How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by Lone Star » May 6, 2018, 1:05 pm

I LOVE the new CIA Director nominee! Excellent choice. :D

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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by fatbob » May 7, 2018, 9:39 am

So the resident idiot thinks it's ok to hold Arabs with no trial and subject them to torture he must then believe it ok for the reverse, Arabs to hold westerners with no trial and subject them to torture, strange man, he dosen't keep Bad Company any more though, they wouldn't have him....

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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by tamada » May 7, 2018, 3:11 pm

Lone Star wrote:
May 6, 2018, 1:05 pm
I LOVE the new CIA Director nominee! Excellent choice. :D
Last Friday she was reluctant to face the confirmation grilling and in a meeting at the White House, she wanted to withdraw. On Saturday, a couple of Trump's cabinet shot over to Langley to further pressure her to stay the course and only after mulling it over for another 24-hours, did she agree to let her nomination stand.

Her ardor for the job doesn't seem to mirror yours or that of this Presidency. Confirmation hearings are never a walk in the park, more so with the lack of respect shown by the administration towards pretty much all of the security services from the get go. To be fair there's quite a bit to be reticent about but the incessant and very public 'twittering' about life in the swamp hasn't made anyone's nomination particularly easy. Nor has it made anyone's current job or tentative appointment look very secure or long-term, especially with that high RPM revolving door that Trump had relocated from 725 5th Ave to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW.

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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by joepai » May 7, 2018, 3:55 pm

fatbob wrote:
May 7, 2018, 9:39 am
So the resident idiot thinks it's ok to hold Arabs with no trial and subject them to torture he must then believe it ok for the reverse, Arabs to hold westerners with no trial and subject them to torture, strange man, he dosen't keep Bad Company any more though, they wouldn't have him....
But the Arabs do "hold westerners with no trial and subject them to torture" - and then cut their heads off
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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by Lone Star » May 7, 2018, 4:09 pm

tamada wrote:
May 7, 2018, 3:11 pm
Lone Star wrote:
May 6, 2018, 1:05 pm
I LOVE the new CIA Director nominee! Excellent choice. :D
Last Friday she was reluctant to face the confirmation grilling and in a meeting at the White House, she wanted to withdraw. On Saturday, a couple of Trump's cabinet shot over to Langley to further pressure her to stay the course and only after mulling it over for another 24-hours, did she agree to let her nomination stand.

Her ardor for the job doesn't seem to mirror yours or that of this Presidency. Confirmation hearings are never a walk in the park, more so with the lack of respect shown by the administration towards pretty much all of the security services from the get go. To be fair there's quite a bit to be reticent about but the incessant and very public 'twittering' about life in the swamp hasn't made anyone's nomination particularly easy. Nor has it made anyone's current job or tentative appointment look very secure or long-term, especially with that high RPM revolving door that Trump had relocated from 725 5th Ave to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW.
I'm aware of her apprehension, and I understand it. I also agree with 100% of your assessment, but don't agree much with your criticism of the method/strategy that Trump has used. I've watched too many in the GOP get steamrolled for not fighting.

However, all I said was that "I LOVE the new CIA Director nominee! Excellent choice." I never believed or even slightly alluded that it would be easy. None of them have been easy. Not even the most highly qualified people have had an easy time.

All the Dem Marxists have in their favor is an ability to block nominees and obstruct the "America First" agenda. Voters are seeing that this obstruction harms the country by leaving so many vacancies unfilled. God forbid if Trump gets his people in position and has more successes!

The Dem Marxists and their obstruction is setting them up for a nuclear option on all appointees. They've already lost the ability to block Supreme Court justices, and there will be another one added soon to replace retiring Justice Kennedy. You can bet it will be another strict constitutionalist like Justice Gorsuch.

Even when Trump has been willing to "deal" with Dem Marxists, they don't want to give up anything -- not on DACA, not on border security, not on pretty much anything.

One thing that Trump has brought to DC is business accountabilty -- not going along with the lame government accountability that just about everyone in every country has experienced. No one is going to be allowed to hang around who can't get the job done. I've seen it ruin public education in the US and just about every level of government -- city, state and federal. Incompetent and disloyal people being allowed to hang around and undermine the mission and goals or just be too damn incompetent to get the job done.

