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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by tamada » March 26, 2018, 1:36 pm

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March 17, 2018, 12:44 pm
I categorically deny that it's about 'mischaracterizing' you or that I try to show you 'in some negative way'.


You don't decide when anything is dealt with and over unless it applies only to you. :)

You can deny all you want -- categorically or any other way. The nice thing is that readers CAN READ and comprehend and see that your categorical denial is bunk.

Here's just one example.
I owned one many years ago. Sold it after having it less than a year. Found it to be a less than durable weapon and too long to use in confined spaces -- like swinging it from the back seat to the front seat and exiting. I opted instead for the Ruger Mini 14 -- shorter, easier to use in confined spaces, much more durable physically and shoots the same caliber round.


You categorically made the leap from my statement about the weapon being physically weak and unwieldy to this:
I was interested to read how you opined that the AR-15 is less portable, swinging it off the back seat, jumping out of vehicles and use in confined spaces. I thought yes, that could be a liability in a firefight in The Helmand. Then I thought about you finding a parking space in front of your favorite Target or Walmart and swinging around to grab something off the back seat... and the moment was lost. No, I'm not suggesting that you would start shooting it for the hell of it... but the concept of needing to be always alert to the risk of concentrated enemy fire while simply picking up the groceries in middle America would be really funny if it wasn't so grotesque.


If you were sincerely interested in my statement about the AR-15, as you claimed (see quote above), you could have asked why it was necessary for me to be able to perform with the weapon in that manner. Instead, that active imagination and kommando nature of yours took over and tried to categorically turn me into some wild-eyed vigilante or some goon paramilitary member -- when my role was the complete opposite. You even provided an imaginary public setting where innocent people could have been harmed by me through reckless ownership and use of a firearm.

In your eyes none of that may be negative, but you characterized your feelings about that phony, imaginary and made-up scenario as "grotesque." I guess a "grotesque" idea of something -- even if phony and made up -- isn't negative in your eyes either. Regardless, it's certainly not a positive portrayal, and it was all created through that active imagination and that kommando nature of yours.

Yeah, you can deny it all you want -- categorically and any other way. :)

You found what you thought was one of those "openings" you talk about, and then used your very active imagination to embellish it in a way that only a kommando could do.

That's just one example.

Your categorical denial is bunk, your statement is fraudulent, and readers can read the thread for themselves. You even admitted to stepping into it with both feet. So how can you categorically deny what you've admitted? That's another great leap.

And don't misunderstand me. I'm not crying about it. I'm pointing out once again the hilarity of it all and how childish, insincere and immature you and your Gaggle have been throughout this thread and some others. Some of you never got past the junior high school maturity level -- categorically.
I am immensely pleased to know that by your lengthy, detailed but ultimately circular responses to my much more succinct posts that I am renting quite considerable space in your tiny head. I guess that's where you narrow mind is such a bonus.



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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by papafarang » March 26, 2018, 2:16 pm

it was noted that the post about a teacher discharging a gun and injuring students was bypassed an ignored as it went completely against the narrative , as for the NRA being blamed, well they do support every single mass shooters right to own a gun ...maybe that's why .... Doh
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Lone Star » March 27, 2018, 10:29 am

According to Axios.com, David Hogg, the anti-gun Parkland student protester, is upset that his backpack rights are being infringed upon. Hogg is the Left's student mouthpiece for the moment and has been spending more time on CNN than in class.

Hogg is fighting back against new security programs at his high school. One of those is a requirement that backpacks must be clear, see-through only. There is no additional cost to the student. The backpacks are being provided free of charge. Metal detectors are also another consideration of the school system.

Hogg, however, is upset about this infringement on his backpack rights, telling Axios, “After we come back from Spring Break, they’re requiring us all to have clear backpacks ... it’s unnecessary. It’s embarrassing for a lot of the students.”

The irony here is remarkable. The same David Hogg who is stridently running around the country calling for further restrictions on every American’s Second Amendment RIGHT is concerned about his RIGHT to privacy.

