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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by joudon » August 11, 2018, 6:35 pm

Lets start calling' a spade a spade', (and to those who have not researched this saying, it has nothing to do with coloured people) The problem with immigration in Europe and I suspect USA too, comes down to one word..... Muslims. They REFUSE to integtate .



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Post by papafarang » August 11, 2018, 9:53 pm

"they wanted to assimilate while still having love for their native country( yep millions of black people really enjoyed their invitation to live there). That's why the enclaves then were reflective of their native country, but there was no doubt that they loved America and were appreciative of being able to be there."

how do you come to that conclusion ? what a statement ,was there no crime committed by an immigrant in 1883 ..or before or after that date. are you saying a muslim can't love being American ? ok i'm a Lib...and your a racist schmuck .
I accept both our names . but i'm sure not going to get upset about being called a Lib :lol: really is that the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Hitler was a nice guy for providing trains to the camps.. I thought Fox news was nauseating propaganda … but yours is true BS.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by tinpeeba » August 12, 2018, 3:31 am

joudon wrote:
August 11, 2018, 6:35 pm
Lets start calling' a spade a spade', (and to those who have not researched this saying, it has nothing to do with coloured people) The problem with immigration in Europe and I suspect USA too, comes down to one word..... Muslims. They REFUSE to integtate .
Overall in the UK I think that it is only a small minority of Muslims who refuse to integrate. In my experience in London most integrate quite well. Before retirement I enjoyed working and socialising with most of my Muslim colleagues. A few I didn't care for much just as there were some Christian co-workers I didn't like. Some of the most popular cafes and restaurants near my London home are Muslim and their clientèle is mainly white British. The proprietors are very sociable and active in local charity fund raising. In my street there are people of many different ethnicities and religions and in the main we support each other and get along very well.

Personally I think that all organised religions are nonsense and cause more harm than good. I respect the right of anyone to believe or not believe whatever they like provided they do not seek to impose it on others. No-one has the right to demand that their belief be beyond criticism or mockery but having said that I don't think it is wise to deliberately incite antipathy towards any particular group because of their religion.

Most people I know simply go along with whatever religion they happen to have been born into and brought up in without taking it very seriously. It is the people who, for whatever reason, take their religion to extremes that are the problem.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by trekkertony » August 12, 2018, 3:57 am

Tinpeeda, whilst you make good sense and l concur with your view, l struggle to accept where people from another country seek 'refuge' given the existing turmoil in their own country and then refuse to modify their personal attire to in an attempt to seek employment in a country that has provided them with an opportunity to live in peace. These people become a millstone around the neck of our country's social security system for life and that in itself creates a negative overall view of the nationalities concerned. I think any fairminded person would place the love of their country of birth and or country of repatriation above that of individual faith and have more empathy for those refugees who have a similar mindset.

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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by newtovillagelife » August 12, 2018, 7:54 am

Why isn't the NAFTA(Bi-Lateral) agreement between Mexico and the US, contingent on Mexico paying for the wall.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » August 12, 2018, 8:18 am

joudon wrote:
August 11, 2018, 6:35 pm
Lets start calling' a spade a spade', (and to those who have not researched this saying, it has nothing to do with coloured people) The problem with immigration in Europe and I suspect USA too, comes down to one word..... Muslims. They REFUSE to integtate .
The US immigration problem isn't Muslim in nature. Most Muslims who enter the US do so legally. If they are in the US illegally, it is because they are overstays. Those who overstay have violated immigration law by not leaving when their visa expires. They huddle in enclaves, which is common in the US for many immigrants, but the US doesn't appear to have the "no go" zones or massive number of incidents of women and children being raped as some sort of Islamic cultural norm. There is the stray honor killing here and there and other similar Islamic practices that hit the news occasionally, but nothing like the EU and the UK are experiencing. That said, those Muslims who strictly practice Sharia are incapable of assimilating into America and accepting the Constitution. Based on what I have read, Sharia does not allow assimilation. On the other side, I have seen many Muslims in the US who embrace the country, serve their adopted country honorably, and do assimilate.

Forty percent (40%) of the US immigration issue is visa overstays. These individuals come from all over the world LEGALLY. They come from all cultures, all races, all genders, all religions. They apply for and are granted visas for work, studying and tourism. When the visa expires, they don't leave. They blend into the society and take advantage of America's Individual Liberty and Freedom without following our laws. If they want to stay, they need to get in line and do it legally -- like the MILLIONS before them.

