As I recollect it was done at the City Hall. We went with our landlady - a school teacher of longstanding. I had to pay for some photo-copies and I think was asked for 200 baht.

I can see of no reason why they would expect you to relinquish rights to NHS treatment in the UK, or indeed know anything about it. Also I can see no reason for them wanting to know about pension income etc, UNLESS it was to confirm you had sufficient income to support yourself here.

I don't really want to get into a long detailed discussion on this as most of the information can be found in a leaflet issued to pensioners living abroad , outside of the common market. It states quite clearly, you will no longer be eligble for further annual increases in your OAP. You may forfeit the right to further National Health benefit after residing out of the country for over 2 years. you must also notify your GP to have your name removed from his register. The rest regarding outstanding maintenance payments etc are of a consequence of recording your emmigrating .Further details can be obtained from: The Overseas Pension Dept located at Newcastle Upon Tyne.NE98 1BA
Tel: 44 191 218 7777 or fax 44 191 218 7293. They also have a website but I'm afraid I don't know the link.

Val wrote:I don't really want to get into a long detailed discussion on this as most of the information can be found in a leaflet issued to pensioners living abroad , outside of the common market. It states quite clearly, you will no longer be eligble for further annual increases in your OAP. You may forfeit the right to further National Health benefit after residing out of the country for over 2 years. you must also notify your GP to have your name removed from his register. The rest regarding outstanding maintenance payments etc are of a consequence of recording your emmigrating .Further details can be obtained from: The Overseas Pension Dept located at Newcastle Upon Tyne.NE98 1BA
Tel: 44 191 218 7777 or fax 44 191 218 7293. They also have a website but I'm afraid I don't know the link.

Re your first sentence - Agreed.

Bearing in mind the topic here was obtaining a yellow book in Thailand, regarding the rest of what you have said in the quote above, and your previous posting (about de-registering with the NHS Doctor in the UK etc) you made it sound as if that was a requirement of applying for a yellow book (tabien bahn)here in Thailand.

I was trying to make the point that, that is certainly not the case. There's no connection between them, or indeed should there be - (as far as I am aware).

Or to put it another way, the UK NHS are neither aware, nor interested in, whether I have applied for a yellow book here, anymore than I would expect the local authority here to have any knowledge of, or be interested in my status with the NHS in the UK. Nor can I conceive that they would have any right to know about my NHS status in the UK.

Maybe you know something to the contrary regarding the authorities here. If so, I apologise and stand to be corrected.

Richard if you read my first post on this subject you will see there is a requirement to obtain some documents from the home country, which I know you didn't do. However if you had done, the connection would have been apparent. It seems fairly logical that if you are signing in as a resident of one country that you must sign out of the other. We are talking residency here not citizenship.The fact that you haven't told the UK authorities of your emmigration doesn't alter your non entitlement to certain welfare benefits. You are simply still eligible by deception. I know you are in the process of moving house and as a consequence will have to change your registration anyway. Thats when you may encounter the problems.I hope not

I don't know much about the yellow book but have some questions. Is it not only a document that registers you to a house that you either own or live in permanently here in Thailand and nothing to do with being a permanent resident of Thailand? I don't think many of us here are permanent residents, but rather live here long term on temporary non immigrant visas. If that is all that it is, why would your home country or embassy be involved?

We have a one year lease on a house here in Udorn but my wife is still on her parents blue book in Loei. She can change her residency to Udorn but can she get a blue book on the rented house, then I in turn get a yellow book?

If you read my thread on "problems obtaining drivers licenses" l posted recently in the immigration section, you will see I had some issues with Immigration and had to bring my land lord there with me in person. I think a yellow book would have eliminated a lot of my problems and may be worth the hassle to get.

Keg

keg wrote:I don't know much about the yellow book but have some questions. Is it not only a document that registers you to a house that you either own or live in permanently here in Thailand and nothing to do with being a permanent resident of Thailand? I don't think many of us here are permanent residents, but rather live here long term on temporary non immigrant visas. If that is all that it is, why would your home country or embassy be involved?

We have a one year lease on a house here in Udorn but my wife is still on her parents blue book in Loei. She can change her residency to Udorn but can she get a blue book on the rented house, then I in turn get a yellow book?