LIB Hypocrisy never ends. To LIBs, they like to pick and choose which Rights should be respected and preserved. They also want to be the ones to decide for the rest of us.

Aside from the Hogg Hypocrisy regarding his concern for rights, he should know that anyone who walks into a government building (even a school) anywhere in the US is voluntarily giving up some privacy rights. It's even true for student lockers, etc.
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Doodoo » March 27, 2018, 10:41 am

When will you understand that no gives a sh== and you can go on and on and blah blah blah
As I have said before there should be no age limit to owning a gun, pistol, sling shot, whatever in the USA When one is conceived the Parents should be running to their local gun shop to reserve a weapon and upon the individual being born give it to him/her.
Shoot your selves hold protests get on CNN and have your 15 minutes of fame This subject has run its course and is boring
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by parrot » March 27, 2018, 11:25 am

My VFW hat is tipped to the teenage students who may be able to do what the parents of Sandy Hook and Columbine couldn't/wouldn't do. I have little doubt we'll look back on the US love affair with guns the same way we look back on the wars in Vietnam and Iraq.........and ask, how could we have been duped?

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Lone Star » March 28, 2018, 11:08 am

The freedom to assemble and protest is protected by the same Bill of Rights that guarantees a citizen the right to keep and bear arms. It is that 2nd Amendment that insures that all of the other rights remain protected.

It is a fact that Americans do not look upon the right to bear arms as an equivalent to the gut-wrenching involvement in Vietnam -- or even Iraq; and I doubt that Americans will ever look back on this time and think so. Vietnam and Iraq are perfect examples of why the 2nd Amendment is necessary. No American wants their country to be steamrolled by communism or tyrants.

There is a process for amending the Constitution. After Vietnam, Americans petitioned the government to lower the voting age to 18. It was done by Amendment. Americans also petitioned the government to end the military draft. That was also accomplished. If Americans wanted to give up their guns, that would also happen.

Those being duped are the ones who think that somehow Americans are being forced by some mysterious power to preserve their right to bear arms and keep their guns. There is no one being duped or tricked into keeping their guns. If Americans wanted an Amendment to make firearms illegal, it would happen. Not even the Democrats, who scream to the heavens with their hair on fire, have the balls to initiate the process of rescinding the 2nd Amendment. They would do so at the personal and political peril to their party.

The latest LIB rant is to lower the voting age to 16 ... while at the same time they scream that no one under 21 should own a gun -- but at 18, they can go fight wars. That's just another example of the Sewer of Hypocrisy in which LIBs live.

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by papafarang » March 28, 2018, 8:54 pm

"communism or tyrants." now that is a blast from the past. not got the memo yet ,Vietnam don't suffer from mass school shootings, and I don't think Vietnam plans to invade the USA anytime soon. don't think their wooden boats would make it :lol: anyone out there worried about commies under the bed ? :lol: :lol: :lol: as for tyrants ...well Vietnam and Iraq are a great example of countries that have been invaded by another tyrannical state.

so lets get back to teachers shooting kids in "gun class 101", can we have your opinions on safety issues of guns in class ?, the way I see it if teachers can carry guns then students need to as well .teachers are just human, they too can lose the plot.

The figures come from the union’s 2017 Educator Quality of Work Life Survey, a poll administered to almost 5,000 teachers and school staff across the country. Results suggest a sizable increase in the number of stressed educators since the poll was last conducted in 2015. In particular, 58 percent of respondents described their mental health as “not good” for at least seven of the previous 30 days. Just two years ago, that number was 34 percent.

really ? you want to give guns to people stressed out ? 58% of them emotionally unstable in the last 30 days? :shock:
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Doodoo » March 28, 2018, 9:21 pm

really ? you want to give guns to people stressed out ? 58% of them emotionally unstable in the last 30 days?

