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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by papafarang » October 12, 2019, 7:55 am

Mosquito wrote:
October 12, 2019, 7:43 am
Just for kicks, here's my personal prediction/odds:

House Impeachment odds 80-20.
Senate Conviction/Removal from office odds 40-60.
Trump Re-elected (if he makes it that far) 40-60.
* Odds only because of the electorial college.
* Losing the popular vote by greater than 6m votes.

Bucking the odds, Trump will be impeached/convicted/removed from office early next year.
You can feel the panic,what's the bit about not co operating with a impeachment inquiry being a impeachable offence ? individual trump ain't happy


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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Mosquito » October 12, 2019, 9:11 am

The part(s) that really baffles me:

- With the number of lawyers in congress, why can't they come up with a solid case plan. Their lacking investigation / logic skills.
- Again with the lawyers, on the Republican side. Don't they see the writing on the wall. Guess we'll see once Congress is back in session. Interested in seeing how many flip.
- Self preservation hasn't really kicked in for the majority of key players. As above, guess we'll see once Congress is back in session and planned hearings are completed.
- No fricking tax returns yet!!! Don't see the defense of no justification and persecution holding any water.

Will kick in another prediction:
Rudy Giuliani will flip and plea deal to keep from going to prison.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by TJ » October 13, 2019, 7:05 am

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trumps wall not so strong

Post by yartims » October 13, 2019, 11:17 pm

https://time.com/5694432/girl-climbs-bo ... l-replica/

trumps wall not so secure after all

the posts mean you can get a strop round the uprights .and at the top use magnets to secure ropes
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Re: trunps wall not so strong

Post by yartims » October 13, 2019, 11:18 pm

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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by GT93 » October 13, 2019, 11:56 pm

555 It might be deliberate. The Americans are happy for for athletic types to come in illegally. These folks are in good nick to be illegal workers.

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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by yartims » October 13, 2019, 11:58 pm

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/10/1 ... ative-trib
some good shots of 30 foot wall ..look easy to climb with strops and magnets
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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by yartims » October 13, 2019, 11:59 pm

if they can climb coconut trees its easy peasy
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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by yartims » October 14, 2019, 12:05 am

or cut a door with an angle grinder ? in about an hour
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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by yartims » October 14, 2019, 12:29 am

GT93 wrote:
October 13, 2019, 11:56 pm
555 It might be deliberate. The Americans are happy for for athletic types to come in illegally. These folks are in good nick to be illegal workers.
or be Olympic runners to win gold at the next gig
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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by jai yen yen » October 14, 2019, 5:39 am

yartims wrote:
October 13, 2019, 11:17 pm
https://time.com/5694432/girl-climbs-bo ... l-replica/

trumps wall not so secure after all

the posts mean you can get a strop round the uprights .and at the top use magnets to secure ropes
Trained climbers are a little bit different from average people as well as any wall or fence is a deterrent, not an absolute impossible obstacle. With cameras along the walls people attempting to climb them should give border patrol some time to respond.

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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by FrazeeDK » October 14, 2019, 9:28 am

yeah, walls don't work right? That's why illegals go east to avoid the double barrier that exists south of San Diego. Illegals crossing along that section of the border are practically zero.
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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by glalt » October 14, 2019, 10:02 am

All walls can be gotten over, BUT, you won't see hundreds of people who can climb over them. Land mines, high voltage and shooting are not acceptable methods except in some third world countries.

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Post by papafarang » October 14, 2019, 10:12 am

Deterrent V motivation
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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by TJ » October 15, 2019, 12:10 pm

This very long presentation of investigative journalism on political corruption was IMO eyeopening and entertaining.
Maybe you might find it worth while.

Ukraine: The Democrats' Russia
https://youtu.be/kuvfYE7ZdL0

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Mosquito » October 15, 2019, 3:22 pm

TJ wrote:
October 15, 2019, 12:10 pm
This very long presentation of investigative journalism on political corruption was IMO eyeopening and entertaining.
Maybe you might find it worth while.

Ukraine: The Democrats' Russia
https://youtu.be/kuvfYE7ZdL0

1. Didn't watch the entire video, but skipped thru the key points:
* Did not sign up for the 20.00 Promo to BlazeTV.com, liked that you have to sit for 5 minutes watching the
screen with this promo.
2. Most of his defense/attacks came from the trial info from the removed Ukrainian prosecutor, all of which would
be standard defense statements of an accused / fired / quilty person.
3. Funny, he actually starts with... this doesn't involve Biden and his son, but then he goes into the Biden's 1B
requested firing of the prosecutor. If you do some fact checking, there was nothing wrong with the 1B
requested firing of the prosecutor. EU, UK and the US Govt wanted the prosecutor removed for inaction.
Facts/Timeline, do some fricking fact checking. Sorry, but it gets tiring playing kids game and rehashing clearly
non-issue events.
4. Glenn (think that's his name), indicated all this was due to only 1 phone call. Not sure.. was it the Ukrainian,
Chinese or Australia that was asked to investigate his political rival?
5. Had to laugh at this one, highlighted "American's want Transparency."
- then, release the Ukrainian phone call (full transcript).
- provide your tax returns.
- quit trying to influence/threaten witnesses.
- release campaign funding / inauguration funding documentation. yes, this is still being investigated
(both Chinese, Russian and Middle East money trail).
6. Lets try "American want Transparency and the Truth".
(add here, the listing of confirmed Trump lies while in office). sorry, not enough room available here.
7. LMAO, using Columbo as a defense.
8. Lastly he tags on Biden's son using his father's position. Will say, ethically it looks bad....not criminally.
How about checking:
- Ivanka's China deals.
- Rudy Giuliani deals (where he was working on natural gas dealings in Ukraine)
* Campaign Fund Raising from Ukraine, 2 arrested. Ruby being investigated.
- Kushner's Middle East Personal Dealings.
- 500 room Saudi purchase at Trump International, this may not be criminal.......but definitely looks bad ethically.

Oh, feel free to fact check the above.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Mosquito » October 15, 2019, 3:34 pm

Thought about this bullet:

8. Lastly he tags on Biden's son using his father's position. Will say, ethically it looks bad....not criminally.

Did the timeline and fact check again, and ethically it's not an issue. However, ethics involve perception and since it's getting so much attention (wrongly so) I'll abstain from judgement.

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Post by tamada » October 15, 2019, 5:39 pm

I wondered why that old cold war warrior John Bolton didn't last long in the current administration.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-bolt ... fiona-hill

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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by yartims » October 15, 2019, 9:23 pm

drug and money smugglers can pass parcels thru the bars and ammo and money going the other way
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Re: trumps wall not so strong

Post by GT93 » October 16, 2019, 12:16 am

Yes, that's odd. I thought Trump personally spent some time working on his wall's design.

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