The massive criminal entry into the US that contributes to the ILLEGAL immigration problem originates south of the US border -- Mexico and Central and South America. Skin color? Not the issue. Illegal? Yes, and that's the issue. It's the main issue for native-born Americans who have to compete with them for jobs, suffer through lower wages and are victims of the crimes perpetrated by many of the illegals. Even LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, who got in line and did it the right way at great expense and over a long period of time, are not happy about the illegal immigrants.

The default position for the ignorant America-haters is RACIST.

Example? Even though I stated my view of the immigration issue in this thread previously, and unequivocally state it without regard to race, that is ignored and the ignorant America-haters double down on RACIST without a damn thing to back it up.

It's the spoiled little girl covering her ears and singing "LaLaLaLaLaLa" to avoid hearing the truth.

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I don't need to name names. Read their posts about anything America.

All the while, MILLIONS of foreigners do all within their power and the power of others to get into the US and stay there -- that same country that the America-haters try to label as RACIST. So many trying to get into and stay in that racist country ... 55555

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by newtovillagelife » August 12, 2018, 8:23 am

Why are the people employing these illegals not prosecuted. Seems they are part of the problem.

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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by Lone Star » August 12, 2018, 8:37 am

Erdogan of Turkey is now crying in the NY Times. 555

Erdogan's problems will stop when he releases Pastor Andrew Brunson, who is fast becoming the most expensive hostage in the history of hostage-taking. But the kidnappers are paying the price.

Erdogan makes a veiled threat of looking for new friends and allies. Going to leave NATO? Please go. Erdogan's Turkey cannot be trusted. Get out of NATO and go wherever you want to go.

But understand that Trump is not likely to back down. Either release Pastor Andrew Brunson, or continue to feel the pain of sanctions.
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Post by papafarang » August 12, 2018, 9:27 am

Andrew Brunson is a conspirator and a terrorist as should be treated as so. Turkey should put him on trial . if he's done nothing wrong then he has nothing to worry about
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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by joudon » August 13, 2018, 6:08 am

Which planet are you on? A trial in Turkey after Erdogan sacked and replaced many judges with his stooges.
Chance of a fair trial range in Turkey fom little to zero.

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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by papafarang » August 13, 2018, 7:09 am

legal experts on other countries laws , not our place to do so . laws are different in every country , just because your a foreigner don't make you exempt from their laws. they say he was working against the state , I have no idea of what their evidence is , does any legal expert on here have evidence to prove otherwise ?
We might view a system as unjust … but it's not our country to judge. the other day in Saudi they beheaded a Burmese guy, after they then crucified his body in public. no outcry as now that is acceptable with the west, or America where 94% of defendants plead guilty , no jury ,just convicted and jailed . a video the other day I watched some poor guy pleading guilty and taking a two year sentence to avoid a possible life sentence, he was already sitting in jail and was given the two options ,which would you choose ? anyway after he got out it turned out they had DNA evidence , only problem with that was it was not his DNA ,all he knew was the prosecutor said they had DNA and he would be convicted.
couldn't afford a lawyer, couldn't afford bail and had no idea what the evidence was against him.
But saying that , not my country , and how they run their justice system is none of my business.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by newtovillagelife » August 13, 2018, 7:12 am

Why would any US president try to bring down an iconic company(or any US company) like Harley Davidson...they are just trying to compete and make a profit...This is anti-American. What happened to capitalism.

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Post by Lone Star » August 13, 2018, 9:11 am

Even one of Obama's advisors on the economy, Jason Furman, has come out praising the GDP growth. He even went so far as to say that the economy is even stronger than it looks.
Big surprise: the underlying data for Q2 is even better than the headline 4.1% annual GDP growth rate.

Volatile NX added 1.1 but volatile inventories SUBTRACTED 1.0. All in consumption plus fixed investment up 4.3%.
In other words, there is underlying data that indicates things are much better than the 4.1% number.

There is a component in all of this called "final sales to private domestic purchasers" that measures the private sector. That number rose 4.3% in the second quarter, which was up a full 2.3% from the previous quarter. This component eliminates inventories, trade and government spending in order to look at raw private sector production and consumption.

The consumer spending data shows a sharp increase in the second quarter, which is usually closely connected to higher consumer confidence where there is very low unemployment and working Americans with more discretionary income as a result of the tax cuts.