Answer YES YES YES Give them all guns let them shoot it out BUT turn off CNN so the rest of don't have to list to those news people who make God only knows what kind of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

This has been going on for decades/centuries so let them have their way. Finally a civilized country who want to do themselves in So let it be

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by papafarang » March 28, 2018, 10:17 pm

sadly Doodoo that really is the question , should we really care if American children are murdered , apparently not. because the right to have a gun overrides the right to life. they need guns because of commies , tyrants and the fact that America is so full of bad white people that they all need arming. interesting but it seems a very white past time.
and we are talking about mass shootings not gun control.

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by vlad » March 28, 2018, 11:30 pm

Who cares leave them to it i dont live there so dont give a toss.

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by outrageouscloud » March 29, 2018, 12:05 am

I think that the UK made the best decision about guns
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Post by tinpeeba » March 29, 2018, 3:23 am

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Lone Star » March 30, 2018, 7:51 am

A recent poll conducted by The Washington Post shows that 20% of Americans want to repeal the 2nd Amendment. That percentage just so happens to mirror the number of Americans who consider themselves to be Democrats/Liberals. No surprise. That percentage, on both counts, has been the same for quite a long time -- maybe more than a decade. It's not nearly enough to do what is necessary to repeal. Thirty-six states would have to ratify any such repeal. Not gonna happen.

On another note, teens involved in the anti-gun march in DC had participating numbers that were exceedingly low. It is estimated that only about 10% of the participants in the march were teens. Lots of paid LIB adult protesters -- as usual. Not really a surprise that teens didn't show up. This is also a reflection of past voting habits of young voters. Many don't show up at the polls come election time, but bitch and whine about the outcome. Politics is threaded throughout society, and many young voters just don't get it until they are over 25 or 30 years of age -- when it is more clear to them that it affects their paychecks.

And further, in the wake of all this anti-gun talk in the US, the NRA is reporting that their donations are nearly tripled and membership is soaring -- even from many non-gun owners who want gun rights preserved.

So there's been a lot of backfire and recoil (pun intended) from all of this anti-gun talk in the US.

The same ones who say that they don't care about this thread keep coming back to say they don't care. That's hilarious. There are a lot of threads in this forum that I don't care about or even open to read, but I don't go in each one to announce that I don't care. 55555

As usual, there are still some isolated instances of severe disparities in reading comprehension by certain kommandos.

At no time did I state that the US had to fear any invasion from Vietnam or Iraq, and I didn't say in my most recent posts that communism or a tyrant is an immediate threat and needs to be addressed through the 2nd Amendment.

Let's review:
Vietnam and Iraq are perfect examples of why the 2nd Amendment is necessary. No American wants their country to be steamrolled by communism or tyrants.
It was Vietnam that was steamrolled by communism and Iraq that was steamrolled by a tyrant. Hence my reference to those EXAMPLES of why the 2nd Amendment was originally included in the Bill of Rights by the Framers -- as a deterrent to any attack on America from within or outside its borders. If some readers aren't cognizant of history and have a lack of reasoning/comprehension skills, I can see where they would be confused about what I was stating. I can see that I will have to provide quite a bit more information to better qualify my statements in the future. Of course, it's nearly impossible due to the fact that kommandos aren't here to have any meaningful dialogue. They're here to scan for those "openings". :)

Then there's some chart from somewhere (no reference source) claiming 56 of 97 mass shootings were done by Whitey. That leaves 41 done by non-whites. Since Whitey makes up approximately 65-75% of the US population (that 10% range is due to the fact that many Latinos self-report as WHITE on the census forms), the percentage of Whitey mass shootings (57%) is far below the US population demographic. Since 43% of the mass shootings are done by non-whites, their participation in mass shootings is much higher than the percentages of non-whites populating the US (25-35%). So the chart -- whether true or not -- is a big yawn and doesn't provide anything to back up the idea that mass shootings are "a white past time."

It's a typical LIB knee-jerk response to want to eliminate a RIGHT from over 300 million Americans for the actions of 97 loons -- regardless of the skin pigment of the loons.

