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Behind Trump’s Reversal on Reopening the Country: 2 Sets of Numbers
An estimate of the number of possible deaths and polling that showed a cautious public changed, for now, the president’s approach to the coronavirus pandemic.

From The New York Times
By Peter Baker and Maggie Haberman

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President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence arriving at a coronavirus task force briefing in the Rose Garden of the White House on Monday.Credit... Photo: Al Drago for The New York Times

WASHINGTON — The numbers the health officials showed President Trump were overwhelming. With the peak of the coronavirus pandemic still weeks away, he was told, hundreds of thousands of Americans could face death if the country reopened too soon.

But there was another set of numbers that also helped persuade Mr. Trump to shift gears on Sunday and abandon his goal of restoring normal life by Easter. Political advisers described for him polling that showed that voters overwhelmingly preferred to keep containment measures in place over sending people back to work prematurely.

Those two realities — the dire threat to the country and the caution of the American public — proved decisive at a critical juncture in the response to the pandemic, his advisers said. The first of those two realities, the deadly arc of the virus, has been known for weeks even if disregarded by the president when he set his Easter target. But the second of the two upended Mr. Trump’s assumptions about the politics of the situation and restrained, for a moment at least, his eagerness to get back to business as usual.

The president’s reversal may prove to be an important pivot point in the effort to curb the pandemic, one that in the view of public health officials averted a greater catastrophe. Mr. Trump’s abrupt change of heart reflected a volatile president who has veered from one message to another, at points equating the virus to ordinary flu that will “miraculously” go away and at others declaring it an all-out war endangering the country.

His move came as additional governors took action to stop the spread of the virus. With new orders on Monday from the governors of Arizona, Maryland and Virginia, as well as the mayor of the District of Columbia, more than half of the 50 states and three out of four Americans are or will soon be under the directive to remain at home.

They took that action as the number of cases in New York climbed past 66,500 and the number of deaths surpassed 1,200, by far the most of any state. Layoffs continued apace, with Macy’s announcing it would furlough a “majority” of its 125,000 workers. Gap said it would do the same for 80,000 store employees in the United States and Canada.

In the past two days, Mr. Trump has dispensed with the assertion that the cure could be worse than the disease and circled back closer to the tenor of the warnings he has gotten from health advisers. Rather than lift the restrictions he had outlined by April 12, he extended them to April 30 and said on Monday that they “may be even toughened up a little bit,” although a national stay-at-home order like those in New York and California was “pretty unlikely, I would think, at this time.”

At Monday’s briefing, Mr. Trump recycled his line from a couple of weeks ago putting the virus ahead of the economy among his concerns. “The economy is No. 2 on my list,” he said. “First, I want to save a lot of lives.”

Indeed, he again accentuated the starkest projections given to him by public health officials, noting that more than two million Americans could have died in the absence of any measure, perhaps to set expectations so that any eventual death toll below that can be cast as a victory.

But advisers said he was struck by the political surveying that indicated that the public wanted the restrictions to continue long enough to beat back the virus for fear that letting up too soon would simply reinvigorate the outbreak.

“There’s an acknowledgment that there’s no getting ‘back to normal’ if the virus is still a threat,” said Kristen Soltis Anderson, a Republican pollster. “And for the most part, we are seeing people supportive of leaders at the state and federal level, even if there is frustration about an initially slow response. However, if there’s a rush to reopen, the virus surges and people feel like the sacrifices they’ve made so far have been for naught, I can see that changing.”

In a survey conducted by John and Jim McLaughlin, who were pollsters for Mr. Trump during the 2016 campaign, 52 percent of Americans preferred a full national shutdown requiring everyone other than those deemed essential to stay at home as opposed to 38 percent who favored universal testing and isolating only those demonstrated to be infected with the virus.

In a piece on Newsmax, the conservative website run by a friend of the president’s, that appeared the day before Mr. Trump’s reversal, the McLaughlins wrote that the sentiment for a national shutdown prevailed in every region of the country and even among those who said they could not afford to be out of work for a month or less.

A survey released by the Pew Research Center on Monday showed that roughly nine in 10 Americans believe that restrictions on international travel, cancellation of sporting and entertainment events, school closures and limits on gatherings of 10 or more people were necessary responses to the pandemic.

“One of the things that the discourse needs to help the country move forward is what are the dynamics that get you to that transition point to begin to re-engage the economy at that scale,” said David Winston, another Republican pollster. “What you’re seeing at a policy level, at a political level and at an individual level is trying to understand what all those elements are.”

