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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » March 19, 2019, 2:39 pm

Too expensive for the cost benefit stated in the NYT article.

Whatever the reason, it's no longer a priority, or they would "continue it for the children." That always seems to be the LIB default position.


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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » March 27, 2019, 6:22 am

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Another unexplained event of nature doing what nature does.

And another conflict with models . . .

Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland ice and climate scientist Jason Box has acknowledged that the Jakobshavn glacier is now GROWING at the same rate that it was previously shrinking.

Now the believers say that it's not going as fast as they thought, but it's still going -- even though it is growing. The believers also say that it's probably temporary. Probably.

In 2017, there was a study that showed non-polar glaciers were stable or growing.

Believers are their own worst enemies -- kinda like Democrats. Climate models actually have proven how little is known about what's going on.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 10, 2019, 7:12 am

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Believer's Data Brings Their Claims Into Question

ThinkProgress, a far Left coven of believers and scientists, has revealed new historical information that shows that current levels of CO2 were present over 2 million years ago.
Current CO2 levels of 410 parts per million (ppm) were last seen on Earth three million years ago, according to the most detailed reconstruction of the Earth’s climate by researchers at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) and published in Science Advances.
There were no cars or trains or planes or industrial factories or coal or oil or gas or plastic or electricity or all of the other evils feared by believers. Were there even any humans walking the earth that long ago?

I thought most of this warming was the fault of human activity. I thought that past climate cycles didn't matter. Only the data of believers matter. And ignore the fact that the Ice Age occurred far in advance of Industrialization.

The same study:
... there were no ice sheets covering either Greenland or West Antarctica, and much of the East Antarctic ice sheet was gone.

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Temperatures were up to 7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer globally, at least double that at the poles, and sea levels were some 20 meters (65 feet) higher.
ThinkProgress then debunks Oc-Co Loco's claim that the world ends in 12 years:
The good news is that the Earth does not warm instantly, and mile-thick ice sheets melt even more slowly. So the temperature rise will take several decades, and tens of feet of sea level rise will take hundreds and hundreds of years.
And then they play GET TRUMP:
Even worse, the climate policy agenda President Donald Trump is pushing — actions that include rolling back U.S. laws that reduce carbon pollution and abandoning the Paris climate agreement — would lock us in to such high CO2 levels, sea levels would rise a foot per decade in just a few decades.
It's like I have said all along. Tell me how you will slow, stop, reverse what believers claim is MMCC. They can't.

The Earth has climate cycles that are uncontrollable by Man.

So you see, these believers tell us that their data shows that the planet was a full 7 degrees warmer than it is now (along with other conflicting information).

In summary, the climate does what it wants to do.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by rick » April 11, 2019, 11:03 am

Cherry picking again. Yes, there are climatic cycles. But the last time we had co2 levels over 400 ppm was about 3 million years ago, and since then it has been much lower and we have been through dozens of glacial cycles. Fact - you can match rising co2 levels to emissions caused by humans. We are in uncharted territory in our species lifetime.
Of cjourse the world isn't going to end. But we are probably going to face the biggest environmental changes our species have ever experienced.

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Post by Doodoo » April 11, 2019, 11:10 am

"I thought most of this warming was the fault of human activity. I thought that past climate cycles didn't matter. "

There ya go again thinking!!!


"It's like I have said all along. Tell me how you will slow, stop, reverse what believers claim is MMCC. They can't."
People do supply information and not being a Enviromental Scientist myself I have to believe them and try and help the cause. If someone doesnt want to list so be it.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 12, 2019, 6:03 am

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Canada's Climate Barbie Back In The News

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This poor child. She can't get out of her own way.
The science is clear. Canada is warming faster than the rest of the world from human-caused climate change.
They always say that: "The science is clear." But it's not clear -- other than the fact that climate changes.

Catherine McKenna is Canada's Minister of Environment and Climate Change -- affectionately known as "Climate Barbie." She's a ditz.

In the typical socialist picking-winners-and-losers methodology, McKenna awarded a private company $12 million for energy-efficient refrigerators. That private company has net earnings of close to $1 billion annually and have recently been involved in a price-fixing scandal they admitted to perpetrating. They also owe back taxes. This had made Canadians a bit angry.

She also tries desperately to conflate air pollution with CO2 levels. They are unrelated.