I think the kommando meant "pastime" and not "past time", but I have no way of knowing. Of course, some of the Gaggle will think it is arrogant for me to help and to teach. :)

These poor examples provided by an anti-gun poster are just two of the many reasons why the haters lose their argument when it comes to guns in America. They read things that aren't there and use information that they dig up "from somewhere" that doesn't help their argument. Then there's the wild-eyed, hair-on-fire claims by some that gun owners don't care about life. Law-abiding gun owners have guns in order to protect life. That's a fact. The vast majority of gun owners have firearms for DEFENSE, not offensive rampages. Gun ownership numbers vs shooting statistics prove it.

And by the way, the civilizations that did themselves in were the ones that allowed their leaders to deprive them of their firearms. Do your own research regarding those instances. You can start with Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin. :)

Facts and the Law always outweigh opinions and hate-driven drivel when it comes to any discussion regarding guns in America -- and it continues to be true in this thread.
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Doodoo » March 30, 2018, 8:16 am

YAWN

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by tamada » March 30, 2018, 9:31 am

Lone Star wrote:
March 30, 2018, 7:51 am
... And by the way, the civilizations that did themselves in were the ones that allowed their leaders to deprive them of their firearms. Do your own research regarding those instances. You can start with Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin. ...
When one conflates 'civilizations' with ideologies, what is there to debate?

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by BobHelm » March 30, 2018, 9:53 am

Oh dear, not the Hitler thing again..
To be clear, to say that Hitler removed arms from German citizens is a lie.
It is difficult to remove something that was already removed nearly 20 years earlier by the victorious countries of the 1st. World War.
The facts are clear. Under 2 Act of Government the Hitler regime actually increased the ability of German citizens to own arms.
Not to let facts get in the way of a good bit of rhetoric though... :D

p.s. if dictators find citizen owning firearms so threatening then why did both Saddam & Gaddafi actively encourage it, to the point of it being compulsory in Iraq ??

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Post by Lone Star » March 30, 2018, 10:05 am

BobHelm wrote:
March 30, 2018, 9:53 am
Oh dear, not the Hitler thing again..
To be clear, to say that Hitler removed arms from German citizens is a lie.
It is difficult to remove something that was already removed nearly 20 years earlier by the victorious countries of the 1st. World War.
The facts are clear. Under 2 Act of Government the Hitler regime actually increased the ability of German citizens to own arms.
Not to let facts get in the way of a good bit of rhetoric though... :D

p.s. if dictators find citizen owning firearms so threatening then why did both Saddam & Gaddafi actively encourage it, to the point of it being compulsory in Iraq ??
I never said that Hitler removed arms from German citizens.
And by the way, the civilizations that did themselves in were the ones that allowed their leaders to deprive them of their firearms. Do your own research regarding those instances. You can start with Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin.
You did your research, Bob. Very good.
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by Lone Star » March 30, 2018, 10:11 am

BobHelm wrote:
March 30, 2018, 9:53 am
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p.s. if dictators find citizen owning firearms so threatening then why did both Saddam & Gaddafi actively encourage it, to the point of it being compulsory in Iraq ??
I have never made this claim.

What I HAVE said is that American citizens want to retain their right to bear arms to prevent tyranny from their government.
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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by tamada » March 30, 2018, 2:14 pm

Awesome backpedaling there Lonely Star.

We can tell you were brought up in the circus.

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Re: Yet another school shooting in the US

Post by papafarang » March 30, 2018, 6:05 pm

" It was Vietnam that was steamrolled by communism and Iraq that was steamrolled by a tyrant"

you got some twisted view of the world, the Vietnamese wanted to be communists, it was the tyrannical American government that invaded Vietnam to stop them, and luckily failed . but not until they caused the deaths of an estimated 3,300,000 people
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as for saddam , who called him a tyrant...oh yeh the American government.

"US intelligence helped Saddam's Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks."
yeh right blaming saddam :lol:
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