lol I'm not sure that's enough to save it, economically they're in dire trouble and there's a few countries so sick of the immigration they are quite likely to also vote themselves out, time will tell I guess.

Swedish election results are due in soon

I'm waiting for the result Chuchi, these could be VERY telling times...

Sweden's Social Democrat Party has worst performance in a century -- not since 1908.

“Sweden, the homeland of multiculturalism and the model of the left, has finally decided to change after years of rampant immigration." - Matteo Savini, Italian Deputy Prime Minister

Apparently, Citizens in many European countries want to preserve their borders, their heritage and their societies.

According to News/Europe

"Sweden faces hung parliament as far right makes gains

That gave the centre-left 144 seats in the 349-seat parliament against 142 for the Alliance, suggesting weeks of uncertainty before a workable government can be formed.

The ruling Social Democrats remained the biggest party with 40.6 percent of votes, marginally ahead of the centre-right Alliance, which garnered 40.3 percent in the polls, results showed after most votes were counted on Monday"

So !9% is up for grabs with...........?

So one of these two may have to join and co exist with..............to get their 50%.

Not much gap between the two main players , I wonder how close their political views are.

They may have to do a GERMANY ?????

pipoz4444

pipoz4444 wrote: ↑

September 10, 2018, 9:39 pm

According to News/Europe

"Sweden faces hung parliament as far right makes gains

That gave the centre-left 144 seats in the 349-seat parliament against 142 for the Alliance, suggesting weeks of uncertainty before a workable government can be formed.

The ruling Social Democrats remained the biggest party with 40.6 percent of votes, marginally ahead of the centre-right Alliance, which garnered 40.3 percent in the polls, results showed after most votes were counted on Monday"

So !9% is up for grabs with...........?

So one of these two may have to join and co exist with..............to get their 50%.

Not much gap between the two main players , I wonder how close their political views are.

They may have to do a GERMANY ?????

pipoz4444

Remember they predicted weeks of uncertainty when May shot herself in the foot with her mis-called UK election. Although it took the best part of 10 days for the devil is in the details to be sorted out, it was pretty much a given that she was shacking up with the DUP within a few days of the Tories election debacle.

Is there anything like the DUP that either the Social Democrats or the Alliance can do a deal with similar to May's unholy alliance? Looking at the following, anything that has 'Left'. 'Liberals' and 'Christian' in their moniker gives me the shudders. Maybe it's down to the always safe Greens to be bridesmaid but never a bride again? But for safety in numbers, it's got to be the Center, no? My tip is for the Social Dems to get it together quicker. The Alliance is already a coalition and they always say that two's a party but three's a crowd.

tamada wrote: ↑

September 10, 2018, 10:59 pm

pipoz4444 wrote: ↑

September 10, 2018, 9:39 pm

According to News/Europe

"Sweden faces hung parliament as far right makes gains

That gave the centre-left 144 seats in the 349-seat parliament against 142 for the Alliance, suggesting weeks of uncertainty before a workable government can be formed.

The ruling Social Democrats remained the biggest party with 40.6 percent of votes, marginally ahead of the centre-right Alliance, which garnered 40.3 percent in the polls, results showed after most votes were counted on Monday"

So !9% is up for grabs with...........?

So one of these two may have to join and co exist with..............to get their 50%.

Not much gap between the two main players , I wonder how close their political views are.

They may have to do a GERMANY ?????

pipoz4444

Remember they predicted weeks of uncertainty when May shot herself in the foot with her mis-called UK election. Although it took the best part of 10 days for the devil is in the details to be sorted out, it was pretty much a given that she was shacking up with the DUP within a few days of the Tories election debacle.

Is there anything like the DUP that either the Social Democrats or the Alliance can do a deal with similar to May's unholy alliance? Looking at the following, anything that has 'Left'. 'Liberals' and 'Christian' in their moniker gives me the shudders. Maybe it's down to the always safe Greens to be bridesmaid but never a bride again? But for safety in numbers, it's got to be the Center, no? My tip is for the Social Dems to get it together quicker. The Alliance is already a coalition and they always say that two's a party but three's a crowd.

swedelect18.jpg

The centrist liberals backed up by the hard left of Sweden will carry on regardless ignoring the growing discontent and concerns with a large proportion of their public ,which in the end creates even more division .
The crazy thing is the very principal of the EU parliament with the use of proportional representation system ( every vote/citizen counts) could in the end be their undoing.Its the EU elections next year ,you could have a situation where more seats are held by anti Eu parties as it’s the only place where these people have a voice . Unless of course the centrist liberals backed up by the hard left decide it’s time to change the voting system :-"

Getting back to the topic, since the EU have unilaterally declared the Chequers deal as unacceptable, maybe, like some major banks of yore, they consider that collectively, they are just too big to fail?

They could arguably counter TM's demands for a constructive critique of Chequers by saying their rather anonymous 'no' is because it's not their business. Since it's the UK that wants freedom, it's up to the UK to work up a definitive business exit plan, no? However, if the UK's imminent departure was as insignificant to the EU as their Salzburg rejection suggests, does anyone wonder if there is anyone in the EU's chart room actually plotting a collision-avoidance course despite the various 'captains' of Barnier, Junker, Tusk, Verhofstadt, Merkel and Macron periodically going up to the bridge to make rather cosmetic steering adjustments... or stir ---- to deflect from flagging home popularity as the case may be?

when the UKs payments cease they will all be squabbling about filling the gap and the whole edifice will collapse ,its built on easy money spending

yartims wrote: ↑

September 22, 2018, 2:38 pm

when the UKs payments cease they will all be squabbling about filling the gap and the whole edifice will collapse ,its built on easy money spending

Got a lot to do with it. They haven't saved for a rainy day.

