Will the EU succeed or fail?

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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by Lone Star » July 7, 2018, 9:42 am

Hungary is making noise -- "Hungary First!"

Hungary's minister for foreign affairs and trade believes that the "America First" platform used by Trump has changed European political realities. Peter Szijjarto went on to say that Hungary respects the decision of the American People and Trump's endeavor to put his country first.

Szijjarto says that saying "Hungary First" was stigmatized as nationalist or even fascist, but Trump has changed all that.

“Saying ‘Hungary First’, your nation first, is such a refreshing feeling. So we like him saying ‘America First’. Who should say ‘America First’ if not the American president? And what should the American president say? What first if not America? For us, it’s obvious.”

Szijjarto explains, "We definitely understand his patriotic economic policy, because we run a patriotic economic policy as well. We like the change in approach, that he does not want to lecture all other countries in the world. He understood the American methodology must not, by definition, work in countries with totally different history, different approaches, different understandings. And, of course, we understand very well his policy on migration."

Szijjarto also made reference to Obama's efforts to influence the domestic politics of Central and Eastern European countries. He spoke approvingly of the reluctance of the Trump administration to do the same. "We are happy that those open attempts to interfere in our domestic issues, which happened during the Democrat administration, are not the case anymore."
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by papafarang » July 7, 2018, 10:47 am

Szijjarto says that saying "Hungary First" was stigmatized as nationalist or even fascist, but Trump has changed all that.

no he ain't , it's still nationalism , because one fascist says another fascist isn't a fascist is one weak argument :lol:
like Mussolini saying Hitler wasn't a fascist , he was a national socialist :lol:
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by Lone Star » July 7, 2018, 3:28 pm

The English language is tricky for those whose reading comprehension suffers and/or suffers from a lack of understanding of the meaning of words.

"... stigmatized nationalist or even fascist ..."

These are two separate thoughts -- stigmatized nationalist is one, and fascist is the other.

At no point did Szijjarto say "Hungary First" or "America First" was not nationalism. Of course, those phrases are rooted in nationalism. What he DID say is that "nationalism" has been stigmatized as being bad. The definition of stigmatized means to be negatively characterized -- "as worthy of disgrace or great disapproval."

Szijjarto is merely pointing out that some members of the EU have stigmatized "nationalism" as being bad -- just as Trump-haters and America-haters have tried to do with the word.

Nationalism isn't bad unless taken to an extreme -- as with anything else. Nationalism is a patriotic feeling or based on patriotic principles and/or patriotic efforts. As in "America First." It is also an advocacy of political independence for a particular country.

Globalists and the pro-EU crowd stigmatize nationalism as being bad and "worthy of disgrace or great disapproval" because it's necessary for the EU to push that propaganda in order to keep all of the EU countries unified in giving up their sovereignty and autonomy. The EU must convince member countries to remove cultural/societal borders and eliminate their conservative values and traditions. In order for the EU to be successful, they must have control over everything, and that will not happen as long as member countries wish to preserve their heritage and borders -- and most importantly, their sovereignty.

Szijjarto's reference to fascism had to do with others labeling "Hungary First" as "fascism." Once again, just propaganda. Of course, nationalism is not fascism, nor is putting one's country first considered to be fascism. Unless the one making that accusation is creating their own definition of the words.

And yes, Mussolini was a fascist, and Hitler was a national socialist Nazi. So? That attempt at comparison between "Hungary First" and "America First" fails miserably.
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Post by Lone Star » July 8, 2018, 8:53 am

http://www.euronews.com/2018/06/29/ital ... rants-deal
Italy has welcomed the deal on immigration reached by European leaders at the Brussels summit. The country is the entry point for thousands of migrants and had threatened to veto the whole agenda if it did not get the cooperation it wanted on the issue.

"Italy is not alone anymore," Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte told waiting reporters. "Finally there is a common principle: migration problems must be faced in a complete manner. Solutions must consider internal and external issues as well as border controls. As stated in Article One, those who arrive in Italy arrive in Europe.".
I view this as somewhat of a setback for the globalists and the EU power brokers. A victory for any EU member seeking autonomy and sovereignty in any issue is not getting in line with their heads down and just moving along. There will be more bumps in the road.
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by vincemunday » July 9, 2018, 8:59 am

Looks like Theresa May has opted for the softest of soft Brexits and some of the ministers who wanted out have backed her, namely Gove and Boris. Unfortunately for her a few others have resigned, others have approached the conservative chairman for a vote of no confidence in TM and others are threatening to vote down the white paper. Of course now she's capitulated even further than anyone thought she possibly could the EU will almost definity be looking at further concessions striking while the proverbial iron is hot. The Conservative Party is now in tatters, split down the middle and people are cutting up their membership cards in droves, enter stage right, Farage will now make a return to mainstream UK politics, I'm not sure it will be with UKIP but he won't let this wishy washy version of Brexit happen without a fight. Interesting times.
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by glalt » July 9, 2018, 10:33 am

I think most countries would like their leaders to have a set of balls and not be so wishy washy. We would like to think that this PC crap is no longer in fashion. I'm not Brit but I would like to see the UK tell the EU to stuff it.

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That pretty much says it. "Poland First!"
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

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Will the EU succeed or fail? I think the question needs to be asked if this dude can survive anymore parties. He's lucky there are guys willing to gather around him and try to hide him. He is definitely feeling NO PAIN. That's not sciatica. He might have it, but it doesn't cause that reaction. :)
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by vincemunday » July 15, 2018, 8:23 am

The man’s a drinker for sure, sciatica? Don’t think so.... you often see him teetering after lunch. Let’s face it, his working days are nearly done and he’s keeping his alcoholic nose firmly in the trough for as long as he can, what’s the worry it’s not as though he can be voted out of office!
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by Lone Star » July 16, 2018, 4:24 pm



Dr. Victor Davis Hanson gives his views on the future of the EU.
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