There are negatives on both ends of that spectrum. Be nice and run the risk of being run over -- which is what GOP presidents and others have done in the past -- or fight back. I prefer the fight. That's why Trump won and McCain and McRomney lost -- they weren't willing to fight for the job, for themselves or even for The People.

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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by Lone Star » May 11, 2018, 12:02 pm

Truth always wins.

Gina Haspel served 30 of her 33 years undercover with CIA.

One of Haspel's assignments was as Chief of Staff to the person who was in charge of the detention site where some enhanced interrogations were carried out. Haspel was not in charge of the site.

Gina Haspel did not supervise the enhanced interrogation techniques and did not administer any.

Gina Haspel had no authority to dispose of any tapes of reditions, and she did not authorize the destruction of any.

Gina Haspel testified that there was a 3 year period when the CIA sought legal advice regarding the interrogation tapes. The CIA was interested in destroying the tapes to protect the identity of agents in the tapes.

Legal advice over three years confirmed to the CIA that there was nothing in policy and procedure or the law that prevented the tapes from being transcribed and then destroyed. Haspel was not the one who made the decision to destroy them, did not give any order to destroy them and did not destroy them herself. Before the tapes were destroyed, they were transcribed -- since transcriptions are admissible in all federal court proceedings.

Gina Haspel never viewed the tapes of any interrogations that occurred -- which were 92 tapes of 1 detainee, not of several detainees. There were only three detainees TOTAL during enhanced interrogation after 9-11 where water-boarding was used.

John Brennan, the #4 guy in the CIA during all of this, was confirmed easily when Obama appointed him to lead the CIA. Brennan knew more and was involved with more than Haspel ever could be involved. No problem for Brennan though because Bayrack appointed him to lead the CIA. 55555

So just about everything reported by the media regarding Gina Haspel's tenure at CIA regarding her duties and authority was nothing but smears and DAMN LIEs.

Truth always wins.

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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by vlad » May 11, 2018, 2:48 pm

Who do think is interested in these threads on an udon website. Do you think anyone is interested in Nominations of CIA officialdom here in udon thani. Why don't you inform the local members what is happening in and around Udon instead of keeping American threads like this going on when most are not interested, unless of course your bored and cant think of anything else to post.

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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by Giggle » May 11, 2018, 4:08 pm

^^ Thanks for the great information, as always, Lone Star. This topic is of high interest to many here on the forum as evidenced by the multiple pages of neurotic psychosis displayed by some of our more challenged posters. Brennan's easy confirmation as CIA director, a man who was far more instrumental in the splish-splash interviews held in the dank and secretive confines of Ban Dung (or was it Udon Air Base, or perhaps Poland, or maybe it's all a fantasy of the deranged), but faced almost no opposition, is telling. I appreciate your candor and ability to shine a light on some of this foolishness.

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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by glalt » May 11, 2018, 5:01 pm

It's not difficult to understand. The government is full of career politician obstructionists. We badly need term limits but will never see them because those politicians are loath to lose the jobs that made them wealthy through their corruption. They want to see Trump look bad even if it hurts the country. They need to start doing the job they were elected to do.

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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by Lone Star » May 12, 2018, 11:18 am

glalt wrote:
May 11, 2018, 5:01 pm
It's not difficult to understand. The government is full of career politician obstructionists. We badly need term limits but will never see them because those politicians are loath to lose the jobs that made them wealthy through their corruption. They want to see Trump look bad even if it hurts the country. They need to start doing the job they were elected to do.
You nailed it.

Here is some Brennan vs Haspel Hypocrisy in their own words ... and even Brennan flipped on his congressional testimony by stating that the enhanced interrogations worked, and he did not refer to them as torture. (If it was torture, water-boarding would not be used on our own troops as part of their training to resist during capture.)

It's all about stop Trump, and the media tried to further the lies and misinformation on Haspel.


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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by Lone Star » May 18, 2018, 11:01 am

Gina Haspel CONFIRMED.


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Re: How the nomination of a new CIA director raised new questions about Thailand's role in US torture

Post by tamada » May 20, 2018, 11:51 am

Lone Star wrote:
May 18, 2018, 11:01 am
Gina Haspel CONFIRMED.
As expected. The smoking gun that some hoped would link her directly to the rendition and torture side show wasn't presented because... it doesn't exist. An exemplary career in law enforcement and the intelligence community is thus recognized.

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