Not great news for Merkel, she been under pressure for a while because of her party underperforming in elections, could this be the final nail in her political coffin? Interestingly and perhaps worryingly the right wing AfD did much better than expected.

Further pressure for Merkel after Bavaria allies CSU lose majority to far-right and green parties
http://news.sky.com/story/further-press ... s-11526225

What is this preoccupation by the media of labelling anyone who does not have left leaning views as 'far right'. The ressurgence of nationalist sentiment has been fuelled by uncontrolled mass immigration of people who quite simply refuse to integrate and are set on a course to recreate the hell holes they claim to flee from. To call people far right when all they are seeking is to preserve their ways of life , is just the way the leftwing in Europe and increasingly in US seek to demonise all who disagree with them.

joudon wrote: ↑

October 16, 2018, 7:32 am

... The ressurgence of nationalist sentiment has been fuelled by uncontrolled mass immigration of people who quite simply refuse to integrate and are set on a course to recreate the hell holes they claim to flee from. ...

And here's where their own recycled rhetoric continues to get the extreme right all riled up. Since MOST of the recent influx of economic refugees from Sub-Saharan Africa and certain middle-east war zones haven't even been granted any form of permanent domicile in any significant numbers in any particular country where their alleged refusal to integrate can be seen, then it's simply more, groundless nationalist hate arguments without substance.

...as usual.

vincemunday wrote: ↑

October 15, 2018, 7:42 pm

Not great news for Merkel, she been under pressure for a while because of her party underperforming in elections, could this be the final nail in her political coffin? Interestingly and perhaps worryingly the right wing AfD did much better than expected.

Further pressure for Merkel after Bavaria allies CSU lose majority to far-right and green parties
http://news.sky.com/story/further-press ... s-11526225

Has Merkel dodged her last bullet? More on this with a final, insightful observation on what is keeping the same ---- from happening in the UK.

"But tonight’s result also points to something broader. The CSU used to be the epitome of what Germans call “Volksparteien”, or “people’s parties”. These giant, big-tent, centre-right or centre-left forces used to have something approaching a monopoly on the politics of most Western European countries. But in most, that monopoly is disintegrating. The Gaullists and Socialists are losing their relevance in France while the far right, far left and radical centre surge. In the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and Italy the old Christian democrats and socialists have been diminished by more vital forces on the right, left and centre. In Greece and Austria the centre-right stumbles on, but social democrats are in crisis. In Germany support for the CDU and the SPD is falling almost across the board (with a few intriguing regional exceptions), while the Greens and AfD are rising. Only in Britain are the two traditional parties still strong, but they only have their country’s profoundly distorting electoral system to thank."

https://www.economist.com/kaffeeklatsch ... since-1950?

If there's going to be a Brexit deal, isn't Merkel the key player? If May had Merkel on board, that would almost be half the battle. Even if a domestically struggling politician, internationally the German Chancellor has a huge influence in Europe.

I think she's the key figure on Brexit. In all the circumstances I think she's arguably even more important than the British Prime Minister. And that's one reason so many Britons wanted out - a loss of sovereignty.

But like a lot of long-term EU leaders, her standing on her home-front pales in comparison to her global facade. Even the relative noob Macron already has a mountain of woe to climb on his domestic agenda. They may deflect and make much of May's fractured leadership of the Tories but their own sand castles are perilously close to their own incoming tide. I just wish that the odious piece of federalist phlegm Verhofstadt would get taken away on a swift ebb tide.

The EU isn't about to openly tout one EU member state's leadership quality above any other or the one to rally round and promote even when their own raison d'être is being challenged so profoundly. That just wouldn't be cricket.

...or Pétanque.

I’m not sure Merkel’s opinion counts as much as it used to, Verhofstadt, Tusk and even the bedraggled drunkard Junker carry more weight these days and as Tam says, Macron puffs his chest up and does a bit of shouty politics hoping to bolster his ratings back home but the French aren’t falling for it any more than the Germans are with Merkel, the politicians from the Eastern states are appealing more to their voters with their anti immigration and stand alone policies (be that right or wrong) and the political scene Europe wide is shifting to the right, particularly in Germany it would seem where the far right wing AfD are gaining popularity much quicker than anyone expected. Most of the parties that are gaining popularity also happen to be Eurosceptics, I think the EU has an uphill struggle politically and economically because as countries like the U.K. leave the gravy train will have less money to spend keeping it all together.

Many countries within Europe will suffer the cost of brexit .
Im not just talking about the financial hole that will be left post brexit , without our 20% of budget contribution .
Trade will be effected just as much in Europe as it will by the U K
The difference is whilst we will be able to negotiate trade deals from around the world to cover our loses to a large degree, E U countries will not unless it is sanctioned by some faceless buerocrat in Brussels.

All of what you say is 100% correct saint, however, I don’t see trade being affected one way or the other to be honest, this is all a lot of bluster, we will still want Bavarian cars and French wine and they will still want our beef etc, nothing will change, the manufacturers, growers and service providers will prove to be very resilient and will find solutions BEFORE we leave the EU, They will find a way of getting the product to the customer irrespective of the bullsh*t the bureaucrats try to barter with, for example can you imagine it if the Chunnel couldn’t take passengers for a few days? It would implode!

Long term trade will be effected , to our advantage .
We will be free to do business with who ever we want .
So we will be buying more wine from Australia , South africa ect , especially when some of the tariffs forced on these countries by the E U , no longer exist for us.
As for Bavarian cars most are now produced world wide, cheaper than in Germany , so we again should benefit form a non inflated German price.