriculture & metal imports. Free trade has never been a US policy. On top of that, internet and technology giants like google, Apple, Oracle and Microsoft use tax transfer mechanisms so they pay little tax in countries where they make large profits. Chevron is but one other example of dodgy tax arrangements.

Trump has threatened retaliation if any country changes legislation to force these corporates to pay tax in the countries where they make profits.

Now Asia is a manufacturing powerhouse, The USA is no longer a manufacturing superpower, it lags in quality and costs. Detroit iron has been below foreign manufacturer's build quality for decades, no wonder the manufacturing belt became the rust belt.

America's problems are of it's own makings in general, now I cannot see it recovering its leadership role.
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Post by Udon Map » July 5, 2020, 6:40 pm

Whistler wrote:
July 5, 2020, 6:17 pm
On top of that, internet and technology giants like google, Apple, Oracle and Microsoft use tax transfer mechanisms so they pay little tax in countries where they make large profits. Chevron is but one other example of dodgy tax arrangements.
Dodgy tax arrangements? What's wrong with arranging one's affairs to minimize income tax as long as it complies with the law? If Congress wants to change the tax law, it can.

Reminds me of when people say that someone charged with a crime got off on a technicality. Technicality? You mean the law?

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Post by mech_401 » July 5, 2020, 7:23 pm

it's a tax code . they even have accountants, nay
entire companies whose business it is , to keep
one in compliance and not violate the statutes.

and , i can't even remember how many hollywood
starlets, or detroit rappers, have been caught out

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Post by anefarious1 » July 5, 2020, 8:09 pm

Udon Map wrote:
July 5, 2020, 6:40 pm
Whistler wrote:
July 5, 2020, 6:17 pm
On top of that, internet and technology giants like google, Apple, Oracle and Microsoft use tax transfer mechanisms so they pay little tax in countries where they make large profits. Chevron is but one other example of dodgy tax arrangements.
Dodgy tax arrangements? What's wrong with arranging one's affairs to minimize income tax as long as it complies with the law? If Congress wants to change the tax law, it can.

Reminds me of when people say that someone charged with a crime got off on a technicality. Technicality? You mean the law?
But you failed to mention that the laws are written for the benefit of the elites. That's what lobbyists are for among many other ways the system is completely rigged to enrich the super rich and well connected. Hardly analogous with a technicality.

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Post by Udon Map » July 5, 2020, 8:41 pm

anefarious1 wrote:
July 5, 2020, 8:09 pm
Udon Map wrote:
July 5, 2020, 6:40 pm
Whistler wrote:
July 5, 2020, 6:17 pm
On top of that, internet and technology giants like google, Apple, Oracle and Microsoft use tax transfer mechanisms so they pay little tax in countries where they make large profits. Chevron is but one other example of dodgy tax arrangements.
Dodgy tax arrangements? What's wrong with arranging one's affairs to minimize income tax as long as it complies with the law? If Congress wants to change the tax law, it can.

Reminds me of when people say that someone charged with a crime got off on a technicality. Technicality? You mean the law?
But you failed to mention that the laws are written for the benefit of the elites. That's what lobbyists are for among many other ways the system is completely rigged to enrich the super rich and well connected. Hardly analogous with a technicality.
The law is the law. Different people will have different opinions about whether or not a particular law is fair.

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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by anefarious1 » July 6, 2020, 9:56 am

Udon Map wrote:
July 5, 2020, 8:41 pm
anefarious1 wrote:
July 5, 2020, 8:09 pm
Udon Map wrote:
July 5, 2020, 6:40 pm
Whistler wrote:
July 5, 2020, 6:17 pm
On top of that, internet and technology giants like google, Apple, Oracle and Microsoft use tax transfer mechanisms so they pay little tax in countries where they make large profits. Chevron is but one other example of dodgy tax arrangements.
Dodgy tax arrangements? What's wrong with arranging one's affairs to minimize income tax as long as it complies with the law? If Congress wants to change the tax law, it can.

Reminds me of when people say that someone charged with a crime got off on a technicality. Technicality? You mean the law?
But you failed to mention that the laws are written for the benefit of the elites. That's what lobbyists are for among many other ways the system is completely rigged to enrich the super rich and well connected. Hardly analogous with a technicality.
The law is the law. Different people will have different opinions about whether or not a particular law is fair.
Obviously! And many people are good sheep, believing the law always trump what is just and fair. They will even vigorously defend such laws because their role is to be sheep (unlike those who the law favors). Many sheep will comply if, for example, a law is passed to microchip heads including those of their children. The country can literally be stolen from them and, as long as it's done lawfully, that is OK with them. FREEDOM!!!!

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