Sorry got it! Page 6, the daughter is the OP's not the ex's.

bamakmak wrote:BenZona - I'm a bit confused. Earlier this week, you said that at the court hearing concerning the DVO, you won hands down and the your wife dropped all charges.

So, it's obvious that you continue to be under court-ordered supervised visits with your son. In a normal situation involving child visitation, no supervision is required.

Care to explain?

I would have thought it was quite obvious. Contact places are quite common now for visits involving young children where family violence is ALLEGED (note that word). and thats what there were... allegations now, there are"

1:Two separate court proceedings
2:One was dropped on Tuesday
3:The other one is still ongoing
4:The Court dates in two separate cases do not run one after the other

Unfortunately you cannot rush down to a second court and expect to get a court appearance at short notice. It took me almost two months to get an "emergency" date, well, the date given was two months later. it also takes time for transcripts etc to be made.

I have to be patient, and in the meantime i am more than happy to be observed with my Son. nothing bad can come of that and at least we are seeing each other. These things take time....

And hopefully you are now providing financial assistance. Or are you?

BenZona wrote:I would have thought it was quite obvious.

No, not obvious at all. I'm not sure that you mentioned anywhere previously that there were TWO separate allegations of domestic violence. Perhaps I missed it. You certainly implied that any legal issues concerning domestic violence had been dropped.

bamakmak wrote:

BenZona wrote:I would have thought it was quite obvious.

No, not obvious at all. I'm not sure that you mentioned anywhere previously that there were TWO separate allegations of domestic violence. Perhaps I missed it. You certainly implied that any legal issues concerning domestic violence had been dropped.

and they have... think about it... Ill help you again
1: DV case
2: child case
3: same allegations
3: separate dates
4: waiting

hope that helps

Sorry if I’m having difficulty in understanding why, when all legal issues concerning domestic violence have been dropped, you’re still not allowed to see you child unsupervised. Unlike yourself, I’ve never been accused of abusing a woman or a child and I’m not well versed in all the legal technicalities as you seem to be.

bamakmak wrote:Sorry if I’m having difficulty in understanding why, when all legal issues concerning domestic violence have been dropped, you’re still not allowed to see you child unsupervised. Unlike yourself, I’ve never been accused of abusing a woman or a child and I’m not well versed in all the legal technicalities as you seem to be.

Sarcastic dig noted... and discarded... in life knowledge of all things leads to a better life. I know about many things i have not experienced. Its quite sad to limit yourself in the way you claim to be limited and im afraid I cant help you.

just go back to the TV and beer mate, If half a page does not help you fathom out a pretty basic scenario, then there is no hope...
:-"

Up to now I have not taken sides in this battle but it is pretty obvious the OP doesn't take criticism lightly and is running on a very short fuse. So without even hearing the wife's side I am inclined to feel rather sorry for her .As I have said before. Don't post your domestic disputes on a public forum as you are inviting everyone reading to comment, some of which you might not like. :-"

trubrit wrote:Up to now I have not taken sides in this battle but it is pretty obvious the OP doesn't take criticism lightly and is running on a very short fuse. So without even hearing the wife's side I am inclined to feel rather sorry for her .As I have said before. Don't post your domestic disputes on a public forum as you are inviting everyone reading to comment, some of which you might not like. :-"

There is a big difference between criticism (ronan stan and a few more) and downright stupidity and pointless winding up (the other 4 or 5.. well what an i call them? "benzona?s" ;-0)

Fret ye not Truebrit, i can handle both pretty well but as for TOLERATING..well does anyone tolerate stupidity much? You are welcome to your views truebrit, it matters not who you feel sorry for, but please feel free to comment liberally on how the visa scamming is poorly done by because i post on here... a bit of a link jump but if you can manage it.........im all ears

BenZona wrote:t
There is a big difference between criticism (ronan stan and a few more) and downright stupidity and pointless winding up (the other 4 or 5.. well what an i call them? "benzona?s" ;-0)

Precisely my point., Do you not think your constant derogatory comments on posters age is downright, not only stupid but totally unnecessary, after all I would guess you to be about 30 years younger than me. Do you really claim to be more intelligent ? I think you are proving that stupidity has absolutely no connection with age .

