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Re: America's history

Post by tamada » September 24, 2020, 6:23 am

mech_401 wrote:
September 23, 2020, 9:00 pm
and of all the protagonists you could have chosen
for your embellished tale, servicemen above all
others are usually the last to show bigotry/ prejudice
One of the fundamental facts of life is that one's personal experiences are usually neither universal or empirical. Not even yours.



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Re: America's history

Post by Kenr6583 » September 24, 2020, 7:31 am

Just for argument sake. If Trump truly believes now that there is no systematic racism in the United States, why did he pass the First Step Act in 2018? Or was it done just to pander to a certain ethnic group for more votes for his reelection?

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Re: America's history

Post by Kenr6583 » September 24, 2020, 7:36 am

And what about Cuba? Less than 2 months before the elections, he goes off and reinstates all sanctions against Cuba. Again, is this being done just to pander to a certain ethnic group for more votes in his reelection? Or is it because Cuba wouldn't let him build hotels or golf courses in their country?

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Re: America's history

Post by Khun Paul » September 24, 2020, 7:37 am

America loves rewriting history especially if it puts them in a good light, no matter how outrageous it is.
We forget those of us born in Western Europe that our countries pre-date America by at least 1500 years in most cases and more in some cases.
Our history in some cases has been re-written and now sadly the Modern youth are attempting to re-write that as well, especially when it comes to slavery .
Someone wrote that America was born on the backs of slavery, may I add AND immigration to build what is now essentially a Modern nation, they even had a Civil war to determine how the country was going to proceed ( maybe a simplification ), but is outcome changed the Nation and its effects are still reverberating in many states.

It is sad that it Appears that Americans cannot move on to a more mature democracy , rather they are sliding back into partisanship which is in effect dividing it as never before, almost more akin to the Civil war than anything else
( politically ) . But they have a choice, currently internationally with the current leadership they are a loose cannon wanting everything their own way forgetting that their gene pool derived from almost 95% NON-native Americans , in most cases, a melting pot of history and cultures .

We ( the world ) waits with bated breath at the current debacle called the Presidential Election to see what will emerge a nation with a moral pulse or one whose heart is fractured beyond repair as it slides down even more into apathy and ignominy . Shouting out It is Great when in fact it will be a mere shadow of its former self , and that will be a travesty .

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Re: America's history

Post by GT93 » September 24, 2020, 7:48 am

I listened to a BBC radio programme on Apollo XIII yesterday. The "Apollo Program" rates in my book as one of the greatest human achievements ever.

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Re: America's history

Post by papafarang » September 24, 2020, 9:09 am

Kenr6583 wrote:
September 24, 2020, 7:36 am
And what about Cuba? Less than 2 months before the elections, he goes off and reinstates all sanctions against Cuba. Again, is this being done just to pander to a certain ethnic group for more votes in his reelection? Or is it because Cuba wouldn't let him build hotels or golf courses in their country?
Saw that on TV this morning , what I don't understand is why ,Fidel Castro is dead ,their not developing nukes or ballistic weapons. So what has Cuba done to the united states lately ?. American history of failure in foreign policy that comes under .it is good GT pointing out a great achievement by america so its not all just bad news. Unless it was faked :lol:
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Re: America's history

Post by tamada » September 24, 2020, 10:13 am

Kenr6583 wrote:
September 24, 2020, 7:36 am
And what about Cuba? Less than 2 months before the elections, he goes off and reinstates all sanctions against Cuba. Again, is this being done just to pander to a certain ethnic group for more votes in his reelection? Or is it because Cuba wouldn't let him build hotels or golf courses in their country?
45's Cuba agenda is fueled SOLELY by his personal obsession with undoing everything that 44 did.

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Re: America's history

Post by FrazeeDK » September 24, 2020, 12:35 pm

and what exactly did Trump change in the Obama administration's policies towards Cuba? Not a whole lot..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_thaw
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Re: America's history

Post by Kenr6583 » September 24, 2020, 1:11 pm

FrazeeDK wrote:
September 24, 2020, 12:35 pm
and what exactly did Trump change in the Obama administration's policies towards Cuba? Not a whole lot..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_thaw
Nobody said it was a whole lot. He just put back the sanctions that Obama had eased up on while trying to negotiate with Cuba. But why did he do it now instead of three years ago? He did it to appeal for a certain ethnic groups vote. The exact same reason he signed the First Step Act in 2018.