The president’s swerving messages came during a period when he had no fully installed White House chief of staff to guide him and run his operation. He fired Mick Mulvaney, the acting chief of staff, on March 6 and named Representative Mark Meadows of North Carolina, a close Republican ally, to replace him. But Mr. Meadows waited more than three weeks to actually resign his House seat, making it official only at 5 p.m. Monday, and will formally start his new job on Tuesday.

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Mark Meadows, center, will formally start his job as White House chief of staff on Tuesday, after weeks of swerving messages by the president while he had no fully installed chief of staff to guide him.Credit... Photo: Al Drago for The New York Times

In the interim, Mr. Meadows has been spotted in the West Wing and has attended meetings, but he has only begun to assemble his team, and many holdovers in the White House are nervous about job security as they try to focus on the virus. Michael McKenna, the deputy legislative director, resigned under pressure last week after being accused of making an offensive statement in what some saw as a precursor to a broader shake-up.

Mr. Meadows will bring with him Ben Williamson, his congressional chief of staff, and John C. Fleming, an assistant commerce secretary and Republican former congressman from Louisiana, both of whom will serve him as senior advisers. Other new hires are expected to follow.

Mr. Trump often whipsaws back and forth as aides compete for his ear and offer conflicting advice. The president’s Easter target for reopening came after some of his advisers expressed concern about the devastating effects on the economy wreaked by the widespread closures and urged him to consider making changes to the social distancing measures.

The president’s complaint about the cure and his aspiration to pack the churches by Easter followed.

But then came troubling images from around the country, and especially New York City, where Elmhurst Hospital Center, near his childhood home in Queens, was overwhelmed with patients and where temporary hospital tents were being erected in Central Park. The images were on television and in The New York Post, which he still reads every day. As in 2017, when Mr. Trump was moved to order a surgical airstrike on Syria after seeing horrifying footage of a lethal gas attack, the images helped get him to a new place, officials said.

Mr. Trump also said he now knew people who had been hospitalized because of the coronavirus, without naming them, and seemed almost shocked that his own associates had been affected. “In one case, he’s unconscious in a coma and you say: How did that happen?” Mr. Trump said on Monday.

The larger picture fell to the public health advisers, who provided Mr. Trump with a grim prognosis in a meeting on Sunday before his announcement extending social distancing guidelines. Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Dr. Deborah L. Birx, the White House response coordinator, showed the president models of how many people across the country could be affected if more stringent measures were not maintained.

“He looked at them, he understood them, and he shook his head and said, ‘I guess we got to do it,’” Dr. Fauci said on CNN on Monday. That meeting appeared to resonate with Mr. Trump, officials said.

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and a close adviser to the president, also said soon before Mr. Trump reversed course that he was counseling the president to look at the arc of the virus. Mr. Graham said the president needed to be focused on a defensive approach to the virus in the spring, taking measures such as the ones he ultimately favored, to be prepared to combat a resurgence in the fall.

Even so, Mr. Trump has continued to paint a rosy picture about the government’s response in the face of widespread criticism. During a conference call with governors on Monday, Gov. Steve Bullock of Montana, who briefly ran for the Democratic nomination to challenge Mr. Trump this fall, asked the president about the lack of availability of testing for those who had contact with infected Americans.

“I haven’t heard about testing in weeks,” Mr. Trump insisted, according to an audiotape of the call provided to The New York Times. He added, “We’ve tested more now than any nation in the world. We’ve got these great tests and we’re coming out with a faster one this week.” And he concluded, “I haven’t heard about testing being a problem.”

During his briefing for reporters later in the day, Mr. Trump characterized the governors as praising him. “I think for the most part they were saying thank you for doing a great job,” he said.

Some Republicans saw a virtue in Mr. Trump’s reversal on reopening the country because of his credibility with his own base, which polls have shown to be somewhat less alarmed about the virus than Democrats.

“Because President Trump initially seemed anxious to open up the economy, his position delaying that should resonate with his base of voters,” said Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster. “It will probably have the impact of making those who want it opened sooner a little more patient.”


Courtesy of The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/us/p ... 359aafd15e

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Post by Kenr6583 » March 31, 2020, 6:59 pm

Yes, it is a klusterfuk here right now.

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Post by Giggle » March 31, 2020, 9:05 pm

Glad you're safely back in the US, Ken.

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Post by sometimewoodworker » March 31, 2020, 11:07 pm

The more I see from the supposed richest country in the world. From the alleged most advanced country in the world.

The more sickening I find the words and actions coming from the supposed leader

The USA is 1/5 the population of the most populous county 327M to 1.4B

But the Orange cretin is OK with and having done a great job if the numbers of dead are between 2.8 and 6 times larger in total (100,000 ~ 200,000] that is between 137 and 365 kilometres of dead people at an average of 6’

or if China had the same % death toll they would have a death toll of 780,000 not less than 35,000

How is it possible for the Orange apologists to reconcile the fact that if they do as well as China they will have no more than 9,000 deaths in total and are already at over ⅓ of that number.