After reading all of the venom that you’ve spewed toward your wife along with the insults and sarcasm directed to members of this forum (some of whom only mildly rebuked you), I have no doubt that you are guilty of domestic violence. If by some chance your wife’s solicitors are unable to prove that in court, it would be more a reflection of their incompetence than your character.

Some animals who, when caught in a trap, have chewed off their leg in order to escape and save their lives. I think that the fact that your wife survived living with you for as long as she did is no less heroic.

bamakmak wrote:After reading all of the venom that you’ve spewed toward your wife along with the insults and sarcasm directed to members of this forum (some of whom only mildly rebuked you), I have no doubt that you are guilty of domestic violence. If by some chance your wife’s solicitors are unable to prove that in court, it would be more a reflection of their incompetence than your character.

Some animals who, when caught in a trap, have chewed off their leg in order to escape and save their lives. I think that the fact that your wife survived living with you for as long as she did is no less heroic.

hahaha yer right, and thats why you are not a judge and probably one of the misfits i see running around Central Udon alcoholizing their lives away

think what you like mate, if it makes you feel better, bad lawyers did it for me... correctumundo, wd...how clever u are working it all out. Never mind police reports backing me up, never mind friends knowing the truth, never mind a judge telling her she is a liar, your version is reality hey?

seeing as we are about to hit page 20 i thought id recap

1: Meets wife in 2009
2: Wife visits Australia twice for about 9 months (note the lack of any mention of DV)
3: Marries wife in 2010
4: wife pregnant in late 2010
5: Perm VIsa applied for in 2011
6: Son born may 2011
7: WIfe comes to Australia on full visa July 8th (visa approved 30th June)
8: Wife vanishes Aug 24th (7 weeks after getting visa)
9: WIfe makes private DVO application Aug 26th
10: I do not see my son for two months
11: Oct, sees son for first time in two months
11: DVO withdrawn after heavy pressure in court (basically she was called a liar and a con woman)
12: Wife actually admits in court she only stayed with me for her visa
13: Wife now refuses more than once a month contact between the baby and his 12 year old sister

Whatever you think chump, this is what has happened. ANYONE considering taking on one of these professional scammers don't make the mistakes i did, (or thousands of others have) just shag em and go home (Hi Bel xx)

All the other stupid opinions don't matter at all, hot air from old men.. These are the facts, i was scammed for a visa by someone so low she actually had a baby to make it happen, then, in a fit of anger in the courtroom she admitted it.... like i said a few pages back, if you think this is ok behaviour, then you are warped too far beyond repair.

I notice you (censored before being removed my modorator) have not even commented on her refusal to let my daughter see her brother, what's wrong? too far out of your comfort zone for cheap insults? I suppose thats ok, i guess i am to blame for having another child....

I think the phrase rhymes with "clucking bell" followed by a big sigh

What happened to the first wife? When you met your present wife where you living here in Thailand or only making brief visits? I've been living here for almost 30 years been married to the same woman for over 20 have 3 sons. Knew my wife for 5 years before getting married. You seem to have done all in a matter of one year bouncing back and forth to Oz. Did your wife con you? Maybe, but where was your brain? What you, and many before you have done, would you even consider doing the same with a woman from Oz? I think the bottom line is you f--ked up and now what sympathy for your MISTAKES!! Your marriage is finished you have a son who most likely will stay with his mother and you are responseable for him financally so own up to it and get on with your life.