If you read my thread on "problems obtaining drivers licenses" l posted recently in the immigration section, you will see I had some issues with Immigration and had to bring my land lord there with me in person. I think a yellow book would have eliminated a lot of my problems and may be worth the hassle to get.

Keg

Keg,

First of I'm not an expert on the yellow book, but I went through the procedure of obtaining one and this just my opinion.

To answer the first part of you question the yellow book has nothing to do with having permanent residence. It's an official document provided by the tesaban (city hall) showing proof of residency.

My government, embassy or home country (US) had nothing to do with it. Nor was the process difficult and there was no fee for the service. I also used it to obtain my drivers license (and after reading your post I'm glad I did).

I applied for my yellow book back in July and took about a month to process. The process took about an hour with the official asking my wife most of the questions. The only thing asked of me were my parents names. The following documentation is what I presented:

-Passport: copy of information page, visa page (Non-Imm O), and a translation of my passport information page.
-Copy of Marriage certificate (ours from US, no translation necessary)
-Copy of wife's tabien bahn (blue), including copies of our children's entry in the tabien.
-Copy of wife's ID.
-Copy of two witnesses ID (witnesses are cousins to my wife and present)

The official organized it together along with the application. Each copy provided had to be signed. I signed all that pertained to me, my wife & witnesses signed whatever pertained to them (copy of ID). Also, signatures were required on the application. That was it, tabien bahn should be ready by the end of the week. No fee mentioned, maybe when I pick up the tabien bahn.

Here's another thread on the subject:

http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/v ... php?t=5304

My understanding,You don't get a blue or yellow book with a rental.

BKKSTAN wrote:My understanding,You don't get a blue or yellow book with a rental.

During my research into this, someone had posted obtaining a yellow book while renting a house. Can't remember if it was here or TV, but I believe it can be done. As I understand it there are two choices to be listed in the YB, one as a resident and another as owner. So I don't see why as a renter you couldn't be listed at as a resident, provided the owner will cooperate in the process.

Although I asked to be listed as owner in my YB, I was listed as resident. Don't know what happen there. But it really doesn't matter to me.

Papaguido, BKKSTAN

Thanks for the responses, it sounds fairly straight forward to get but I'm afraid BKKStans understanding on renting may be right. Has anybody attempted to obtain a yellow book while renting with a long term lease?

Keg

keg wrote:Papaguido, BKKSTAN

Thanks for the responses, it sounds fairly straight forward to get but I'm afraid BKKStans understanding on renting may be right. Has anybody attempted to obtain a yellow book while renting with a long term lease?

Keg

Well I could be wrong unless someone can confirm it. I tried a search for the post on TV and couldn't find it. Anyway, best thing to do is go to city hall and inquire.

I live in Chiang Mai and I had the same experience as Arjay, just copies of my passport, a letter from immigration,my wive's blue book, a couple of photo's and no money changed hands.

keg wrote:Papaguido, BKKSTAN

Thanks for the responses, it sounds fairly straight forward to get but I'm afraid BKKStans understanding on renting may be right. Has anybody attempted to obtain a yellow book while renting with a long term lease?

Keg

My brother in law is in this situation.
He is renting a house.
He just started the procedure to get the yellow house book.
He already went to the ampreur.
It is perfectly possible to get the yellow book when you rent.
It is only more paperwork and you have to bring the owner of the house with you.
He had to bring his blue house book, copies of his ID, copies of renting contract, witnesses
My advice is let your TW call with the ampreur or go there to ask more info.
It should be legally possible.
As mentioned before in this forum, the yellow house book has nothing to do with Permanent Residence.
It is simply a "Proof" of residence.
So even when you rent, this yellow house book will only proof that you live in a rented house.
Just like when "your Thai Wife" owns the house, this yellow house book will only proof that you are resident in a house owned by your TW.
Simply make the call and check it out.

Thanks cookie,when your renter brother in law has his yellow book,we will have our answers !At least for the anmphor he dealt with!

Cookie,

Thanks Cookie and let us know how it goes. I am just a little confused, you said your brother in law was trying to get a yellow book but said he had to bring his blue book to the amphur. By this, did you mean the land lords or his wifes.