Yes you will be winning soon
Yes you will be sick of winning

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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Post by GT93 » April 1, 2020, 12:04 am

The US doesn't look too safe to me. It's extraordinary how a politician as grossly incompetent as Trump can still be in office.

The Trump Coronavirus press conferences are shocking displays of how dysfunctional American politics has become. Trump's continuous need for praise is pathetic. Numerous thugs such as Putin and Kim Jong-un have taken advantage of that.

Hopefully the next American president is an adult and will be elected to office later this year.

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Post by Kenr6583 » April 1, 2020, 12:35 am

Giggle wrote:
March 31, 2020, 9:05 pm
Glad you're safely back in the US, Ken.
Thank you sir, but as it turns out I think I was safer where I was at. Over 500 COVID cases in the Houston area alone. Work for the Post Office as a letter carrier, still have to be out there every day. It's a ghost town out here in Pasadena.

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Post by sometimewoodworker » April 1, 2020, 12:50 am

Kenr6583 wrote:
April 1, 2020, 12:35 am
Giggle wrote:
March 31, 2020, 9:05 pm
Glad you're safely back in the US, Ken.
Thank you sir, but as it turns out I think I was safer where I was at. Over 500 COVID cases in the Houston area alone. Work for the Post Office as a letter carrier, still have to be out there every day. It's a ghost town out here in Pasadena.
I am extremely sad to say that yes most likely the richest country is probably the most dangerous (chance of death from virus) country

That while Thailand is known for many, not good things, it could be orders of magnitude better than the US in the chances of not becoming dead.
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Post by Kenr6583 » April 1, 2020, 3:17 am

Well make that 966 cases now in Houston.

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Post by Giggle » April 1, 2020, 7:02 am

sometimewoodworker wrote:
April 1, 2020, 12:50 am
the richest country
You forgot best-looking and smartest. Wiggle, worm.

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Post by semperfiguy » April 1, 2020, 8:36 am

Kenr6583 wrote:
April 1, 2020, 12:35 am
Giggle wrote:
March 31, 2020, 9:05 pm
Glad you're safely back in the US, Ken.
Thank you sir, but as it turns out I think I was safer where I was at. Over 500 COVID cases in the Houston area alone. Work for the Post Office as a letter carrier, still have to be out there every day. It's a ghost town out here in Pasadena.
Years ago when I lived in Houston I took one of my girlfriends shopping in the Galleria Mall. When we returned to the parking garage we started a little kissy-facing in the car and things got pretty heated. She asked me to kiss her where it smells, so I took her to Pasadena!

Welcome back home Kenr. I know you're happier being back closer to your President!
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Post by Drunk Monkey » April 1, 2020, 8:42 am

semperfiguy wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:36 am
Kenr6583 wrote:
April 1, 2020, 12:35 am
Giggle wrote:
March 31, 2020, 9:05 pm
Glad you're safely back in the US, Ken.
Thank you sir, but as it turns out I think I was safer where I was at. Over 500 COVID cases in the Houston area alone. Work for the Post Office as a letter carrier, still have to be out there every day. It's a ghost town out here in Pasadena.
Years ago when I lived in Houston I took one of my girlfriends shopping in the Galleria Mall. When we returned to the parking garage we started a little kissy-facing in the car and things got pretty heated. She asked me to kiss her where it smells, so I took her to Pasadena!

Welcome back home Kenr. I know you're happier being back closer to your President!
Im shocked :shock: .. didnt know Pasadena smells :lol: :lol: twinned with Grimsby by the sound of it ??
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Post by semperfiguy » April 1, 2020, 8:45 am

Drunk Monkey wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:42 am
semperfiguy wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:36 am
Kenr6583 wrote:
April 1, 2020, 12:35 am
Giggle wrote:
March 31, 2020, 9:05 pm
Glad you're safely back in the US, Ken.
Thank you sir, but as it turns out I think I was safer where I was at. Over 500 COVID cases in the Houston area alone. Work for the Post Office as a letter carrier, still have to be out there every day. It's a ghost town out here in Pasadena.
Years ago when I lived in Houston I took one of my girlfriends shopping in the Galleria Mall. When we returned to the parking garage we started a little kissy-facing in the car and things got pretty heated. She asked me to kiss her where it smells, so I took her to Pasadena!

Welcome back home Kenr. I know you're happier being back closer to your President!
Im shocked :shock: .. didnt know Pasadena smells :lol: :lol: twinned with Grimsby by the sound of it ??
Petrochemical plants everywhere and the smell is atrocious!
Colossians 2:8-10...See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For in HIM dwells all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily; and you are complete in HIM, who is the head of all principality and power.