So every expat who lives in Udon is in a zimmer frame, is an alcholic, financially supports all of the wifes family members blah blah and is a non contributing member of society. Very ill informed judgement.
It might be a good idea for you to see a therapist to help you through your anger and personal issues and get both feet firmly planted on planet earth again. The disrespect you direct towards females and all who dissagree with your opinion is unhealthy.

coxo wrote:So every expat who lives in Udon is in a zimmer frame, is an alcholic, financially supports all of the wifes family members blah blah and is a non contributing member of society. Very ill informed judgement.
It might be a good idea for you to see a therapist to help you through your anger and personal issues and get both feet firmly planted on planet earth again. The disrespect you direct towards females and all who dissagree with your opinion is unhealthy.

Hear, hear. As one who does not know many of the folks participating here, I have been reluctant to say anything. I do know that some of the people who have been attacked by BenZona are quite helpful, and have done their best to help others when questions are asked.

BenZona...I do not know you, and based on your replies here, I have no wish to. Seriously, you have anger issues that need to be addressed. If what you say is true (? we really do only have YOUR side, don't we), then perhaps it is understandable to be upset and angry. However, to spew vitriol at any who plays devils advocate and asks questions that seem to disagree with your version (the only one we know), and to cast dispersions on people you do not know, definitely proves the anger management issue. If you cannot see that, then you're not as smart as you think you are.

I have no plan to say anything further in this thread. But it is about time someone spoke up and said what needed to be said. (thanks coxo) To me, anything that might have been useful about it was surpassed 50 messages or more ago.

KB (now one of the old, senile, alcoholic, gay, used expats in Udon Thani )

Let's assume for a moment that, however improbable you may think Ben's narrative is, what he is telling us actually happening.

The question that I keep asking myself is - what is motivating him to keep coming back here (after earlier closing the thread) in the face of continuous questioning, negativity, and in some cases, outright hostility?

Is he not yet confident that he has achieved the moral high ground - which on this forum at least, seems to be slipping further away with every new post he puts here?

I suspect Frankie got it right on page 18.

Well this has turned into a right handbags at dawn thread ,,,,,,,,,, its not rocket science and as simple as me frying a sausage ,,,, IMO its just best not to post private /intimate family happenings good or bad on an open forum . Benzoma i dont know you but i really hope things turn out ok and quick for you , just dont attack members for commenting in anyway on a private subject you chose to make a public discussion ,,,,,,, i personally know several of the members engged on this thread and all are decent , respectable people so i would sumise it could be a combination of your bitterness , anger and pent up stress thats makes your replies so aggressive ........ having been in a similar sutuation i hope you can understand my point .

BTW ... this thread means nothing without pictures ...... thar was alighthearted interlude from mash .

good luck and chill out if poss .

who has been dragged to court over abusing women or children ?

Benzona. That's who.

OT's off to get drunk with a pocket full of money together with another WFB. There'll be no court case over that, however. I'll give her a visa if she wants one.

OT........--------....

jackspratt wrote:Let's assume for a moment that, however improbable you may think Ben's narrative is, what he is telling us actually happening.

The question that I keep asking myself is - what is motivating him to keep coming back here (after earlier closing the thread) in the face of continuous questioning, negativity, and in some cases, outright hostility?

Is he not yet confident that he has achieved the moral high ground - which on this forum at least, seems to be slipping further away with every new post he puts here?

I suspect Frankie got it right on page 18.

To judge the emotional base of someone that is raw with pain and finds himself having salt rubbed into the wound by expats making judgements against him rather than support,is presumptous to say the least,IMO!

Let’s look at something else here. The ex’s visa is ‘Temporary Residence’. This is a two year ‘cooling off’ visa after which she will have to go to Immigration again and apply for the 5 year Permanent Resident visa during which time she will be reassessed (been there, done that).

Along with the normal proof of income, character references, medical, etc. these court appearances and this situation will come to the fore. IMHO if she is granted the new visa she obviously fulfills the requirements to become an Australian citizen and has done nothing wrong.