Just another glitch in the mission of believers.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Doodoo » April 12, 2019, 9:32 am

Now its Canada. Meddling in another countries business while you haven't cleaning up the backyard in the US

Now if you want to take a piece of history regarding climate change and air pollution You can look up the acid rain affair from when the US had loads of coal burning steel mills on the east coast and with the predominant winds going form their to the forest/lake areas of Canada/USA they poisoned hundreds of lakes to the point no fish could survive due to the lower ph levels of the water
So there was a situation, manmade that was identified and changed for the better Manmade Pollution creating a change of the climate and treated
"The science is clear." But it's not clear -- other than the fact that climate changes." It was clear and yes the climate changed for the worst and was fixed

From 1983 "The Canadian Government has argued in recent years that the breadth of acid-rain pollution demanded urgent action, but the Reagan Administration has maintained that there is insufficient evidence to tie the death of lakes to the flow of pollutants from industrial plants."

In summarizing work on the USA first in cleaning up before going to the neighbors to complain

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 14, 2019, 6:13 am

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Another Alarmist Prediction That Didn't Happen

Source: John Kerry, Obama's Secretary of State

Other than Algore, John Kerry is probably at least a close second in being WRONG about mmcc.

Kerry spent quite a bit of time as Obama's head of the State Department spreading the mmcc propaganda. He called for raising taxes, sacrificing liberty to his big government and believing him no matter what to help save the Earth.

Like Oc-Co Loco claims that migrants are migrating because of mmcc, Kerry made the claim that mmcc caused the civil war in Syria. Kerry also blamed mmcc on ISIS forming and the flood of Muslims into the EU.

When John "Lurch" Kerry was in the US Senate, he predicted in 2009 that mmcc would cause the Arctic to be completely melted by 2013. And he quoted SCIENCE on this prediction. Kerry lambasted a fellow senator for being wrong on his contrary view to mmcc.

Kerry:
I wish he were really up to state-of-the-art with respect to the science on global climate change.

You have sea ice, which is melting at a rate that the Arctic Ocean now increasingly is exposed. In five years, scientists predict we will have the first ice-free Arctic summer.

That exposes more ocean to sunlight. Ocean is dark. It consumes more of the heat from the sunlight, which then accelerates the rate of the melting and warming, rather than the ice sheet and the snow that used to reflect it back up into the atmosphere.
We are now almost a full 6 years PAST the summer of 2013, and science professor Kerry was not just wrong, but DAMN WRONG.

Another climate alarmist prediction that didn't happen. Thank God that the US Senate didn't tax Americans more for this foolishness.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Udon Map » April 15, 2019, 9:37 pm

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April 14, 2019, 6:13 am
When John "Lurch" Kerry was in the US Senate, he predicted in 2009 that mmcc would cause the Arctic to be completely melted by 2013. And he quoted SCIENCE on this prediction. Kerry lambasted a fellow senator for being wrong on his contrary view to mmcc.

Kerry:
I wish he were really up to state-of-the-art with respect to the science on global climate change.

You have sea ice, which is melting at a rate that the Arctic Ocean now increasingly is exposed. In five years, scientists predict we will have the first ice-free Arctic summer.

That exposes more ocean to sunlight. Ocean is dark. It consumes more of the heat from the sunlight, which then accelerates the rate of the melting and warming, rather than the ice sheet and the snow that used to reflect it back up into the atmosphere.
We are now almost a full 6 years PAST the summer of 2013, and science professor Kerry was not just wrong, but DAMN WRONG.
Well, assuming that the Kerry quote is accurate (you didn't provide a source), it wasn't quite right; but he had the right idea. It's pretty much undisputed (photographic evidence is widely available on the internet) that there's much less ice in the Arctic now than there was, say, 20 years ago. So while there is still ice, the reduction is startling when you look at comparison satellite photos of then and now.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 16, 2019, 5:39 am

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Well, assuming that the Kerry quote is accurate (you didn't provide a source) ...
Comments made on the floor of the US Senate during debate are in the US Senate record.

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Post by Lone Star » April 23, 2019, 7:37 am

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Electric Cars have more CO2 and ICE vehicles

Source: Journal of Industrial Technology

The bad news for believers continues to mount. There never seems to be any breakthrough news about how believers will slow, stop or reverse what they claim is mmcc. The news is always that there is one more issue with their belief system.