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Post by tamada » April 1, 2020, 10:01 am

semperfiguy wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:45 am
Drunk Monkey wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:42 am
semperfiguy wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:36 am
Kenr6583 wrote:
April 1, 2020, 12:35 am
Giggle wrote:
March 31, 2020, 9:05 pm
Glad you're safely back in the US, Ken.
Thank you sir, but as it turns out I think I was safer where I was at. Over 500 COVID cases in the Houston area alone. Work for the Post Office as a letter carrier, still have to be out there every day. It's a ghost town out here in Pasadena.
Years ago when I lived in Houston I took one of my girlfriends shopping in the Galleria Mall. When we returned to the parking garage we started a little kissy-facing in the car and things got pretty heated. She asked me to kiss her where it smells, so I took her to Pasadena!

Welcome back home Kenr. I know you're happier being back closer to your President!
Im shocked :shock: .. didnt know Pasadena smells :lol: :lol: twinned with Grimsby by the sound of it ??
Petrochemical plants everywhere and the smell is atrocious!
Too funny SFG... thanks for that.

Yes DM, Pasadena is truly minging but more like farts than fish.

Stay safe letter carrier Ken. My lawyer buddy is a volunteer fireman on the other side of town from you and his crew are entering the homes of upwards of four Covid-19 +ve cases each day.

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Post by Kenr6583 » April 1, 2020, 1:13 pm

semperfiguy wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:36 am
Kenr6583 wrote:
April 1, 2020, 12:35 am
Giggle wrote:
March 31, 2020, 9:05 pm
Glad you're safely back in the US, Ken.
Thank you sir, but as it turns out I think I was safer where I was at. Over 500 COVID cases in the Houston area alone. Work for the Post Office as a letter carrier, still have to be out there every day. It's a ghost town out here in Pasadena.
Years ago when I lived in Houston I took one of my girlfriends shopping in the Galleria Mall. When we returned to the parking garage we started a little kissy-facing in the car and things got pretty heated. She asked me to kiss her where it smells, so I took her to Pasadena!

Welcome back home Kenr. I know you're happier being back closer to your President!
LOL. I wouldn't go that far. One more year and I'm out of here for good.

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Post by Kenr6583 » April 1, 2020, 2:49 pm

tamada wrote:
April 1, 2020, 10:01 am
semperfiguy wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:45 am
Drunk Monkey wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:42 am
semperfiguy wrote:
April 1, 2020, 8:36 am
Kenr6583 wrote:
April 1, 2020, 12:35 am
Giggle wrote:
March 31, 2020, 9:05 pm
Glad you're safely back in the US, Ken.
Thank you sir, but as it turns out I think I was safer where I was at. Over 500 COVID cases in the Houston area alone. Work for the Post Office as a letter carrier, still have to be out there every day. It's a ghost town out here in Pasadena.
Years ago when I lived in Houston I took one of my girlfriends shopping in the Galleria Mall. When we returned to the parking garage we started a little kissy-facing in the car and things got pretty heated. She asked me to kiss her where it smells, so I took her to Pasadena!

Welcome back home Kenr. I know you're happier being back closer to your President!
Im shocked :shock: .. didnt know Pasadena smells :lol: :lol: twinned with Grimsby by the sound of it ??
Petrochemical plants everywhere and the smell is atrocious!
Too funny SFG... thanks for that.

Yes DM, Pasadena is truly minging but more like farts than fish.

Stay safe letter carrier Ken. My lawyer buddy is a volunteer fireman on the other side of town from you and his crew are entering the homes of upwards of four Covid-19 +ve cases each day.
Thank you. Last I heard there were 19 cases in this area. Kudos to your buddy, those guys are the real bad asses.

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Post by chopperjoey » April 1, 2020, 6:08 pm

Trump just rolled backed emision standards for vehicles, cars can be giant polluters again.
Climate change, science, pollution, its all a "HOAX" for this president.
Usa rich country. meh, how about dumb country. There is more environmental progres in Asia than in the usa. Thailand succesfully banned plastic bags. The usa? meh, its all a hoax.

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Post by Kenr6583 » April 2, 2020, 1:16 am

I've never heard the term "hoax" or "fake" or "witch-hunt" used so much in my entire life as I have these past 3+ years.

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Post by Sateeb » April 2, 2020, 5:38 am

Giggle wrote:
April 1, 2020, 7:02 am
sometimewoodworker wrote:
April 1, 2020, 12:50 am
the richest country
You forgot best-looking and smartest. Wiggle, worm.
That should be in the humour topic.

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