I talked to my wife about it today and she has no idea about yellow books whether we rent or not, she did not even know what a yellow book was. But concerning her and the blue book, as I mentioned before she is still in her parents blue book in Loei. She said in order for her to change to Udorn she would have to be in our land lords book as a resident and she sees no advantage in that and does not want to change. I guess if I want a yellow book my only choice would to be alone under my land lord as a resident and my wife would stay under her parents in Loei. We have had no problems so far with her being under her parents but just have to have copies of her parents book and her page when we do anything. I'm not sure how my land lord or any Thai land lords for that matter, would feel about getting involved with helping their tennants secure yellow books.

I will take the wife to the local Amphur next week and enquire about it and see what they say. You never know!

Keg

FYI,

The source of the following statement provides it's definition of the Tabien Baan. I also found the paragraph in bold to be of interest.

The Tabien Baan, or House Registration Document, is issued by the municipality. It shows who lives at a property (it is not proof of property ownership). It can be issued to residents of Thailand who:

1. buy a lease hold which is registered at the land office
2. own land through a company or buy a condo

A Tabien Baan is useful - and sometimes required - when applying for services. Either the occupant or landlord's document is accepted.

Applying for a Tabien Baan

A Tabien Baan can be applied for or updated at the local Amphur office (or Khet in Bangkok).

Resident foreigners are entitled to a Tabien Baan; the following are required:

* Passport and valid visa
* Plus:
o condo title with their name on it
o or land lease with their name on it
o or land title with company name on it (in this case all the company documents will be needed)

A Tabien Baan is issued bearing the owner's name, except in the case for foreigners when it may only have the location of the property.

On moving out of a property, the Tabien Baan should be given to the new occupants. Take it to the Amphur or Khet (in Bangkok) where an official will enter that the old occupiers have moved out and add the names of the new occupiers.

Although people may stay on the same Tabien Baan for life, it must be issued by the province in which they are resident if they wish to vote. A new Tabien Baan is always needed by the new owners after buying property.

Source:

http://bangkok.angloinfo.com/countries/ ... enbaan.asp

If I read this right,you can't get a yellow book with an ordinary 1 year rental agreemwnt!It sounds like it has to be over 3 year lease agreement that in order to be valid ,need to be registered!
OR,maybe ,if you register your regular rental lease agreement,that would qualify!
The one thing that seem for sure is,ownership is not required!
Thanks Rito!

BKKSTAN wrote:If I read this right,you can't get a yellow book with an ordinary 1 year rental agreemwnt!It sounds like it has to be over 3 year lease agreement that in order to be valid ,need to be registered!
OR,maybe ,if you register your regular rental lease agreement,that would qualify!
The one thing that seem for sure is,ownership is not required!
Thanks Rito!

Where are you reading this from (bold)

Ownership is not required by the definition in my previous post. However, the local Amphur may have there own definition and/or policy

if you built or bought or paid for you house, you own it, so make sure you get put on your house book as owner, not resident, will solve some landlord issues, as you don't have or need one. don't let anyone tell you in udon it can't be done, they are lying, that includes your wife or gf if she says it can't be done. the amphur office in udon will do it.

papaguido wrote:

BKKSTAN wrote:If I read this right,you can't get a yellow book with an ordinary 1 year rental agreemwnt!It sounds like it has to be over 3 year lease agreement that in order to be valid ,need to be registered!
OR,maybe ,if you register your regular rental lease agreement,that would qualify!
The one thing that seem for sure is,ownership is not required!
Thanks Rito!

Where are you reading this from (bold)

Ownership is not required by the definition in my previous post. However, the local Amphur may have there own definition and/or policy

I remember it from sometime in the past when I was thinking about getting 5 year lease from my landlord.I bellieve it was a posting relating to 30 year leases!

About the yellow book ,I have not seen anyone mention free hospital care.You register with the Thai n.h.s, we done this at KK hospital and Srinakarin hospital Your yellow book has 13 numbers that you need to register ,you wait about 1monthfor your n.h.s card then you can get treatment, You dont have to be married to qualify for this but you have to have the yellow book with the 13 numbers. fredro