It turns out that because of the energy used to produce the electric car, including the production of lithium batteries, the electric car begins with at least 40,000 miles of CO2 than an ICE car. The life cycle of the electric car will likely not be long enough to offer any CO2 savings since it begins in a very big CO2 hole to start.

The CO2 problem doesn't end there. The electric car will need to travel at least 80,000 miles before it breaks even when you also consider the electricity used to power the car. Add the time required to recharge the electric car, and another CO2 problem emerges.

The batteries in the electric car become less efficient over time. Car makers have admitted that the 73-mile range of a new electric car will drop by almost 30% after just 5 years. This statistic makes it even more difficult to ever get to that 80,000 mile threshold to break even on CO2 emissions.

The time spent by governments to bribe consumers to buy the cars hasn't worked either. The cars are expensive, the travel range is silly and recharging is a time-consuming nightmare.

And on the issue of recharging ... unless you can recharge your electric car from pure solar power, all the user is doing is shifting emissions from one source to another.

Believers fix the damage cost to the planet at about $4.75 per ton of man-made CO2. If you manage to live long enough to live through all the recharging and drive your electric beast for 100,000 miles, your total cost of saving the planet is only a few pennies more than $40.00 USD.

It's an extremely poor return on investment for the owner of the beast and for the planet. What a waste.

There never seems to be any breakthrough news about how believers will -- specifically -- slow, stop or reverse (by any measurable amount) what they claim is mmcc.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 23, 2019, 8:14 am

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Dr. Thomas Sowell:
Would you bet your paycheck on a weather forecast for tomorrow? If not, then why should this country bet billions on global warming predictions that have even less foundation?
Dr. Sowell makes a great point. Weather forecasting over only 24 hours away or even a week away is imperfect.

Data models from believers and their alarmist predictions have not only been wrong, but there have been too many occurrences of data being manipulated. And we're supposed to trust these people?

How can any sane, reasonable person allow themselves to be convinced to throw hard-earned assets at a claim when there have been no specifics provided as to how to solve the problem?
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Udon Map » April 24, 2019, 7:26 am

Lone Star wrote:
April 23, 2019, 8:14 am
Would you bet your paycheck on a weather forecast for tomorrow? If not, then why should this country bet billions on global warming predictions that have even less foundation?
Poor and inapposite analogy. Bet your paycheck and you're wrong, and you lose it.

"Bet" billions on the assumption that there is human-caused global warming which is detrimental to the planet and human life, the downside is that we'll spend a ton of money cleaning up the air, making energy production more efficient, etc., but the reason for doing so is a fallacy, and the expenditure will not have been necessary. Are you saying that without proof of global warming, those things are totally valueless and a complete waste of money? No benefit at all?

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Post by hairyharry » April 24, 2019, 3:48 pm

I hadn't realised that Harvard was such a poor university. Nor had I realised that Margaret Thatcher was so naive. Indeed, I had no idea Donald Trump was such an expert.

Climate Change The Facts is available on You Tube. Strongly suggest people watch it.

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Post by yartims » April 24, 2019, 7:38 pm

Global warming will cost £54 trillion MORE than previously thought because melting permafrost in the Arctic is releasing greenhouse gases, scientists claim

New models challenge previous assumptions about effects from Arctic warming
Melting permafrost, decreasing ice and snow cover will have complex effects
Thawing permafrost will release more warming carbon into the atmosphere
Meanwhile reduced ice and snow cover will reflect less sunlight back into space
Effects will add £19.3 trillion to climate change costs even under best scenario

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... ought.html
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Post by TJ » April 26, 2019, 6:55 am

Many of the prowarmist comments ignore the fact that the solution to the alleged warming threat has been proposed multiple times. Present technology is capable of undertaking, implementing and maintaining the cooling globally. The cost has been estimated to be in the billions (perhaps ten billion), not trillions.

The proposed solution is simply to spray or otherwise inject aerosols into the proper level of our atmosphere. The results will be much the same as historic cooling caused by volcanic action, the partial blocking of sun light. If the cooling is ever found to be too much it can be reversed by ending aerosol spreading as gravity will eventually pull aerosols back to earth.