Even to some of Obama's guys ...

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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by Lone Star » August 13, 2018, 9:14 am

joudon wrote:
August 13, 2018, 6:08 am
Which planet are you on? A trial in Turkey after Erdogan sacked and replaced many judges with his stooges.
Chance of a fair trial range in Turkey fom little to zero.
I don't know if 'fair' is even in Turkey's legal lexicon.

Worth noting how quickly someone reverses their view 180 degrees when challenged, in order to try to win an argument from both sides.

One day, someone claims the pastor is a conspirator and a terrorist. Next day, the same someone says the evidence is unknown and no one knows the evidence. Quick to judge the pastor one day. Next day, not anyone's right to judge how countries carry out their legal processes.

Some will go to the extreme length of contradicting themselves in order to try to win an argument.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Drunk Monkey » August 13, 2018, 9:34 am

Rock on ...it must be correct if Obees guy says so......if the numbers are right this is one small step for man one giant step for mankind ( i just made that up rather like it )

LS .. keep it up i love your very informative Trump postings

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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by papafarang » August 13, 2018, 11:36 am

Lone Star wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:14 am
joudon wrote:
August 13, 2018, 6:08 am
Which planet are you on? A trial in Turkey after Erdogan sacked and replaced many judges with his stooges.
Chance of a fair trial range in Turkey fom little to zero.
I don't know if 'fair' is even in Turkey's legal lexicon.

Worth noting how quickly someone reverses their view 180 degrees when challenged, in order to try to win an argument from both sides.

One day, someone claims the pastor is a conspirator and a terrorist. Next day, the same someone says the evidence is unknown and no one knows the evidence. Quick to judge the pastor one day. Next day, not anyone's right to judge how countries carry out their legal processes.

Some will go to the extreme length of contradicting themselves in order to try to win an argument.
conspirator and terrorist was the description the prosecutor called him, you think I should change that to flower arranger and kite flyer ? I made no claim ,the Turkish prosecutor did, quick to judge :lol: . it's just how he's been described. :roll:
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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by joudon » August 13, 2018, 11:59 am

He will have been described by the prosecutor exactly what the prosecutor would have been told to describe him as. FGS Turkey is a military run country, and the courts will also deliver a verdict that they have been told to deliver. The word 'kangaroo' comes to mind.

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Post by papafarang » August 13, 2018, 12:57 pm

unfortunately he's getting much better treatment as a terrorist than he would if say America labeled him a terrorist. remember what happens to them. after many years they are released without even being charged with anything . I wonder if they will waterboard Andrew Brunson and get a confession.
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Post by Lone Star » August 13, 2018, 12:59 pm

joudon wrote:
August 13, 2018, 11:59 am
He will have been described by the prosecutor exactly what the prosecutor would have been told to describe him as. FGS Turkey is a military run country, and the courts will also deliver a verdict that they have been told to deliver. The word 'kangaroo' comes to mind.
We also have a new "kangaroo" standard to embrace when reading posts. :)

We can make a statement in our posts, not attribute the words to anyone, be called out on contradiction and then come back later and claim that the words belonged to someone else.

Now I'm wondering whose words are in all those other posts? 55555

Cognitive dissonance comes to mind.

So now, no one is to be held to what they post because they may be posting what someone else said. Time for everyone to tune up on their mind-reading and analytical skills, fellahs!

Not even a weasel would posit that excuse.

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Post by Lone Star » August 13, 2018, 1:46 pm

The word coming out of DC is that Erdogan double-crossed Trump on a prisoner exchange.

This word coming after the shocking doubling of tariffs on Turkey with steel and aluminum. It was retaliation for the double-cross.

When Trump met Erdogan at the NATO meeting, they had friendly discussions and parted on good terms. Trump thought they had made a deal -- a Turkish citizen held by Israel for a US citizen held by Turkey.

On 14 July, Trump called Netanyahu and asked for the release of the Turkish citizen so that the swap could occur. The Turkish citizen was released the next day. Brunson was not released, and Turkish officials said no deal had been made -- but made more demands of the US for the release of Brunson.

These events led to the first round of sanctions, and the only way that Trump will ease up is if Bruson is released. In addition, there will be no more verbal agreements between the US and Turkey as long as Trump is in the White House and Erdogan is their leader. Everything will have to be in writing from here on out.

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