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Re: America's history

Post by noosard » September 24, 2020, 1:17 pm

And everyone says he is an idiot

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Re: America's history

Post by mech_401 » September 24, 2020, 1:59 pm

tamada wrote:
September 24, 2020, 6:23 am

One of the fundamental facts of life is that one's personal experiences are usually neither universal or empirical. Not even yours.
for what it's worth, i've nominated you for UM's
walter mitty creative literature award. be patient
it might take a couple wks for paperwork to clear

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Re: America's history

Post by tamada » September 24, 2020, 2:08 pm

FrazeeDK wrote:
September 24, 2020, 12:35 pm
and what exactly did Trump change in the Obama administration's policies towards Cuba? Not a whole lot..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_thaw
Did you read the complete wiki?

"On June 16, 2017, President Donald Trump stated that he was "canceling" the Obama administration's deals with Cuba, while also expressing that a new deal could be negotiated between the Cuban and United States governments."

The INTENT is right there despite him not repealing things 100%. He couldn't even do that with Obamacare. Either way, he's been slowly ratcheting up most of the old restrictions.

Going all out and canceling the travel restrictions for Cubans that Obama had lifted would alienate a whole chunk of the precious Hispanic FL vote. Nobody's about to do that.

But there's already a U.S. Politics thread where discussion on Cuban-American relations is more appropriate. The U.S.A's colonization of Cuba is a far more recent bit of American history and not really what this thread is addressing.

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Re: America's history

Post by tamada » September 24, 2020, 2:28 pm

papafarang wrote:
September 24, 2020, 9:09 am
Kenr6583 wrote:
September 24, 2020, 7:36 am
And what about Cuba? Less than 2 months before the elections, he goes off and reinstates all sanctions against Cuba. Again, is this being done just to pander to a certain ethnic group for more votes in his reelection? Or is it because Cuba wouldn't let him build hotels or golf courses in their country?
Saw that on TV this morning , what I don't understand is why ,Fidel Castro is dead ,their not developing nukes or ballistic weapons. So what has Cuba done to the united states lately ?. American history of failure in foreign policy that comes under .it is good GT pointing out a great achievement by america so its not all just bad news. Unless it was faked :lol:
At the risk of going off topic, while I was working in the US, I asked a good friend of mine why the enduring punishment of Cuba. He offered that it was because, "Cuba pointed a gun at America and we cannot forgive them for that." I guess he was referring to the Cuban Missile Crisis and Castro being between a rock and a hard place after the American supported Bay of Pigs debacle.

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Re: America's history

Post by Kenr6583 » September 24, 2020, 7:14 pm

It's been 58 years since the Cuban Missile Crisis. Why does the United States have relations with Vietnam, Japan, Saudi Arabia, or Germany, just to name a few, yet not Cuba?

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Re: America's history

Post by Kenr6583 » September 24, 2020, 8:17 pm

Nice little read, but it seems to talk more about Bhutan. But does anyone believe that Cuba's regime is any different than a Saudi Arabia's?

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Re: America's history

Post by Doodoo » September 24, 2020, 8:23 pm

What do you think Ken?

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Re: America's history

Post by papafarang » September 24, 2020, 8:45 pm

Kenr6583 wrote:
September 24, 2020, 8:17 pm
Nice little read, but it seems to talk more about Bhutan. But does anyone believe that Cuba's regime is any different than a Saudi Arabia's?
Beheadings in public makes them allies , having a social healthcare system makes them enemies
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Re: America's history

Post by Kenr6583 » September 24, 2020, 9:13 pm

Doodoo wrote:
September 24, 2020, 8:23 pm
What do you think Ken?
It was a rhetorical question. I know it's all about the oil and what Saudi Arabia can do for Trump and Cuba not allowing Trump to build a hotel and golf course there.

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Re: America's history

Post by GT93 » September 27, 2020, 12:48 am

Ken Burns' landmark documentary "The Civil War" hasn't aged well:
The nine-part documentary drew 40 million viewers — one in every six Americans alive at the time. President George H.W. Bush watched it. So did Army Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, while preparing for the Persian Gulf War. And it has had a lasting, and in many cases, misleading impact on how Americans see the war.

Like “Gone With The Wind” and statues that glorify Confederate generals, the series romanticized a conflict fought over the right of White Southerners to own, profit from and brutalize enslaved Black people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/ ... lby-foote/
Instead, the series suffers from an inappropriate presentation of “both sides.” Again, showing both sides is often a sign of responsible journalism. But the problem with the Lost Cause narrative is not just that it isn’t “woke” by today’s standards. It is also not true.

The attempt to splice together real and pseudo histories of the war is perhaps best encapsulated by the narrator’s thesis: “What began as a bitter dispute between union and states’ rights ended as a struggle over the meaning of freedom in America.”

Well, no. Something close to the reverse is true: What began as a struggle over the meaning of freedom in America was afterward whitewashed into a dispute over states’ rights.

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