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Post by GT93 » April 26, 2019, 7:15 am

I think 747man is more likely to be the next pope than the preceding post be correct. :lol:

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by TJ » April 26, 2019, 8:00 am

FYI

"New study examines practicality of spraying aerosols into the atmosphere to combat climate change
https://newatlas.com/spraying-aerosols- ... nge/57379/

Combating the effects of climate change by spraying aerosols into the atmosphere is a contentious topic, with many rightfully pointing out the risk of unintended side effects of such large-scale climatic intervention. But with the heads of so many governments around the world still firmly stuck in the sand on the realities of climate change, the prospect of increasingly desperate times calling for increasingly desperate measures becomes more and more conceivable. But putting aside the issues of should we or shouldn't we, or the prospects for success or failure, would such an approach even be practically achievable? A new study says yes.

"While we don't make any judgement about the desirability of SAI, we do show that a hypothetical deployment program starting 15 years from now, while both highly uncertain and ambitious, would be technically possible strictly from an engineering perspective," says Wagner. "It would also be remarkably inexpensive, at an average of around US$2 to 2.5 billion per year over the first 15 years."

The researchers point out that these calculations only include development and direct operating costs, not indirect costs associated with any monitoring or measuring of the impacts of such a program. The development costs also include the design and manufacture or an entirely new aircraft, despite previous studies claiming that, with some modifications, existing aircraft could do the job.

"It would indeed take an entirely new plane design to do SAI under reasonable albeit entirely hypothetical parameters. No existing aircraft has the combination of altitude and payload capabilities required."

The proposed aircraft would be equivalent in weight to a large narrow body passenger aircraft, but would need roughly double the wing area, double the thrust, and four engines instead of two, to achieve sustained flight at 20 km, as opposed to the roughly 10 km most airliners generally fly at. To carry a heavy, dense mass of molten sulphur matter instead of the large volume of space and air required for passenger aircraft, Smith says the fuselage of the hypothetical SAI plane would also need to be stubby and narrow.

The study estimates total development costs of such an aircraft would be less than $2 billion for the airframe, with an additional $350 million required to modify existing low-bypass engines. The program would start with a fleet of eight aircraft in the first year, increasing to just under 100 within 15 years. In the first year, just over 4,000 missions would be flown, rising at a rate of 4,000 a year to just over 60,000 annually by the 15th year.

Despite showing such a program is technically possible using today's technologies, and at a cost that would be within the reach of numerous countries, Wagner and Smith say there is little chance that a rogue state could secretly carry out such a project.

"No global SAI program of the scale and nature discussed here could reasonably expect to maintain secrecy," says Smith. "Even our hypothesized year one deployment program entails 4,000 flights at unusually high altitudes, by airliner-sized aircraft in multiple flight corridors in both hemispheres. This is far too much aviation activity to remain undetected, and once detected, such a program could be deterred."

So, with the study apparently showing the economic and engineering feasibility of SAI, the question is not could we, but should we, and would it actually work?"

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by TJ » May 2, 2019, 11:33 pm

NASA Declares Carbon Dioxide Is Greening The Earth

In direct contradiction to the scare stories about carbon dioxide being relentlessly pushed by the climate change alarmists, a scientific study published in Nature Climate Change and highlighted by NASA reveals that rising carbon dioxide levels are having a tremendously positive impact on the re-greening of planet Earth over the last three decades, with some regions experiencing over a 50% increase in plant life.

The study, entitled, “Greening of the Earth and its drivers,” used satellite data to track and map the expansion of green plant growth across the globe from 1982 – 2015. Published in 2016, this study found that rising atmospheric carbon dioxide causes “fertilization” of plant life, resulting in a remarkable acceleration of increased “greening” across every Earth continent. As the study abstract explains: We show a persistent and widespread increase of growing season integrated LAI (greening) over 25% to 50% of the global vegetated area… Factorial simulations with multiple global ecosystem models suggest that CO2 fertilization effects explain 70% of the observed greening trend…

In other words, the planet is getting greener, and we have rising CO2 levels to thank for it, since rising CO2 accounts for about 70% of the increase in planet-wide greening, according to scientists. The more CO2 we release into the atmosphere, the more nutrients are available for plants, and the more rapidly the Earth is re-greened.

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